Talk:Stutz Bearcat

Contradictory year numbers - found with the help of dices?

The introduction says, An evolution of the company's 1911 roadster, the Bearcat name lasted from 1914 through 1934.

The "Classic Bearcat" section first also mentions 1911 as year of the Indy car the Bearcat was based upon, then states: The original Bearcat lasted from 1914 through 1917 - and two sentences later says, For example, in 1912, Stutz Bearcats won 25 of the 30 auto races they were entered in.

(1) Contradiction within this section, unless 1914=1912.

Which would mean a car managed to follow its forerunner two years before it started to exist! Vow, has the 1911 car been such an effective example that the Bearcat, existing only as of 1914, managed to travel back two years for winning races in 1912? What a miracle.

(2) Contradiction between sections: either 1917=1934, or an explanation is missing.

According to the introduction, the Bearcat name lasted till 1934, that's 17 years longer than the "Classic Bearcat" section says of the car (till 1917), or almost seven times as long (1914 to 1917 = 3 years, 1914 to 1934 = 20 years). Or slightly less than 4.5 times as long, if 1912 is correct instead of 1914 (1912 to 1917 = 5 years, 1912 to 1934 = 32 years).

Why haven't these contradictions already been recognized?

Or are the numbers correct, but the explanations so incomplete that what looks like total errors is "just" the lack of essential descriptions that has been overlooked because the author(s), due to his/her/their own knowledge of these explications, didn't miss them? Dear contributors, next time perhaps ask others with no specific knowledge for a critical comprehensibility feedback.

So, in case the numbers do apply and 1917 has actually been the end of production, then what else does "the name lasted" till 1934 mean? That cars of this brand didn't just keep nostalgic memories alive but actively drew attention by taking part in races until 1934 (quite a long post-production period) and stopped to do so precisely in '34? Or did they perhaps take part even longer, only achieving the last success in 1934? Or did the brand appear in several movies - until 1934? Or was 1934 the year of all Bearcats' total replacement as celebs' prestige top symbols on wheels by Rolls-Royces and/or Packards and/or Duesenbergs? If one of these assumptions matches the real tide of events, the article should tell that clearly.

Thanks in advance for fixing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.109.76.27 (talk) 06:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

another virtual owner of the car was the narrator Tadashi Sato in t.c. boyles "the women" novel, fwiw 88.77.178.221 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:06, 27 February 2010 (UTC).

Maybe there were not any models available for public sale until later on, and the racing Bearcats were one-offs designed and built specifically for racing only. If that is the case, then is there really an issue with the years listed? Also, if you want to have an issue with possibly incomplete information being listed, OP, then how about you complete your posts here and sign them yourself, instead of making someone else do that part for you? 32.212.102.239 (talk) 00:43, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Bearcat history.

The prototype Stutz was built and raced in the 1911 Indianapolis race. This was the foundation for the Bearcat. Productions Stutz cars (including the Bearcat) began in 1912. The classic "open" Bearcat was in production from 1912 through 1916. In 1917 the model sported an enclosed "step over" body. Production of that car lasted until 1924. The Bearcat name was not used again until the the 30s (approx 1932-34)...when the DV-32 Super Bearcat was produced. No Stutz cars were produced for 1935...whoever did the time line is mistaken. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bassetman4 (talk • contribs) 00:01, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Fictional owners

Detective Daman Rourke, main character of Penelope Williamson's books Mortal Sins and Wages of Sin, drives an undated, bright yellow, Stutz Bearcat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.105.243.23 (talk) 16:20, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

It's name-checked by Lou Reed in the first verse of Sweet Jane, the narrator saying he's riding one, though he probably meant a current (1960s) sports car, the Bearcat being a metonym for "glamorous high-end cars".83.254.151.33 (talk) 04:28, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

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Stutz/Mercer Similar

Why are the Mercer and Stutz Bearcat identical? Did Stutz rip off Mercer's design? Was there automobile copyright back then? ```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.202.81.2 (talk) 18:45, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Catchy name

One of my favorite Matchbox cars when I was a kid was a Stutz Bearcat, mostly due to the name. 32.212.102.239 (talk) 00:46, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Elvis Presley's Stutz Bearcats.

Elvis Presley was the owner of the first Stutz Bearcat sold in 1971 which in fact was a prototype. The car was promised to Frank Sinatra but Elvis convinced Stutz to sell it to him. This car was involved in a car accident on July 1st 1971 and put in storage until the 1980's. He owned 3 other Stutz Bearcats (1971, 1972 in Pearl White, 1973). The 1971 car was gifted by Elvis to his friend Elias Ghanem. The 1973 car was purchased in 1974 and was black with a red and gold interior. It was his favorite car and he appears with it on the last photograph taken of him alive. The car is on display in Memphis. All 4 cars still exist. 2001:1C03:30B:A000:7E56:AE1:420F:6D1B (talk) 14:07, 24 September 2024 (UTC)