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Reference ideas for Stockton Rush

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Stockton Rush ’84 Explores Underwater Frontiers — Next Stop: The Titanic Princeton Alumni Weekly
The Man Who Wants To Send Us To The Bottom Of The Ocean Fast Company
Stockton Rush on the Titanic Survey Expedition Elite Traveler (WP:ABOUTSELF applies)
Stockton Rush Makes His Mark With OceanGate Expeditions Market Realist
A new mission to see Titanic BBC Travel
Meet the Man Launching Private Voyages to the Titanic This Year The New Humanitarian
Beneath the surface of dreams Oceangraphic (Excerpt)
Blue Dot 155: Voyages to The Bottom Of The Sea: Stockton Rush And The Titanic North State Public Radio (Podcast - Interview starts at 3:27)
Beyond the Titanic: OceanGate’s founder contemplates future deep-sea frontiers GeekWire
Moore in the Morning - In April of 2022, Stockton Rush, CEO Ocean Gate tells Moore In The Morning about sending another group of divers to explore the Titanic Wreckage. iHeart (Podcast)
'There's nothing even close to the Titanic' Deutsche Welle
UW, local company building innovative deep-sea manned submarine University of Washington - UW News
Everett company plans to be first to offer commercial deep-sea dives to Titanic American City Business Journals - Puget Sound
Everett company sets out on deep sea mission to document the Titanic KING-TV

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I'd support a move into main space for further expansion. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:38, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bummer, I see User:Sionk has rejected submission. User:Thriley, do you support a move into main space? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:06, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I am very sure the article would survive if nominated for deletion. Thriley (talk) 18:28, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'd move the entry into main space myself, but there's a technical restriction. Hopefully someone else can moved the page over the redirect sooner than later. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:32, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Should never have been done. See WP:BLP1E. In future, please respect the outcome of AFC reviews.T v x1 23:09, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please, I'm clearly not alone in my thinking. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:10, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Neither are the people thinking it shouldn’t have been moved alone in their thinking. So that argument is pointless. Please respect the AFC process and their reviewers in future. You just din’t go and ignore an AFC decline because you don’t like it.T v x1 06:50, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You were replying to every comment on the AFC, relentlessly arguing against them. If that's respecting the AFC process, well, we have different definitions of respect. 92.22.127.50 (talk) 17:00, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

BLP1E says that each condition has to be met. As far as I can tell, the first condition is not met and therefore BLP1E cannot apply regardless of the status of the other conditions. --Super Goku V (talk) 00:53, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That’s an incorrect assessment of yours. They are all met.T v x1 06:47, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

BLP1E's 1st condition: If reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event. The 2023 Titan submersible incident is the single event, therefore sources directly about the event cannot be used. While that nullifies most sources from this year, it fails to nullify any of the fifteen sources that I added to this talk page. All of these are clearly published before 2023, with the exception of the iHeart podcast as it recently was re-published from a 2022 interview. Excluding the Elite Traveler source as well, that leaves thirteen sources about Rush that are not about the single event. The first condition does not appear to be met. --Super Goku V (talk) 11:31, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

An none of these other sources anything that remotely is an encyclopaedic achievement. All things that tens of thousands of people in this world have done. T v x1 12:45, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No good reason to delete

This is a man who plays a huge role in a now forever infamous event. This page gives information regarding him, as a Wikipedia reader and enjoyer I don’t understand why you would delete. 2A02:C7C:9807:7E00:FCBF:BF2C:B35A:DD98 (talk) 00:14, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No it doesn’t. We don’t have articles on people (in)famous for just one event.T v x1 06:48, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I mean the WP:BLP1E page has an example of a page that contradicts that claim: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hinckley_Jr. 92.22.127.50 (talk) 16:58, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Rush played a major role in an event that may very well completely reshape deep sea exploration. When people think of deep sea exploration, at least for the foreseeable future, they are going to think of this tragic event. I believe this article should remain. TheMrTropical (talk) 06:58, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing but pure hypothesis. T v x1 12:45, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It seems the wikipedia community has already decided to keep the article. Tvx1 you're beating a dead submersible, move on; your time will be better spent somewhere else. 108.162.30.114 (talk) 16:21, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t need to be lectured by ayone here.T v x1 16:32, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

People disagreeing with you isn't "lecturing", it's disagreeing. 92.22.127.50 (talk) 16:58, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fraud

The Independent here says:

"On Tuesday 20 June, it emerged that Mr Rush had been sued for fraud by a Florida couple who claimed their planned deep-sea voyage to the Titanic was repeatedly cancelled and attempts to secure a refund were ignored."

"Marc and Sharon Hagle filed a lawsuit in Orange County in February that accused CEO Stockton Rush of defrauding them of $210,258 which they paid to secure two berths on a 2018 trip to the famed North Atlantic shipwreck."

Should this be added? 205.239.40.3 (talk) 13:24, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unlicensed Engineer

Unless someone else can find Stockton Rush's engineering registration, it appears Stockton Rush was not a licensed engineer.

I propose to put the pre-fix adjective "unlicensed" in front of "American engineer" in the first section. Hr5accsaz (talk) 16:19, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unless we find a RS that says he was an unlicensed engineer, we will leave it as engineer. WikiVirusC^(talk) 16:36, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]