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mass deletion request

Jelle Verheugen (talk · contribs) today requested deletion of 12 images original uploaded by Jellobie (talk · contribs) while crediting Jelle Verheugen as author. The reason for deletion as provided by Jelle Verheugen is:

  • Photograph has been uploaded by user Jellobie without my knowledge and without my agreement. They are not licensed by me under a free license, "Jellobie" has however legally obtained the photos from me but didn't have the right to upload them, the therms in the contract between us mentios that he should mention my name when publicing my pictures BUT the contract also contains a clause that says he can't publish pictures made by me on the web. When I confronted him with this problem I urged him to delete the photographs. In good faith I trusted himwhen he said he had them deleted of this site, which I now discover he has'nt. Please have this and the other photos of user "Jellobie" deleted.

To be just, it must be said that Jellobie proposed these images for deletion 2 years ago. However, the rfds were denied (see for example: Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Oude man.jpg). As Jellobie has been inactive since 2007 and has no interwikis to other projects on his userpage, a response from him is unlikely. A few of the images in question such as File:Oude man.jpg have the name Jelle Verheugen in the EXIF author entry. So, the request seems to be credible. None of the images is in use on any project. --Túrelio (talk) 19:31, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I think we can and should delete them. Walter Siegmund (talk) 20:39, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
✓ Done, mostly by Kameraad Pjotr. --Túrelio (talk) 20:40, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Sock Muntuwandi

User:Muntuwandi is a sock of User:Wapondaponda evidence 1. They are convicted sock puppets on English Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3AWapondaponda 2. They uploaded the exact same map with the same name http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=File:Haplogroup_E.png on commons The Count of Monte Cristo (talk) 21:35, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Sock puppets have legitimate uses (please see en:WP:SOCK). However, given the experience of our sister project (en:Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Muntuwandi), I would strongly advise Muntuwandi to avoid using sock puppets or editing anonymously on Commons. Muntuwandi, please list your existing Commons sock puppets on your userpage. Walter Siegmund (talk) 16:18, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Muntuwandi and SOPHIAN

Muntuwandi and SOPHIAN have edit-warred on enwiki on en:Haplogroup_DE_(Y-DNA) and en:Genetic_history_of_Europe.[1] SOPHIAN is currently blocked on enwiki.[2] His edit to File:R1A_map.jpg was disruptive and reverted.[3] Muntuwandi repeated an upload of a copy violation (Wapondaponda is his/her acknowledged sock).[4] This is disruptive, also. Both editors are warned that patience with such behavior is very limited on Commons. I've watchlisted the talk pages of both editors. 16:59, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello,
Welcome on Commons, Commons is a independent project and its not important for the admins nor other users to know what people have done on other projects, when they act on Commons against the rules Commons administrators will take the steps needed, but we will not do anything because the editwar on En.wiki.
Best regards,
Huib talk 17:52, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
That is quite correct; I'm sorry if I gave any impression to the contrary. Walter Siegmund (talk) 19:11, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Same file?

Would an admin please have a look at Commons:Deletion requests/Image:SanchezWithCoulter-w.jpg from February 2008 and see if the image is the same image uploaded yesterday at File:Sanchez coulter.jpg by the same user? If so, it is a copyvio from Radar Magazine as explained at the Feb. 2008 deletion discussion and should be deleted again. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here @ 21:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

problem File:Bronze Soldier of Tallinn, 2007.jpg

Please see the history in picture File:Bronze Soldier of Tallinn, 2007.jpg, how we can solve that there shall be only the best resolution version. Can the some admin set picture protected whole time, thanks.--Motopark (talk) 03:14, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Revert and protected for 6 months. --Martin H. (talk) 03:34, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Allow bureaucrats to revoke user rights

Sorry for cross-posting this from the bureaucrats' noticeboard, but there's obviously nobody watching over there. Hoping to get more feedback by posting to this page. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 20:17, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi everyone, current events (desysop of Dcoetzee by Lar) made me rethink something I had wanted to propose for a long time: Bureaucrats should be allowed to remove user rights, like they are able to grant them. I understand (and fully support) that user rights changes should normally only be done by community consensus following a vote or similar, but there are cases where immediate rights changes are neccessary. However, the only people with the ability to remove user rights are stewards and those should normally not be active on the wiki where they change the rights, making it very hard for a non-involved steward to correctly and fully understand the situation and its implications (which is why they usually require a link to community consensus before changing user rights). The call should be made by people who have been trusted with such power by the community of the wiki they are working on and I think the bureaucrats user group would be the ideal group of people to do this job. Please don't misunderstand: This is not to be a heavily used feature to allow bureaucrats to desysop randomly, but is only to be used in emergencies where immediate action is required. All other user rights changes should be backed up by community consensus, just like they are now. I'm inclined to start a discussion about this on the VP, just wanted to hear your opinion first and whether you would agree to take this task. Best regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 05:13, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

This all seems to be based on "but there are cases where immediate rights changes are neccessary". What are these circumstances, have they ever occured, what irreversible damage was caused by a delay? --Tony Wills (talk) 20:34, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Those circumstances include emergencies (ie rogue admin deleting Main Page or inserting malicious javascript etc), however steward policies allow any steward to take immediate action in such cases. So that simply isn't an argument for allowing bureaucrats to revoke user rights.  — Mike.lifeguard 20:45, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
If clear and immediate right changes are needed we have stewards to do that. If it's not that clear or immediate the community should first discus it and maybe take it to meta for so a steward can do an action. So when do you think this right is needed? Multichill (talk) 21:08, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
For example a few days ago, when Lar desysopped Dcoetzee. This action has already been contested as a possible violation of the steward policy. I fail to see why we should have to go to stewards who then need to make decision regarding a project where they themselves should not be active. We don't really have a lot of bureaucrats and I don't think that giving 7 people the right to revoke user rights would pose a significant security risk. If bureaucrats have abused their power in the past, that means the community needs to be more careful about who they elect. It doesn't mean that all new bureaucrats should not be trusted by default. And in the unlikely case that a bureaucrat should really go rogue, we can still have a steward remove his flag. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 10:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
As a matter of fact it was always my opinion that the bureaucrat-right is not really something important. Granting admin-access to a user due to a vote is not really hard to do and rename user is not a crucial thing. Therefore bureaucrat-status isn't really essential. Why shoudn`t we give bureaucrats more importance? Mike`s argumentation ("however steward policies allow any steward to take immediate action in such cases") is not that convincing since they may be allowed but not able in every situation? [[ Forrester ]] 21:20, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
The "importance" comes in the form of the greater level of trust we put in their judgement, like when they have to make tough decisions in borderline RfAs. The fact that they don't need too many more technical abilities (compared to becoming an admin) doesn't diminish the importance of their role. Rocket000 (talk) 22:38, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
I'd be interested in the circumstances you envision where a steward would be allowed to do an emergency desysop but wouldn't be able to do so.  — Mike.lifeguard 02:03, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I always saw this as a technical matter only, i.e. "just the way things are". In general, I think the ability to do something and the ability to undo it should not be separated. I mean it wouldn't make sense to say: you can undelete things but not delete them. Or you can unblock people but not block them. Protect pages but not unprotect them... ok, so those aren't exactly the same, but you get my point. If we trust someone enough with the ability to create admins, why not desysop them too? Of course, their right to desysop them wouldn't change only their ability to (clear consensus would still be needed). The only purpose I can see would be to avoid having to go and ask a steward to do what needs to be done. I can't say this is or has been a problem in the past so if people are against it for any reason (abuse? I don't know), then that's enough not to change the way things are. Rocket000 (talk) 22:29, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the reason for this state of affairs is partly the possibility of abuse. I'd urge people to look at the history so they understand the current state of affairs. History can inform our current deliberations, I think.  — Mike.lifeguard 02:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Well as long as your allowing 'crats to become stewards and vice-versa you're providing quite a large loophole to this protection. ;) Rocket000 (talk) 04:10, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you're talking about. Stewards are supposedly constrained by policy, and in any case have been elected though a much more rigorous measure of community trust than bureaucrats.  — Mike.lifeguard 15:43, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Lar. Rocket000 (talk) 19:07, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

It is my opinion bureaucrats should have the ability to revoke user rights. Rocket000 pretty much sums up my views above, and the arguments against aren't persuasive enough to make me doubt why bureaucrats shouldn't have the ability to revoke user rights. They have the ability to promote users, but shouldn't be able to revoke? What's the harm giving them the ability to revoke user rights? It's just a minor thing, and this would certainly be something useful for bureaucrats, espescially when they remove inactive administrators/bureaucrats. Every right can be abused, but I don't think we should think like that. We should assume good faith. Are there any other arguments other than bureaucrats might abuse this? Implementing this feature is of benefit to the community, not the other way at all. That said, I think this should be moved to the village pump, rather than being here. This noticeboard is after all for administrator attention. — Kanonkas // talk // CCD // 19:56, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

My intention was to sometimes move this to the Village Pump. I was actually posting on the bureaucrat's noticeboard to also get some 'crat input and have now moved the discussion here, hoping that there are more 'crats watching this page. If this is all the input we get, I think we should move it to the VP. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 22:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with ChrisiPK. We should keep stuff local whenever possible IMO. –Juliancolton | Talk 20:06, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I understand the argument for keeping a bureaucrat's "powers" one-directional, but really, they way the role has evolved nearly on all the projects eliminates concerns (in my mind) of a "rogue 'crat". I say enable 'crats to remove the bits they can assign. EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:39, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

  • There was a test on enwiki to see whether it was quicker to get a crat or a steward, and it was significantly faster to get a steward. Has there ever been a time when no steward has been immediately available? Stifle (talk) 11:38, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
    • I'm not aware of any such situation - there was discussion about this on the stewards mailing list a while back, I'll see if I can dig it up and whether any of that can be shared here.  — Mike.lifeguard 19:53, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

I posted this proposal on the Village Pump now. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 13:55, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

The title of the section with the links to wikipedia pages in the left column is titled with “in wikipedia” in English. In German or French (and other languages), however, the title is “Andere Sprachen” and “autres langues”, respectively. These titles are suggesting that there are version of Commons pages in other languages. I would suggest to change the titles. Where would that have to be done? --Leyo 09:46, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

"In other languages" is the default. This is controled by MediaWiki:Otherlanguages and it's subpages (/language_code). Rocket000 (talk) 10:10, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I am not going to change anything immediately in order to allow time for disputes/discussion. --Leyo 10:18, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Looks like it was set to Wikipédia in French, but has been deleted in February 2008 (hence the default translation Autres langues). –Tryphon☂ 10:26, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
I changed MediaWiki:Otherlanguages/de now, but I am not sure what to do with the others. --Leyo 11:53, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
I've undeleted /fr and created /fi. I've also noted on MediaWiki talk:Otherlanguages a possible CSS hack to fix the capitalization issue. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 16:37, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
CSS didn't work when we were trying to change it for Category:InterProject templates either. Rocket000 (talk) 00:04, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

How come this image is blank?

Is it just my browser or something? When I view this page the image shows up blank... same thing on the Wikipedia article. [5] Night Ranger (talk) 05:57, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Shows up fine for me. Did you try clearing your browser's cache? Killiondude (talk) 06:13, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Since the URL for the image is http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Alsonsherman.jpeg, it could also be that it's getting caught by ad filters catching the '/ad/' in the filename. If so, you'll want to add an exception for Wikimedia servers in your ad filter's rule set. —LX (talk, contribs) 16:41, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Can you see this: ? If not, it's your ad filter. Rocket000 (talk) 19:26, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Category:Images with a TeX equivalent

Is there a common agreement that formulas in this category can be deleted periodically (if they are not is use anymore)? --Leyo 08:12, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, such image files should be deleted as not useful, out of scope. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 09:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Yup, but please check usage and replace remaining inclusions with the TeX formula before deleting. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 10:38, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, of course I always do that. BTW: Images in Category:Images which should use TeX still need a TeX equivalent. So, if someone likes to add some code. :-) --Leyo 15:01, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

File:Ut_Queant_Laxis.mid

Can someone make an ogg version of this? It'd be useful to have, as it's a very famous 8th century hymn. Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:36, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Here you go: File:Ut Queant Laxis.ogg. –Tryphon☂ 18:11, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! My MIDI may not be a marvel of recording, but it's better than the nothing we previously had, so =) Adam Cuerden (talk) 18:33, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

File:A-F Close up.jpg

Someone please delete this "16 year old penis". And this one and this one too. Thanks. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here 16:16, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

And especially File:AutoFellatio17.jpg, "16 yr old, performing AutoFellatio". And then have a chat with this kid that such is considered child porn via U.S. law and not allowed. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here 16:22, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
And File:Matsturbation07.jpg, "Me at age 16, Demonstration masturbation". - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here 16:24, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

As far as I am concerned "agreed" & ✓ Done. Despite any discussions around Commons can be amazingly lax at accepting questionable images that could easily lead to legal problems. Thanks --Herby talk thyme 16:29, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I noticed admin Túrelio removed some of the kid's images from categories. As an admin, I wonder why Túrelio didn't delete them? I can only assume because he/she is in Germany and it's OK there.. but all Commons admins should be aware that the servers are under U.S. jurisdiction and such images simply can not be allowed. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here 16:33, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
@ALLST✰R, please refrain from drawing or at least from publishing conclusions about me in regard to such a critical topic. Actually I would prefer the removal of your last comment (mine included). Just for the record: Personally I do regret the existance of any p*rn-like images on Commons. However, admin or not, I don't go on a deletion frenzy. Though I don't remember now why I didn't immediately propose these images for deletion, it may have been for having little spare time or for not having the nerve to fight through a deletion request. But it was surely not because I would in any way approve or welcome such images. Four months ago, I was even accused by another admin to have "mind of a pedophile or extreme puritanism repressed" for proposing for deletion the un-censored version (a "censored" version existed) of an image of a naked, fully identifiable child in order to protect his privacy. --Túrelio (talk) 19:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
I didn't draw, or publish, any conclusion about you other than that since you are in Germany, such images aren't illegal. I don't know the age of consent in Germany. I surely did not say anything regarding pedophilia or anything remotely close to it nor was I thinking it. Therefore, I will not remove my comment. Feel free to remove your own if you want. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here 21:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Peace folks. Commons has very few working admins indeed. Those of us who do (& I am not as active as I would like to be) do the best we can. Túrelio is a good & effective admin. We all move too quickly at times - I certainly do & have been rightly accused of it (tho not rightly every time). Matter closed --Herby talk thyme 08:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

BTW, someone should probably have a look at the rest of the uploads by User:Interestingme. Most of them are probably not educational and we have deleted similar images in the past. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 16:50, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
They're all unused, anyway, and the uploader's only attempt at making use of them seems to have been their abortive creation of the speedily deleted stub en:Boxer tent (which they probably intended to illustrate with File:Boxer tent.jpg, although they used the wrong filename). Any educational use these images might have seems to me very marginal at best. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 16:00, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Is 1st August going to be a problem?

Any images you'd like to migrate before midnight strikes, or is this a non issue? [[6]] --Tony Wills (talk) 00:00, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

No, this will not be a problem, the only extra part after that date is that we need to check the uploaddate before we can migrate. Huib talk 06:51, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
...which we already needed to do anyway, at least for files that are not obviously the uploader's own work, since anything uploaded in November 2008 or later is only eligible for relicensing if originally published at Commons (or at another WMF project). —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 19:00, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Got some doubts on this one

These seem questionable. Two were tagged (rightly) as copyvios & I deleted one. However the others seem to have "OTRS pending" tags - the content suggest to me that nothing will be received but I'll go for "good faith" and see if others agree with me. Thanks --Herby talk thyme 09:06, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Quite some doubts.
  • Photobucket is totally unreliable in regard to copyright. I've found some of my own images from Commons copied by different Photobucket-Users onto Photobucket without any credit to source and copyright. My conclusion: images sourced (only) to Photobucket should be deleted if there is no independent and credible proof of permission/source.
  • Several, if not most, of his images are actually edited versions of known photos by other photographer, aka derivatives. Some of them may be o.k. as being official US-Gov photos.
--Túrelio (talk) 09:39, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
File:ListofMarlboroproducts Snus.jpg matches the image on this page, which is both larger and has been there since February 2008 according to the file's last-modified date. Similarly, File:PuppetPolitics AlexJones.jpg matches this image, which is again larger and has a last-modified date in November 2008. Meanwhile, the Photobucket images appear to have been uploaded just a few minutes before the respective Commons uploads. I'm pretty sure they're all copyvios. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 16:24, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Colon in license template

Hi, can please someone visit MediaWiki talk:License --Schlurcher (talk) 18:06, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

✓ Done ... was a bit concerned about editing MediaWiki pages but seemed OK. ++Lar: t/c 21:00, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Is it the normal way, that you must edit each language template seperately? For example the german one: MediaWiki:License/de --Schlurcher (talk) 21:39, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Yes, that's just the way it is. We should also check whether this is not used anywhere else and if it is not, request this to be changed in the software itself. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 23:59, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Is there a way to see, where the MediaWiki Message is used. Or should I simply wait until someone complaines? --Schlurcher (talk) 09:02, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Naive I would suggest to add the colon after the message in the upload form, so the message could be used both ways. Or is there an alternative? Or should we revert all my proposed edits? --Schlurcher (talk) 09:33, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Can't be done. (Well, we could make the upload script do it, but that'd be huge hack—especially because not all languages use the colon—and it wouldn't work on the plain uploadform where the script isn't used.) The only correct way to resolve this is to make the server-side software use two different messages for these different purposes. Lupo 09:44, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

It seems to be used on just one of the forms where the visual impact is minor compared to the use in the section heading. Thus I wouldn't change it back. -- User:Docu at 09:46, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

It's used on all forms that do have a license drop-down menu, whether our script is used or not. You just don't see that yet because MediaWiki-messages are cached specially by the software and will update only after 24 hours on the upload form. Lupo 09:50, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I see, this is why it isn't hidden yet by the . -- User:Docu at 10:05, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Let's remove the header altogether! I know, I know... Rocket000 (talk) 19:18, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Splitting the uses of MediaWiki:License in two different messages has now been reported as bugzilla:19966. Lupo 07:06, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks --Schlurcher (talk) 07:56, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi, again. I had an idea on the colons problem. But I do not have the rigths to test it. If you use the following code in for example the german Version MediaWiki:License/de it should do the trick: 

{{#ifeq: {{NAMESPACE}}|{{ns:6}}|Lizenz|Lizenz:}}

It will use the "Lizenz" version in Namespace 6 (File) and hopefully the other version in all other cases. This would be a simple trick to use the same Template for both uses without software changes. --Schlurcher (talk) 10:28, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Upload form

User:Sémhur asked on the French-speaking VP for the update the French-speaking version of the "own work" upload form. It currently defaults to "travail personnel (own work)" when no value is given. As there's a bot currently replacing "own work" occurrences by {{Own}}, Sémhur suggests that we put it directly in the upload form. The correct page to update would seem to be MediaWiki:UploadFormOwnWorkLabel/fr. Is that correct? I don't want to break everything.

Same request for == Description == and == [[Commons:Copyright tags|Licensing]]: ==, currently replaced by == {{int:filedesc}} == and == {{int:license}} == Jastrow (Λέγετε) 18:02, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree, but not just for the French upload form. See also: MediaWiki talk:Uploadtext. --Leyo 18:12, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
If nobody replies here or there, I have to assume that everyone agrees to change it to {{Own}}. --Leyo 12:36, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

User:Coquinar

Will someone, preferably someone who speaks French, please work with User:Coquinar about categorization? I keep correcting his tagging with over-general categories, redundant supercategories, or (nonexistent) French-language categories where English-language categories exist. He keeps re-adding the categories. I don't know whether he doesn't understand, doesn't care, or what, but this is getting beyond a simple content matter. - Jmabel ! talk 19:48, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Could someone please indicate if they are picking this up? - Jmabel ! talk 03:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
It's been over 24 hours and no one has even acknowledged this request. Is this noticeboard active, or is there a different way I should get hold of an administrator? - Jmabel ! talk 02:45, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
There are much fewer active users on Commons and often it takes a few days to get a response. I speak French and I'll consult him. Dcoetzee (talk) 03:37, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! - Jmabel ! talk 18:51, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Transfer of images to Wikimedia Commons

I have a number of images stored on En.Wikipedia (copyright all mine) that I would like to transfer to Commons - is there a quick and easy way of doing this please? Roy Bateman (talk) 11:41, 9 August 2009 (UTC)


OTRS request

Can someone please check the ticket for File:Juniorscrabble Grieks.jpg. I'm sure this isn't free, but it has OTRS permission... Usually, OTRS members know what they're doing but I'm guessing the only permission they received is from the photographer. The license was (accidentally?) removed, but it was GFDL.[7] A company like Mattel agreeing to that would be quite surprising. Rocket000 (talk) 17:24, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps leave your note on the relevant noticeboard? People are usually quick to respond there. - Rjd0060 (talk) 18:37, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Wow, I had no idea that existed. Thanks. Rocket000 (talk) 05:38, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Highly unlikely to be a valid OTRS (IMO). --Herby talk thyme 12:57, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
the ticket contains permission from Mattel. Multichill (talk) 20:20, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Really? Cool. Maybe it's because it's a smaller non-US branch. Thanks. Rocket000 (talk) 05:38, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Mailinglist

Hello,

I have been walking with this idea for sometime now, we have a lot of administrators here on Commons and that will lead to discussion that will find place on Commons, this kind of discussions aren't always important for all people to read.

I would like to start a mailinglist for Commons Administrators so there can be some kind of private discussions that are visible for all administrators but not for all Commons users, this would help us in some cases where there is private information about blocking.

This kind of mailinglist already exist on nl.wiki and seems to be doing a great job there, on other projects there are this kind of lists for crats, checkusers or oversight. when I don't see objections I would like to make a bug to create a commons-admin list.

Best regards, Huib talk 22:15, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't see the need. There should be nothing private about blocking. We should be as open as we possibly can - yes, we have closed lists for checkusers and oversights but that's because the information there actually is private (or meant to be - bearing in mind your IP follows you on whatever site you go on, it's not the most private of data). Blocking in particular is a touchy issue that requires openness to the person on the receiving end of it. When there is private information, say, for an IP, we have checkusers already to deal with that. In short, this would simply be creating an obvious and unnecessary hierarchy - just because someone is not an admin does not mean they are not trusted to deal with private information, and vice versa. I simply don't see what problem it is trying to solve, but I've outlined some potential ones there. Majorly talk 22:30, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I rather think administrators on Commons do much more than only block, Commons is also a project that meets a lot of laws or other policies, asking for simple help on Commons itself can be done by starting a Deletion Request what will end up in endless discussion where a simple yes or no can do.

Commons also have trolls here, and discussion a troll in public only attracts more trolls and that will make more trolls come, on a mailinglist there can be discussion between administrator before taking any action.

I agree with what you are saying, we don't need a list for blocking matters, but when Commons administrators are editwarring or wheelwarring about a image it isn't good for the view people have about Commons administrators, about Commons about Wikimedia on the list there can be discussed between administrators before there is action on Commons, this could prevent wheelwars or public fights between administrators. Huib talk 22:41, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

If you think they do more than block, perhaps you could have mentioned some other uses for the list other than blocking. Yes, trolls exist, but I honestly doubt a mailing list will solve the issue. I strongly believe, more so than other projects, that Commons should be open to all and admins should absolutely not be considered better in any way (this should be the case everywhere, but I feel it should be particularly on Commons because of its central role in Wikimedia's projects). Why should admins only be the one to discuss what to do? Honestly, the thought of a private mailing list makes me shudder, especially for Commons. Majorly talk 22:47, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I do not see why a mailinglist would make Commons Administrators beter than other people, as far as I see it it doesn't make a admin better.

Commons is a great project but it also affects all other Wiki's a decission here on Commons can affect more than 600 wiki's, and for discussion deletion we have the Deletion Request, its complete public and other people can voice there opinion, but we have seen more than once that a deletion request ends in a wheelwar (latuff) and the news is spread all over the Wikimedia projects, we even made it into the signpost.

With the special power that Commons has we also need to be careful, People need to trust Commons to do the right stuff with there images, when we lose the trust we can close down the project because we need the other project to upload there images on Commons, when we start fighting about images that are in or out scope and it ends up in a wheelwar it is bad for the reputation on Commons, with the mailinglist I proposed we could keep this kind of fights indoor and non public, when people don't see administrators fighting in public they will not lose there trust in a project soon.

I compleet support your idea that Commons needs to be open but do we want people to see it every time administrators are fighting/discussing again about in / out scope? A Commons administrator needs to close a DR and other admins need to respect the decission, a mailinglist give administrators the option to communicate about this kind of things without making a big wheelwar or a public fight. Huib talk 22:58, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

People do need to trust Commons. And transparency helps greatly with that. Yes, I am keenly aware of the subtle trolling going on. But I am also aware, especially when it's so glaringly obvious, the other side is fueling the growing sense of conspiracy. Commons' cabal, I guess. Let's learn from other projects and not create such division between users. I've been involved in a few email discussions regarding certain issues here, and I felt very uncomfortable when I saw how it effected the wiki. Even when I agreed with them. The power it had was unsettling. And it won't solve wheelwars. Consensus can't be built that way. The whole reason there was wheel-warring in the Latuff case was precisely because of secret off-wiki communication. The admins that prefer doing things that way will continue to do so but not on any list all admins can read.
We have non-admins that help out in various areas like CT:L and DRs, users who I think have better judgment and are more trustworthy than some admins. I think everyone should see admins "fighting/discussing again about in / out scope". That is the whole point of DRs. When an admin takes part in that way (and they should), they are simply being a user. The admin part is irrelevant.
A list like this seems too public for things that should be private, and too private for things that should be public. Rocket000 (talk) 07:23, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Based on my observations on en.wiki, admins and other users make better decisions when they can observe and learn from the decision-making process of others and know that their decisions are subject to the same public review. The only times I've questioned the viability of the wiki were when editors presented decisions made in private and couldn't explain their reasoning in public when challenged. - BanyanTree 08:15, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Some other examples: CUs on Commons mail each other from time about matters. Sometimes it isn't necessary to broadcast it to the entire Checkuser-l mailing list so CC is used as a way to get the word out. Crats on Commons mail each other from time to time about matters that shouldn't be public. It's been suggested that a formal mailing list be set up for the 'crats, instead of just cc:ing everyone. I think that such a list for 'crats (and maybe for CUs) might be a good idea, actually. But I'm not sure that a list for admins is needed. There is an IRC channel, IIRC. ++Lar: t/c 22:20, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I too oppose having private discussion lists just for PR purposes, yes it can be messy having discussions out in public, but it is all about transparency of the decision making process and hence accountability. This is not some autocratic nation which covers up dissent to make the rulers look strong, and admins are not even rulers. Admins are simply people who the community has entrusted with extra tools to help them carry out basically maintenance tasks. Conduct our business in bright sunlight, sunlight is not only a good disinfectant but, IIRC from LOTR, it kills trolls stone dead :-). --Tony Wills (talk) 12:35, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Template issue

Anyone know what Template:Dated maintenance category, created July 13, 2009, is for and why it makes [[Category:{{{1}}}]] show up in the License information section such as at File:Golden Valley Minnesota deer in snow.jpg and from what I can tell, every other file linked to it? - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here 11:07, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

This template has been imported from en.wikipedia, however, I fail to see that we need this template. All categorizations of maintenance categories are handled over templates, which makes this template kinda redundant. --The Evil IP address (talk) 20:35, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
These kinda things happen when users assume Commons is just like en.wp and try to use their templates here. Sometimes they import useless stuff like this to try and get the template to work. One en template may call five or six other templates we don't have, usually users only get so far and give up. Upload bots (including any tools that assist with transferring the info) then see that we have some of those templates which causes them not to comment them out like they normally would. This why we have to be on a constant look-out for users who decide to start importing a bunch templates from another project. The unintended usage can go up pretty fast thanks to bots. Most of them leaving behind empty boxes or broken code like this. Even if some of those templates are useful, the names should be changed to prevent unwanted use. Bots used to do this for everything; you used to see things like {{!}} and {{tlx}} appear randomly on uploads when they were used in some template on the original project that we didn't have. Now there's a blacklist I guess, but there's way way too many templates to keep track off. Rocket000 (talk) 02:51, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Ok, my bot's cleaning it up. Rocket000 (talk) 03:06, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
No more links. I deleted the template as unused. Multichill (talk) 09:12, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Deleted image: Request for restore

Someone incorrectly deleted this file File:Leyabis inesdeportugal.jpg which was properly licensed by the designer and photographer who made and photographed this book cover, and the license had been sent to Commons. I want to know why this happened, and if you can restore the image or if I'll have to upload it again. Thanks in advance, -- Darwin Ahoy! 10:57, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

As of the deletion log, you added "OTRS pending" on April 2. On June 9, as of HersfoldOTRSBot still no permission had arrived at OTRS. Finally, on July 7 the image was deleted by User:Andrew c for missing permission. Obviously nothing wrong in this course of events. You should ask the rights holder if he/she has really sent a permission email to the correct addresse. By the way: the best place to ask for undeletion is Commons:Undeletion requests. --Túrelio (talk) 11:03, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

after editconflict

Hello,
I don't think its wrongly deleted, the process is that a file tagged with {{OTRS-pending}} will be deleted after a few day's if the permission isn't dealt with, the OTRS system works with volonteers and there could be a backlog that would cause that your ticket hasn't been handled yet.
I think we can do two things here now:
  • We could let it deleted and a OTRS volunteer will undelete it when the permission is archived and completed
  • We could undelete the image and tag it again for OTRS pending, so it can stay a new 15 days on Commons so the permission could be archived.
I would like more opinions in how we are going to act in this case before I take action.
Best regards,
Huib talk 11:06, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

ImageAnnotator

I've proposed globally enabling MediaWiki:Gadget-ImageAnnotator.js and have asked for comments at Commons:Village pump#New interface feature, Commons:Forum#ImageAnnotator, and at Commons:Bistro#Photo notes. Please check it out and voice your opinion. If you speak other languages and could translate the announcement to other village pumps (Spanish, Russian, ...), that'd be great, too. Lupo 11:48, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

changing User name for SUL

Can anybody change my user name to User:Tjako? I want to start a SUL account. (See that's me. Tjako van Schie (talk) 21:33, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Try Commons:Changing username. --The Evil IP address (talk) 00:59, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Photographs from Netmarine.net

I see that some people have been uploading photographs from the site http://www.netmarine.net/ recently.

I had negociated an arrangement with the owners of the site to have permission to upload photographs of some of the contributors of netmarine unto Commons under the GFDL (the list of relevant contributors is on Template:NetMarine). This permission was revocked on the 20th of October 2008.

This does not put the licence of images upload before the 20th of October 2008 into question, but makes the images uploaded after this date copyright violations. As such, such images should be deleted on sight and the uploaders warned.

Furthermore, I see that "licence migration" operations have been performed on these images. The original author did not put the images her themselves, were not warned of this migration, and probably are not aware of what this entails. As such, I strongly recommand that "migration" effects be cancelled for all relevant files. Rama (talk) 12:46, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Plaża w Śródmieściu

I feel that about 90% of images on this page are out of scope with little potential for reuse. Many have date watermark which should be removed. Should they be deleted?--Jarekt (talk) 20:09, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Definitely delete. What the heck is this anyways? Did somebody run out of space on their Flickr account? GraYoshi2x (talk) 19:44, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
I filed Commons:Deletion requests/Out of scope images by Joymaster‎ --Jarekt (talk) 12:22, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Liorek's uploads

Liorek has uploaded lots of screenshots from B/W movies and tagged them as plain {{PD-URAA}}. That doesn't make any sense, in particular since these are U.S. works. How to fix that? Lupo 15:09, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Some recent uploads rises some questions about copyrights, see for example File:Alfa Romeo G1.jpg (can be found also here http://www.italiaspeed.com/2005/events/pebble_beach/preview/alfa_romeo/alfa_romeo_g1.html) and other uploads by same user also pictures in flickr seems dubiuos, is there some specific page to discuss about dubiuos pictures? or can somebody check these... --Typ932 (talk) 20:04, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Characteristics of web harvesting, with no regard for copyright or proper attribution include no exifs; a variety of styles (some professional, some badly lighted), settings, and sizes; and an obvious copyvio that you cited. My inclination is to delete them all and block Riceburner (talk · contribs), which is, in any case, an inappropriate username (please see en:Rice burner). For future reference, please see COM:DR. Walter Siegmund (talk) 04:53, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Request Change Category name.

I have mistaken name of category. I want to ask for change Category name. How should I do?

  • Category that I hope for change. Category:Graves of Miki clan
  • I hope to want you to change to this name. Category:Graves of Kuki clan

--Corpse Reviver (talk) 16:02, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Image with unverified licensing

Someone uploaded File:Sonic+Syndicate+pic.jpg earlier and I highly doubt the licensing is accurate. Would someone look into it please? I'm not familiar with commons myself and not sure how to deal with it myself. Cheers! Rehevkor ✉ 17:07, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

en:File:Himmler Posen Speech - Extermination of the Jews excerpt, Oct 4, 1943.ogg

Could we upload this to commons? Sound recordings in Germany only maintain their copyright for 50 years. One might argue the underlying speech is somewhat copyrightable, but I don't think that, even if there's a technical copyright on Himmler's behalf, that this copyright is enforceable. Adam Cuerden (talk) 12:12, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Technically, wouldn't Poland be the source country? Or do we consider it Germany since it was Nazi-occupied at the time? I don't know, but the current license tag is wrong since it says it's a "work of the United States Federal Government" and it says not to move it to Commons since it has to be "public domain in both the country of origin and the United States". Well, a work by the US gov is PD everywhere since it has nothing to due with age, but the fact that the creator is ineligible for copyright (and I never heard of other countries claiming that US gov is eligible in their country, that would silly). Now, I'm guessing that the license tag refers only to the sound recording and not the speech itself unless Heinrich Himmler was working for the US gov at the time. Rocket000 (talk) 00:01, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
According to the current german copyright law speeches are copyrighted (§ 2, Abs. 1, Nr. 2 UrhG), copyright expires 70 years after the authors death, copyright applies for german citizen no matter a work was published abroad or in germany (§ 120, Abs. 1 UrhG). It is allowed to reproduce speeches (w:de:Öffentliche Rede (Urheberrecht)) - but not for every purpose. Therefore not free. --Martin H. (talk) 02:17, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
But don't we go by the source of the work and not the source of the author? Rocket000 (talk) 02:29, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
As I understand it, the US Government has declared all Nazi-created works are not allowed copyright in the U.S. Both Germany and Poland are in the E.U; the E.U. says that the copyright on recordings themselves (NOT the texts and such) expire 50 years after being set.
So the relevant part is Himmler's copyright - and I really can't see that being enforceable. So do you think we could allow it? (Due to the US government's declaration, Commons could not be sued anyway) Adam Cuerden (talk) 03:44, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Well our general policy is media must be PD or free in both the US and the source country, which in this case is Germany, apparently. I don't think it's good for upload. Dcoetzee (talk) 17:24, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
People do not have copyright on the way they look. Do they have copyright on speech? I do not think so. And Poznan is in Poland. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 17:35, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
As a general matter, I am uncomfortable with this politically grounded plundering of German intellectual property by the USA. I simply do not understand how it could be valid. If a work was published in Germany, German laws apply, period. Rama (talk) 17:47, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
It's valid because the US gov said it—the same ones that make copyright itself valid for the country it governs. But of course our policy goes far beyond the law. If this isn't free in the source country, then it's not allowed here. Rocket000 (talk) 15:57, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Copyright is conferred when a work is placed in a fixed form. If the speech was ever written down or recorded then a copyright exists. If it wasn't then obviously we can't upload it. However, this is the rule of the Berne convention, which wasn't in effect in Germany at the time, so more research is needed. Dcoetzee (talk) 02:58, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Rosa Rosa roxburghii var. hirtula

I someone please fix this error I've made: Rosa Rosa roxburghii var. hirtula should be Rosa roxburghii var. hirtula, but I can move it without loosing page history. Thank you! epibase (talk) 21:46, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

✓ Done Yann (talk) 23:26, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Please uprotect an image

The image File:Maynard puscifer.jpg was protected because it was being used on the enWiki mainpage. However, it's a copyvio. If you look at the requests for deletion, you'll see I and another person have tried to list it, but since the image is protected it won't accept the template. Can someone either unprotect and add the template or else delete it as the copyvio it is? Many thanks. Multixfer (talk) 07:06, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Already done per IRC request :) Huib talk 07:27, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Serious problems with bot User:Sz-iwbot

This bot has apparently not been properly tested and is tagging every image it finds remotely (as in maybe a 10% match) similar to some other image (including matches found on Commons itself with clear public domain licensing) as a possible "copyright violation". I believe it should be blocked until the creator of the bot can fix it. There have been dozens of messages left on the talk page of the bot and so far the creator has not only ignored every complaint but is continuing to run it, apparently with no changes or fixes since Sz-iwbot's creation.

Perhaps copyright violation tagging is best left to humans. GraYoshi2x (talk) 17:04, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Would an admin stop it for now? It should have an exclusion list for stereoscopic views and coat of arms. -- User:Docu at 17:12, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Busy lets wait untill the operator responds. Huib talk 17:47, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Usually on en.wiki, the de facto standard would be to first block the bot until the issues are fixed (or just indef it if that never happens). Right now all it's doing is creating problems and work for every editor to have to undo every frivolous tag, and so far I have seen absolutely nothing in the "list" it makes that is an actual copyright violation. In fact the extreme majority of tagged images are all public domain, half of which are indisputable! GraYoshi2x (talk) 23:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

This is ridiculous - blocked. The bot needs to at a minimum check file metadata/categories before looking for similar images.  — Mike.lifeguard 23:52, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

In addition could somebody do a full rollback of the bot's contribs? It would save everyone else a lot of work cleaning up the mess this bot left behind. GraYoshi2x (talk) 01:11, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Despite a few cases that could be avoided, it seems to turn up quite a lot images that need to be looked into it. http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sz-iwbot/tineye&oldid=25819681 -- User:Docu at 02:01, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, bot have stop. This bot only check similar images, human check copyvio. or only list? --shizhao (talk) 07:24, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
My suggestion:
if (image_category!="Category:Public domain" && image_category!="Category:Coats of arms" && ...? ){
    check_tinyeye(image);
}
else{
    do_nothing();//or maybe make a list, but do not tag the images
}
 — Mike.lifeguard 14:12, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
lot images in PD, is error license, not real PD.

Now: 

if image=".jpg|.gif|.png" then
    check_tinyeye(image);

else
    do_nothing()

--shizhao (talk) 06:55, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Maybe it should just list coat of arms and the panoramic views stuff and tagg all others. In any case, I think it's an important check to have, even if tineye doesn't find everything. -- User:Docu at 07:59, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Ignoring SVG won't do anything. Why not just drop the bot? I mean after all, there's a 99% false positive detection rate here and all the frivolous tagging will overwhelm most editors having to undo every edit it makes. IMO the bot should be discontinued. Technology isn't ready for this kind of stuff. GraYoshi2x (talk) 15:53, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
I wonder where you get your statistics from. I seriously doubt the false positive rate is that high. I think Docu's idea of tagging certain categories of images, and simply listing others is a good way to address the problem, and should definitely be tried before we even consider throwing the bot away. –Tryphon☂ 16:05, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Look at all of the bot's past contributions. 99% isn't an exaggeration. In fact I think we can bump that number up a point or two. Nobody wants a virus scanner with that kind of detection rate, so likewise, neither will anyone like a copyvio scanner like this on Commons. GraYoshi2x (talk) 16:23, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
I like User:Sz-iwbot/tineye page. I think bot is doing a valuable work, but I agree that we should not mark the images found as copyvios or as "need review". Some hits like this where images on other Wikipedias. I think we should let it run but change what we do with the findings. --Jarekt (talk) 19:07, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't why it has to tag the files themselves. What's wrong with just creating a list? I think some people have the wrong assumptions about the content here. A lot of it comes from somewhere else, and a lot of it is reused elsewhere. That's kinda the point. A large amount of our stuff is not user made. TinEye only search like 1% of the web but it's constantly expanding it's search. Yeah, User:Sz-iwbot/tineye is nice but not the senseless tagging. Furthermore, I don't think the owner is qualified to be checking for copyvios. Here's how well that human review works. His contribs are filled with actions like that... but this is for another thread, perhaps. Rocket000 (talk) 11:19, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Now no tag coat of arms and PD-art? --shizhao (talk) 12:57, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Pls, unblock this bot? bot also run checkimage.py--shizhao (talk) 13:01, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I have no objections to it running checkimage.py, which it was approved for. But I think there should be request made for the approval of this TinEye function. I don't believe there is a consensus for it to be running, even if coat of arms and PD-art images are excluded. I do think User:Sz-iwbot/tineye is useful and no one objects to that but tagging each image doesn't seem necessary at all. Rocket000 (talk) 18:48, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, that's definitely reasonable & the bot should be unblocked so that can happen.  — Mike.lifeguard 14:43, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
✓ Unblocked & [8]. Hopefully, it won't start doing TinEye stuff automatically now. Rocket000 (talk) 02:16, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thx --shizhao (talk) 12:32, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Question

Is it possible to change the comment of the first upload of

so that it uses "Author={{User:HAH/AuthorStamp}}" instead of my real Name? --HAH (talk) 15:38, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello,
I made some changes, could you please check it and see if this is what you mean because I'm not sure if I understood you correctly.
Best regards,
Huib talk 15:51, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
This is not really what I ment. My name is still visible in File:Wappen_Euerbach.svg#filehistory. I would like that it disappears there also. --HAH (talk) 15:56, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
That is the file history. We can't change it; we can only delete the page itself (including the file). Your name is also visible here. I'm not sure of the purpose of changing "HAH" to "User:HAH". Rocket000 (talk) 16:08, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Not renaming "HAH" (But my REAL Name !!!) to "User:HAH". Can you rename File:Ulm_Tiergarten_Hängebauchschwein.jpg to File:Ulm_Tiergarten_Hängebauchschwein_tmp.jpg and File:Wappen_Euerbach.svg to File:Wappen_Euerbach_tmp.svg. So I can upload it again with the correct comment?--HAH (talk) 16:23, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Hello,
There is no need to start screaming we are all trying to help you but we are all human and misunderstandings can happen.
I don't think its a good idea to rename those file on a temp basis, renaming means we need to global replace all uses, and when you are done it need to happen again so it would cause a lot of edits.
If I understand correctly you want your real name in the author place and your username out of the history?
Best regards,
Huib talk 16:33, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, my intention was not to scream, but to emphasize it a bit. It is not necessary to global replace all uses, because I will upload it not more than 5 minutes later again! And yes, I want to delete my real name out of the history. And thank you for your effort to help me. I really appreciate it. --HAH (talk) 16:38, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
It's my fault for misunderstanding you. I suggest reuploading them (with the same name) and we'll delete the old versions from the history for you. Rocket000 (talk) 16:53, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

edit conflict

I understand it now, but the problem is if we delete the files we will trigger a bot to remove all the images globally but I have the solution (I think):Please reupload the files under the same name (upload a newer version) and I will delete the old file from the history. That will solve the problem if I am correct :). Huib talk 16:55, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I will upload them now. --HAH (talk) 16:59, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Done. --HAH (talk) 17:04, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
I think we are done also, is this what your mend?
Rocket great team work ;)
Best regards,
Huib talk 17:06, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes, thank you very, very much. --HAH (talk) 17:07, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
You're welcome, I am glad we could help you :) Huib talk 17:12, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Man, when are we going to get that ability to delete revisions without having to do all that? It's seems so silly we can restore selectively but not delete selectively. :) Rocket000 (talk) 17:36, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
We can delete file version selective but we that will mean that his real name is still in the diff that comes with the upload :(
Attack images or vandalism can we delete selective, but it would be great to delete a diff if it contains vandalism or things like that. Huib talk 17:45, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Just a side note: you can delete images without having CommonsDelinker delink them. See m:User:CommonsDelinker#cite_note-0... Lupo 14:13, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Good to know. Thanks. Rocket000 (talk) 02:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Category for Fotothek-Data from 1580

Nearly all of the files in Category:Images from the Deutsche Fotothek, year 1580 are from a book of Georgius Agricola, Berckwerck-Buch, I have created a category for it, see Category:Berckwerck-Buch. As far as I understand this batch-editing with a commons delinker command could be done only by administrators. There are five files, that are not from Agricola, for instance File:Fotothek df tg 0004391 Astronomie ^ Komet.jpg, all with the number "0004...." - they have already a better category. So this hidden category can be deleted. (I hope I have written an understandable English - I am not to fluent in English, and I am new to the Wikimedia Commons.) Cholo Aleman (talk) 06:33, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Correction: as far as I understand now, this hidden category Category:Images from the Deutsche Fotothek, year 1580 should not be deleted Cholo Aleman (talk) 06:49, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Ich glaube, Delinker funktioniert hier nicht mehr da die Bilder bereits kategorisiert sind - leider mit Kategorien wie Category:Scans oder so. Ich könnte dir mit Autowikibrowser alle Bilder in die Berckwerck Kategorie schieben, die 5 müsstest du dann rausfiltern. --Martin H. (talk) 10:52, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
✓ Done 264 files in Category:Berckwerck-Buch, all categorized (?). --Martin H. (talk) 11:49, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
It's a shame someone moved all these images to Category:Scans. These images should probably all be moved to the relevant book categories. Multichill (talk) 08:44, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Ah, wunderbar! - die Kategorie: Fotos deutsche Fotothek aus 1580 ist doch eine temporäre und könnte weg, wenn alle Bilder sinnvoll kategorisiert sind, oder? - Das ist mir nicht klar. Cholo Aleman (talk)

Once Category:Images from the Deutsche Fotothek needing categories is empty, the temp cats will be removed. Multichill (talk) 08:44, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Spanish maps

99.226.115.81 (talk · contribs) nominated a lot of Spanish maps. This includes images previously kept and heavy usage maps. Could someone please have a look at this? Multichill (talk) 07:44, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

This anonymous IP address belongs to a Canadian ISP in Toronto. The particular editor using it regularly files deletion requests for historical maps. However these maps are perfectly acceptable on Commons, according to COM:NPOV. If he is unhappy, he could just tag the description page with {{Fact disputed}}. He also did some disruptive editing by undoing a deletion request closure, see [9]. Sv1xv (talk) 08:01, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Romanian language upload form

I have finished translating the upload form into Romanian. The resulting pages are listed under "Components" in the User:Andrei Stroe/Upload file localization page and need to be moved to the MediaWiki namespace. For this, I need help from a sysop. Thanks.—Andrei S. Talk 12:19, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Pages are not perfect. Maybe you need some more time. :) Kwj2772 (msg) 12:34, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
What exactly do I need to improve?—Andrei S. Talk 12:46, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
"Uploadtext/ro" layout is really outdated. Kwj2772 (msg) 13:44, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
You're right. I'm changing that layout. I will still ask you to please move the other translated pages from the list to the MediaWiki namespace. They contain no layout, just localized text strings (and the dropdown licenses) for the "roownwork" page. As soon as the Uploadtext/ro page is done, I will return.—Andrei S. Talk 15:07, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
OK. I finished rewriting this one, too.—Andrei S. Talk 16:16, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
✓ Moved 'em all. Thanks you for your translations, and if you discover that you mistakenly made a mistake during the editing, feel free to put {{Editprotected}} followed by your correction on the talk page, and an admin will correct it in due time. I have kept all redirects for your convenience, if you want to have them deleted, then either ask here again or put something like {{speedy|legacy redirect}} on them. --The Evil IP address (talk) 16:24, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

wish to delete

I wish to delete this picture, because the filename and -description is wrong and I uploaded a correct one. Thanks--Ticketautomat (talk) 12:30, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

✓ Done Sv1xv (talk) 12:33, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Images of books?

Is it really ok to upload images of books as "the uploaders own work", like File:Volume 1 of 2 by Travell and Simons.jpg? I have doubts about this, but I am not sure and would like to know, because otherwise the image should be deleted. 81.236.6.77 19:01, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

It depends. In this case, it is difficult to say that anything on the picture is copyrightable. It would be a copyvio if there was an image on the cover, or if the text was reproduced on the picture. --Eusebius (talk) 19:45, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
How about File:FrontDaviesColor.jpg? 81.236.6.77 19:51, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
I think the cover illustration could be copyrighted, it would need a specific permission. --Eusebius (talk) 07:40, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

User uploading coyrighted content

It appears that all images uploaded by Kaseyng53 (talk · contribs) are showing "©Copyright 2009 Money Economics. All rights reserved."

The user is showing in the uploads the source link, for example, Wachovia asset liability.jpg shows a source of the direct image link ... but the page on that site where the image is used is here, at the bottom of which is the copyright text. All other images loaded by this user from that site share the same issue.

Does each image need to be individually tagged, or can a single report here be sufficient to have these eliminated as copyright violations, or is there a different page to which I should post this concern? --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 20:51, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Just tag them with the copy-vio speedy delete tag. A friendly administrator will be around shortly and take care of them. Seems like a fairly common sort of copyvio. J.smith (talk) 22:11, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
I was hoping to avoid needing to take the time to tag all 20+ individually, as there were six sources involved, so not a simple copy-paste to all of them. But following your advice, I went ahead and tagged them all. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 22:34, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

For those suffering from CheckUsage withdrawal

As some may have noted by now, the loss of the Commons database from the Toolserver has broken a number of bots and tools, including CheckUsage. Hopefully things will start working again soon, but, given how essential CheckUsage is to many admin tasks on Commons, and given that no actual date has yet been set for reimporting the Toolserver database, I felt I should try to do something to let folks here get things done in the mean time.

Thus I present to you the Quick and dirty CheckUsage script. It's not nearly as fancy as Duesentrieb's version, but it's robust enough to keep running even if it's missing a bunch of databases. The usage should be pretty much self-explanatory, as long as you follow the instructions. Oh, and the source is here. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 23:45, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

With filenames containing spaces, it only substitutes an underscore "_" for the first space in the name - hence fails to find the file used anywhere. --Tony Wills (talk) 01:00, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
It is not so quick. I think this is more slow than Duesentrieb's version. Kwj2772 (msg) 02:25, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Works well now :-) --Tony Wills (talk) 06:35, 18 August 2009 (UTC) Ok, not so well (besides problem with multiple spaces). When giving it a list of multiple files the results are rather erratic. Seems to depend upon the order the files are listed (those on end of list more likely to be found), how many found on any wiki depends on order too?? I can't put much faith in the results :-( --Tony Wills (talk) 07:57, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
I fixed the underscore bug (*slaps forehead*). The limit of 50 results total per wiki is architectural; I could fix it, at the cost of making a few more queries, but didn't really feel a need for it when I wrote the first version,since the usual question I have when running a multi-file usage check is "are any of these files used anywhere?". In any case, the script does issue a big red warning if it bumps against the limit. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 12:51, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
It doesn't seem to work. I ran it with the input "W.E.F. Britten - Alfred, Lord Tennyson - St. Simeon Stylites.jpg‎", e.g. File:W.E.F. Britten - Alfred, Lord Tennyson - St. Simeon Stylites.jpg, a file I know is used repeatedly on en-wiki and commons, at the least. It found nothing. Adam Cuerden (talk) 13:17, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
You had some invisible Unicode characters in the title. I should probably add some filtering for those. Anyway, this link works just fine. Oh, and I fixed the 50-result limit — the counts reported in the summary should now be exact. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 13:28, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Odd. I wonder where the unicode came from: I copy pasted (though I forget from where) Adam Cuerden (talk) 14:50, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Just fine? It finds the uses on en-WP and en-WS, but also gives the following error for the Commons: "SQL connect to commonswiki failed: DBI connect('database=commonswiki_p;host=commonswiki-p.db.toolserver.org;mysql_read_default_group=client;mysql_read_default_file=/home/vyznev/.my.cnf','',...) failed: Unknown database 'commonswiki_p' at ./checkusage.pl line 146". Lupo 13:30, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
For File:Chinese character Shang oracle 目 mu4 eye.gif (input "Chinese character Shang oracle 目 mu4 eye.gif"), it does find uses, but the 目 is replaced by �›� in the result list and in the textbox. Lupo 13:37, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, that was a weird one. Fixed, I think. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 15:09, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Is it possible to get your tool as a tab on image pages? --Leyo 14:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

While Duesentrieb's tool is broken, I've temporarily updated MediaWiki:Extra-tabs.js to use mine instead. (Clear your cache if it doesn't appear for you.) If you want my version as a separate tab in addition to any others, you could add something like the following to your monobook.js (or modern.js / vector.js depending on the skin you use):
if (wgNamespaceNumber == 6) addOnloadHook(function () {
    var url = "http://toolserver.org/~vyznev/cgi-bin/checkusage.pl?files=" + encodeURIComponent(wgTitle);
    addPortletLink("p-cactions", url, "Q&D CheckUsage", "ca-qdcheckusage", "Vyznev's quick and dirty file usage checker");
});
—Ilmari Karonen (talk) 15:09, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
The first method works fine, thanks. --Leyo 16:11, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
The second method too. Thank you very much! /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 16:30, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
It looks like the copy of the Commons database on the Toolserver is working again, and the authentic and original CheckUsage™ is working again. I've reverted my changes to MediaWiki:Extra-tabs.js. Of course, anyone who wants to keep using my version is free to do so (see the code above). —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 17:48, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Special:Tags

Where can tags be defined? And where does one define how to tag an edit? Special:AbuseFilter? I'd like to set up a tag marking all Image note edits (should be possible since these all have a link to the gadget's talk page in the edit summary), but none of the existing tags listed at Special:Tags seems to fit the bill. Lupo 15:05, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe you can just define a new AbuseFilter rule using the tag you want, and it will automatically appear in the list. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 15:19, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
All right, I'll try that. Lupo 15:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Done. You may want to see the filter here. Kanonkas (talk) 15:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, but darn. I did one too, and now we have two. Special:AbuseFilter/47. Could you please merge them (mine is supposed to also catch changing or removing an image note, but yours excludes some user groups), and then delete the other that's superfluous? Lupo 15:37, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
✓ Deleted. Yup, your code is better. I had forgot about the whole "changing/removing" bits, which explains why the filter didn't include it. Kanonkas (talk) 15:43, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. And how do we get rid of the extra tag with the underscore now? (Looks like a bug in that extension...) Lupo 15:49, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Indeed. I don't think I've seen that before. Maybe we should ping Werdna about it? Kanonkas (talk) 15:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
More like a missing feature, I think. Technically, the tag has matched two edits, so it belongs in the list; getting rid of it would require an explicit tag deletion interface. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 16:06, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Still a bug. The tag description page for one also applies to the other because the MediaWiki software treats underscores and blanks identically in page names. Lupo 17:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, that does seem buggy. And, come to think of it, it could get even worse if someone were to create a tag whose name ended in "-description"... —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 17:38, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, I guess that would just give a tag descripton page ending in "-description-description". Lupo 06:53, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

File:I-470 (KS) Metric.svg

This image is exact duplicate of File:I-470 (KS).svg adn it is superflow and useless.--69.229.39.33 20:48, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

What kind of dictionary do you use? Anyway, this was all you needed to do. We'll get to it. Don't worry. Rocket000 (talk) 21:47, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Not exact duplicate, there seems to have been a little bit of an reversion war and so this one was uploaded as a separate version. --Tony Wills (talk) 23:36, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
That's why I asked what dictionary he uses. I never heard of someone using "exact" to mean "similar". Rocket000 (talk) 04:18, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Too cryptic for me, I thought that was just an uncharacteristic dig at spelling (what is superflow ;-) --Tony Wills (talk) 04:29, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

spam wtf?

I don't know if this is done locally or on Meta but I'm posting here anyway. I was working on some template stuff in my sandbox and got the following error:

“ The page you wanted to save was blocked by the spam filter. This is probably caused by a link to a blacklisted external site.

The following text is what triggered our spam filter: overflow:auto; height:

Return to User:Rocket000/Sandbox4.

”

There wasn't a single link on there. I had to stick a nowiki in there just to post this. Now besides the fact that someone screwed up and wrote a terrible filter, why can't I, being an admin, save? Rocket000 (talk) 07:00, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Had the same experience every now and then. What's most stupid in this, is that you don't get that warning when you click on Preview, but only when you click on Save, and to make it worse, you loose everything of your edit. --Túrelio (talk) 07:07, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
So this isn't anything new. No wonder I can't find any recent changes (including on Meta) that would do this. Rocket000 (talk) 07:14, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
It's meta I think or even higher up. Hopefully they won't mind my little trick :D, but this is ridiculous. It's CSS. The example given here seems to be exactly what I tripped. I can't understand why they would block everyone by default. I mean, people can use CSS legitly. What's the purpose of blocking admins? Are they worried they'll start spamming? Rocket000 (talk) 07:47, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
BTW, in case anyone was wondering what exactly I was trying to do with that CSS (which shouldn't matter), you can view the full code here (now try and save that). No "hidden" elements to hide spam in. Rocket000 (talk) 08:18, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Name change

I recently had my name changed from "Ijanderson977" to "IJA" on English Wikipedia. My name currently on Commons is "Ijanderson977", however I would like to change it to "IJA" so it will correspond with the English Wikipedia; also for the same reason as I had it changed on English Wikipedia, which was to make my name and identity more private. Where/ how to I request for my name to be changed on Wiki-Commons? Regards Ijanderson (talk) 15:09, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi. You can file a rename request here. If you need any help, I will be glad to try assisting you. Kanonkas (talk) 15:12, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Thank you very much, can you check if I have done it right please? see it here [10] Ijanderson (talk) 15:23, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Rename taken care of. --Kanonkas (talk) 15:37, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Useless PDF files?

Enja (talk · contribs) uploaded a bunch of PDF files in some other language (Spanish? Portuguese? Something else?). Can someone take a look and determine what they are for? I have a funny feeling they are worthy of deletion. Thanks. Wknight94 talk 11:32, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

These files appear to contain lists of works of es:Juan María Robles Febré and are referenced near the end of that article. The article has been stable since the last edit of the uploader on 1 July.[11] Files in pdf format are in scope if the format was "selected for convenience of printing" (COM:SCOPE). Walter Siegmund (talk) 17:30, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Do you mean they are the uploader's own work? Wouldn't that make them original research at es.wp? Or are they works by Juan María Robles Febré? Wouldn't that make them copyvios? Wknight94 talk 15:48, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
The information field says, "trabajo propio (own work)" and I haven't seen that disputed. They appear to contain lists of works, i.e., bibliographies. I assume that they are verifiable and we assume good faith unless evidence exists to the contrary. Walter Siegmund (talk) 20:35, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Kwj2772 - Incivility, POV pushing and lack of communication

I have a problem with the new admin who was primarily elected for aiding Korean editors with his Korean ability. I'm also questioning as to whether Kwj2772 has enough communication abilities in English as an admin. After creating and organizing galleries/files/categories related to Korea (I've uploaded 1/3 or 1/4 images of the whole Korean-related images on Commons), I've acknowledged that Korean named galleries and file titles are broken on browsers without installation of East Asian characters or UTF setting. So to increase non-Korean readers' accessibility, I moved 김치 to Kimchi (which is an "English" term), 대구 to Daegu and 경주 to Gyeongju, the latter two of which are South Korean cities and Romanized as such in a primarily used Romanization. Another Ronamization method exists but that is mainly for North Korean subjects, and English Wikipedia follows the naming convention. The Korean titles are only recognizable for Korean readers, and in South Korea, Korean readers do not know or rarely use Commons.

However, my edits were immediately reverted by Kwj2772 (talk · contribs) with these edit summaries reverting or reverting. multilinguality should be respected. See COM:LP So I checked on the directed page, but only could confirm that page is a proposed guideline page.[12] Moreover, the titles have many "ambiguous" meanings in Korean and do not correspond to the titles on Korean Wikipedia such as ko:경주시, ko:대구광역시. So I visited his talk page and asked him to show his rationale and "existent consensus" by Korean editors or the community as well as a right place for discussion on the matter. However, from the beginning, he started attacking me in a very rude Korean and falsely accusing that I'm self-righteous, having an ownership issue, bringing up a subject that would be a waste of time for discussion and making nonsense as well as jumping to a conclusion. That is his first answer to me, full of attacks. Kwj2772 has been insisting that the proposed guideline should be on first priority over Romanizied names and English titles. Regardless of his childish and rude attacks, I asked him to write down his argument in English and to be civil because I've wanted the discussion open for everyone not just Korean readers and he is an admin that should be on a higher standard of civility. I suggested several examples that Commons' primary language is English and Commons does not support the "ideal multiliguality" like there is no non-English category and non-English/Romanized names are subjects for renaming. However, he kept ignoring my requests and brought on irrelevant matters in also very uncivil tone. I wonder the only reasons that he wrote his argument in Korean are that his English is not good enough to communicate (wondering how come he could be elected as admin?), and his rude tone could be not shown to non-Korean speakers.

Further problem is that he brought the matter to Village pump (regardless of my several requests for directing to a right place for discussion) to bash me with a full of mispresentation. The opinions there show that that is not a policy nor guideline and I don't see any consensus or support for his insistence. However, today he even moved the galleries that I created, Buan to 부안 and Jinhae to 진해 which are also incorrect titles for the subjects. I think his behaviors are inappropriate as an editor, but also an admin, so I've brought up this to your attention. --Caspian blue 13:45, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

See also Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard/User_problems#Trolling from Caspian blue (talk • contribs). Rocket000 (talk) 17:51, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Huh, another example of no-notification. When I asked him to direct a right place for discussion, he repeatedly refused to provide it. However, his forum shopping to the two places without notification to me is so contradictory to his own insistence on "Commons' convention". His lying and mispresentation of my comments should be stopped.--Caspian blue 20:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
I didn't know where to put this comment, but since it's mainly directed at Caspian blue, I thought I'd post it here (but maybe the VP would be better since I think we should focus on the content part of this dispute).
Yes, it would have been nice if he notified you, but I'm sure someone else (like me) would have made sure you knew about it if it went anywhere. And you know now, so that's in the past. Both of you need to work through this and come to some agreement. I'm not blaming either one of you for turning this into a user issue. Maybe it's even justified, but I can't see how pointing fingers will help anything (it's not like anyone's going to get blocked or desysoped). Asking for a third opinion is a good start. If you want to hear mine it's summed up in COM:G#Naming_conventions:
Unlike naming categories, where English is almost always used, galleries should be named in language most associated with the subject. This applies to people, places, art, culture, etc. For general subjects and ones not tied to any specific language, the name most likely to be searched for (usually English) should be used. An exception to this rule is the naming of galleries of organisms and subjects where Latin names are considered universal. These follow the same guidelines as categories and should share the same name.
I know this was based on a part of COM:LP, which isn't a guideline or policy yet but mainly because it's not complete yet. Not because it doesn't have consensus. In my experience here on Commons, this is first time I heard someone object to this. And that's fine if you do, but laying out your arguments on the talk page of either COM:G or COM:LP would be a better approach than arguing with edits and reverts. While I think consensus is on the side of Kwj2772, it is not a strong consensus and definitely not an absolute policy, and thus this advice pertains to Kwj2772 as well, especially since Caspian blue was the original creator of these galleries (I'm not implying any COM:OWN, only precedent, similar to how on en.wp the argument of British/American English is solved by looking at what the first editor decided to use).
As for communicating in English, don't worry about that so much. Users don't even need to speak one word of English to participate here. Those of us used to working in a multilingual environment know how to use translation tools on the web. He's only a en-2 so the underlying tone and subtle meaning would probably be lost on some of us regardless of the language he uses. Rocket000 (talk) 21:38, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for the mature, kind and helpful advice unlike Kwj2772's personal attacks and trolling. The places you've suggested me are what I've wanted to hear from Kwj2772, but he refused answer it and engaged in incivility. The only reason I could know his bashing against me on VP is that I recently asked a question to the place, so it was on my watchlist. The other forum shopping of him was informed by your liking to the page. He not only blatantly disregards my assessment and opinion, and attacked me by treating me like a crap. I'm deeply disappointed by his trollish behaviors/personal attacks/incivlity which only could degrade the general images of admins here who are genuinely helping others. I've known that if he informed me of a place to discuss on the matter, our discussion would be used, so that's why his wording should be in English, however, he even lied that I asked you to answer in Korean. I really don't think that he is a suitable for doing admin jobs as long as he is resorting incivility and POV pushing and falsehood.--Caspian blue 22:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
I am deeply disappointed of Caspian's distortion of fact. I just pointed that I was disappointed with your statement saying "Ownership claiming". And you said Most westerners do rarely set their browser setting in UTF-8. Wiki default encoding is UTF-8, what is more needed to set encoding to UTF-8? I clearly said. And I didn't see you creating Korean redirects, in this point, "calculating accessibility" is nonsense. Kwj2772 (msg) 11:48, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Kwj2772, I'm deeply wounded by your harassment campaign by forum shopping to two places without notification to me. I'm deeply wounded by your deliberate distortion of my comments and the discussion. "I did not see you creating Koran directs"? Do you think that excuse would be for your defense? You said Westerners should install CJK characters instead of making the gallery pages more accessible to them. What you were responding to me were total nonsense and fallacious. I've demanded you for a place to discuss and you attacked me instead. That is not what admins would do. You intentionally picked up galleries to move to what you want without a consensus or discussion settlement. Do not engage in such malicious behaviors if you want to resolve the issue with me. You're supposed to be helping editors, not harassing.--Caspian blue 12:26, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Now, let's stop the personal attacks and the like and let's get to some solution instead of continously attacking the other person. It's getting us nowhere. Neither is Caspian blue trolling, nor Kwj2772 abusing the admin tools. For example, an admin abuse would be to protect the page from moving, so that you can't revert it. Kwj2772 has a point that the language and the gallery guidelines are kind of consensus here, though they might not yet be made something official, but consensus isn't always written in stone. Considering what you said, I can see your point. Some people might not see the Korean coding. But this is at all just some technical problem. We also don't try to get things working with HTML and CSS, just because some people don't have JavaScript. As for this case, maybe it would be possible to create some template like {{Switch title}} so that people that don't have Korean characters enabled see the English variant. However, I have no idea if that's possible at all. --The Evil IP address (talk) 14:38, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Commons is basically image-based project, so the degree of communication skills here are not much expected like other project. However, if admins were failing to abide by the civility rule and assuming good faith but pushing his POV unilaterally and harassing people who seek their help or a compromise with discussion, then they are not qualified for the admin privilege. --Caspian blue 00:05, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Confusing American highway recategorization/category creation

I'm not sure if this is the right place to report this as it may or may not need administrative intervention, please advise.

71.8.199.1 has created a series of categories and is currently recategorizing images relating to various American highways. I personally am not understanding the recategorizations or why certain categories are being created to begin with and for the ones involving certain California highways in the San Francisco Bay Area, the recategorizations are actually more confusing to me. I'm wondering if anyone with some knowledge in this area can take a look at this user's edits to determine whether or not they are useful. Thanks. --BrokenSphere 21:59, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

This editing pattern has been carried over from wikipedia, see Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/Vandalism#User talk:71.8.199.1 for more.--Nilfanion (talk) 11:17, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Deletion requests backlogged

We currently have a massive backlog of unclosed deletion requests going back over 5 months. Furthermore, a lot of the requests are utterly trivial, including things like obvious copyvios, requests by uploader and other things that really should've been speedied in the first place (like this one).

So, I'd like to issue a challenge to all the admins here: go to Commons:Deletion requests/2009/03, pick a dozen still open requests and close them. Feel free to choose the easiest and least controversial ones: just getting those closed will let others concentrate on the more tricky closures. And, once the pickings from March start getting thin, there's still Commons:Deletion requests/2009/04 and so on... —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 15:15, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

There are even older ones from July, August, September, October and December 2008 left. --The Evil IP address (talk) 15:46, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
It seems the backlog buildup started when the format of COM:DEL was changed. Having recent requests out of sight means they're also out of mind. My impression is that this is reflected not only in the closure rate but also in the number of comments. Perhaps it's time to rethink the approach to make it apparent how big the itch is and to make it easy to scratch it. —LX (talk, contribs) 16:05, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

There's something wrong with the current process. It's something about the way it's organized or... I don't know, but it discourages admins to work on them. It's not a matter of difficult cases. As Ilmari points out, there's some that could easily speedy closed, but ::yet they stay open for months. It's like no one even saw them. Sure, we could use some more help, but there's a deeper problem than that. We need to rethink how we handle DRs. I blame a lot of the current status on the "Nominate for deletion" button, which greatly increase the number of requests we got (it made it easier than speedy requests). The action of closing is not an issue (since DelReqHandler came along), but reviewing them in the first place is. Our process isn't ideal for the volume we deal with. I don't have any ideas yet, but change in itself could help motive. Rocket000 (talk) 17:37, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Good point. The pages themselves aren't the problem, they're usable enough.... but they get lost and it's not clear how bad things are. Maybe we need a tally board or something ? I see another issue in that there aren't enough comments for a clear consensus. I tend to shy away from closing 3-2 or worse, 2-1 or 1-1 (well, I know it's not a vote) discussions. So I don't, because there's other stuff to do. ++Lar: t/c 20:26, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Probably hundreds of deletion requests in category:Deletion requests are incomplete. A subpage is created, but not listed in the log, and the uploader is often not notified. The cause of this maybe that popups are blocked. Cannot the script be redesigned so that it does not need popups? Or could a bot collect these DR's at the end of the day and attach them to the log?
Because it is so easy to press the delete button, people do this instead of using {{Duplicate}} or {{Bad name}}, sometimes for very minor spelling errors, often without giving a link to the replacement file. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 19:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Also: because a new deletion log page is created every day, deletion requests do not show up on watchlists. I think that is different from how it was before. Now people do not !vote because they do not see other people's DRs. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 07:00, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Clearly a good point: too much structuring and making of new pages of those requests makes that they disappear from people's watchlist (for CfD's too). Pop up blockers create strange effects: my (rare) deletion request tend to insert the deletion request twice. To put such (sub)pages on your watchlist, one has to edit the relevant subsection and hit the watch button: complicated and you have to do it at each (right) level. --Foroa (talk) 07:09, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category:Deletion requests August 2009 works pretty much like a watchlist. How about putting each deletion request subpage into a monthly category, so that these can also be watched through a "recentchangeslinked/category:<categoryname>" link ? Teofilo (talk) 12:21, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Monthly categories are unnecessary for that, as everything is transcluded to the monthly pages: Special:RecentChangesLinked/Commons:Deletion requests/2009/08 works just fine - if you restrict it to Commons: space only, you get an ideal list. As for the backlog, perhaps we should handle deletion requests that should have gone through the speedy deletion or unknown tagging processes instead like they had been put in those processes, and close them accordingly even if there have been no comments to gather any sort of consensus.--Nilfanion (talk) 12:40, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

attributes of data elements on commons dumpdata file

Hello~ I would like to use the dump data of wikifiles include commons and articles. I found the download page, however I couldnot find a document tell me attributes of data elements.

As I am trying to make a small service using the data, I would like to know about it.

I would like to enter the IRC to ask some question about the files. However, I fail to access the site because of the connecting problems in korea.

Could anyone tell me where I can get the data elements attributes of wiki dump files? thisis the page I download the files.

Although I could guess some of them, I have no idea on some of the files specially, image.sql.gz file on commons file

Whible (talk) 06:53, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Delete File version

I had the same request for 2 other files in Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard#Question. Now I found more files:

Could you please delete the first version of these files:

Thank you very much. --HAH (talk) 10:35, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

 Not done. I think deletion is not necessary. Just leave them. (However, Any admin can review and reverse my decision.) Kwj2772 (msg) 10:42, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 Support. I don't want my real name shown. Its something about privicy. Could you please? --HAH (talk) 10:43, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
OK. I will perform revdeletion. Thank you. Kwj2772 (msg) 11:13, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
All ✓ Done except the last one. Please check if my deletion is correct. Kwj2772 (msg) 11:31, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes, the deletions are correct, but why didn't you do the last one also? --HAH (talk) 14:24, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
You wanted Your real name removed. If you change your name to AuthorStamp template, I will delete revisions also. Kwj2772 (msg) 14:26, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
OK Kwj2772 (msg) 14:30, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Thank you very much !!! --HAH (talk) 14:45, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Request for speedy deletion of specific revision of File:Ashley Roberts.jpg

Please delete the copyvio revision of File:Ashley Roberts.jpg uploaded by Pedro Ivo Caldas (talk · contributions · Move log · block log · uploads · Abuse filter log)  and re-block the user, who apparently failed to learn from their previous block. —LX (talk, contribs) 22:23, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

✓ Done --Martin H. (talk) 22:30, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Check the contributions

Check the contributions made by this User. Probably not own work. Thanks. --Fabiano msg 23:02, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

✓ Done. --Martin H. (talk) 23:17, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
p.s.: Evidence for sockpuppetry of a user I blocked before, thanks for the note. --Martin H. (talk) 23:26, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

HP psc1600 scanner in EXIF-data

user [13] uploaded pictures seems to be in exif-data HP psc1600, what are scanner / printer, please check the pictures--Motopark (talk) 12:35, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

1970s photographs can hardly come directly from digital cameras ;) --Martin H. (talk) 12:39, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Of course. Scanning software can also produce EXIF data. You'll notice there are no fields for camera parameters, like focal length, apperture etc. Sv1xv (talk) 13:32, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
OK to me--Motopark (talk) 14:17, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

please check

person who are in the picture, are marked an author in next pictures, what are your opinion about those pictures.--Motopark (talk) 18:06, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

It seems that part of those pictures are published in Picasa album and author are TKrisa--Motopark (talk) 18:21, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I left a note of inquiry and have watchlisted Fugue II (talk · contribs) talk page. His/her contributions look like copyvios to me. Walter Siegmund (talk) 18:45, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Undeletion of pictures?

Hello,

Is it possible to undelete pictures? I posted a bunch of pictures for astronomical objects that were missing for use in their articles about two years ago. Then, last April, they were deleted due to concern of permission, but since I don't log on here often, I only noticed this a couple weeks ago. The owner gave permission via email which I believe I provided back when they were first posted. I no longer have that email account, nor the photos. The supplier would probably be annoyed at having to provide them again and give permission over again. The deleted pictures are:

Please assist.

Thanks.

WilliamKF (talk) 18:47, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

You wouldn't happen to remember where you provided the owner's permission, would you? I couldn't find any indication of it in the deleted image histories, nor in your contribution history here on Commons. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 19:14, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Did you forward your permission to OTRS? If so, we can ask a volunteer to find them. --Dereckson (talk) 19:22, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
I just searched the OTRS system and I was not able to find any reference to "User:WilliamKF" or any of the image names. If it was sent to OTRS I might be able to find the e-mail if you can let me know what the e-mail address the permission was sent from was. --J.smith (talk) 19:31, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Sent email to J.smith with my old email address. Who was the author of the photos? I don't recall, but will ask for permission again from them if you can look it up for me. Thanks. WilliamKF (talk) 00:08, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Request for not being an admin on Commons any more

Hi all!

I have not enough understanding of the technical side of the renamings of DjVu files, I have made mistakes twice in the last 24 hours, so it is better that I ask for your advice about remaining or not an admin here. I am a literary person, what I can be useful for is the cultural side of renaming, the creation of rules to name djvu files (I know well that field and other fields on fr.wikisource, en.wikisource, multilingual wikisource, I am an admin on the three of them, a crat on one of them, and I have participated in the building of lots of portals or in the creation of lots of books in the Page mode). But yesterday I renamed two books of 400 pages each without understanding clearly that the 800 pages would have to be renamed too, somebody stopped that in time and somebody explained the mistake to me, but it is better that I don't do these renamings any more. --Zyephyrus (talk) 16:45, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you all of you for your encouraging words. --Zyephyrus (talk) 07:08, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
  • If you seriously don't want to be an admin at Commons anymore, you can ask at the Meta page for adding and removing permissions or drop any steward, including me, a note privately, and your bit will get removed. But in my view, what is required of a good admin at Commons is not perfection, for we are all of us human and none of us perfect, but rather the willingness to learn from experience and to clean up any inadvertent messes one causes, as others above say. Thanks for bringing this up. ++Lar: t/c 18:01, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Thank you Lar, so I will stay. --Zyephyrus (talk) 20:30, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Upload stupidities

ResolvedLupo 07:12, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Note how there's both a box saying "the summary you enter will not appear on the description page" and one insisting that the summary is filled out fully.

I often create image description pages before I upload - For one thing, if you have a list, say:

And click on them, you get an edit page, not the upload page (Try it!). So it makes more sense to set up the information first.

Until you go to upload, and our idiotic scripts are unable to take into account that the page is already created, so filling in the blanks is pointless.

Try doing a large batch upload under these conditions. PLEASE FIX THIS. Adam Cuerden (talk) 21:36, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I think you may be looking for MediaWiki talk:UploadForm.js. Lupo (talk · contribs) appears to be the usual maintainer of that page. With any luck, he can suggest an override you can put in your personal Monobook.js. Wknight94 talk 01:52, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
As a temporary fix, all you can do is go the way over JavaScript hacks. AFAIR submitting the form manually (not using the button) should work. If it does not, block JavaScript for Wikimedia Commons. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 02:19, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
As a side note, if you write [[File:Related file 1.jpg]] instead of [[:File:Related file 1.jpg]], you do get the upload form instead of the edit page. –Tryphon☂ 09:14, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes, but when it is uploaded, you get the full image showing up on the other image's page. Not good! Adam Cuerden (talk) 13:58, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
What about reupload links like
You must give only a description like "upload" or at least one letter. --Martin H. (talk) 17:21, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
The only issue with Martin's solution is that the re-upload link doesn't appear anywhere when there is no image. If you add
importScript('User:Pruneau/ReUpload.js');
to your monobook.js, you'll get an extra link in the toolbox in the left column to (re-)upload the file in all cases. Pruneautalk 17:55, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

ELMER1071

Would someone look through the contributions of User:ELMER1071? There seem to be some unlikely claims of "own work," such as File:Municipalidad Antigua.JPG and File:Tru-metro.jpg. - Jmabel ! talk 00:22, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Looked through, several copied from elsewhere, I nuked the lot as a precaution. -mattbuck (Talk) 12:01, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

File:Husarz.jpg

same name for DIFFERENT pictures may someone FULLY separate File:Husarz.jpg and File:Husarz1.jpg ? in history File:Husarz.jpg has the same picture as File:Husarz1.jpg - so I'm afraid that some one will revert File:Husarz.jpg to its older version :-( both pictures are important just one picture is the first quarter of 17th century (File:Husarz.jpg - new version), and the second is the third quarter of the same century (File:Husarz.jpg - old version) please, solve the trouble! 212.116.227.156 01:51, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

It is not exactly unusual for files to have been over-written by different versions, even with completely different subjects. Obviously this was corrected in this case by uploading the original again under a new name, File:Husarz1.jpg. The original image upload is just history, there is nothing that needs correcting. (The revert button just uploads a new copy of an older image, the previous uploads would not dissappear, so no risk of loosing anything :-) --Tony Wills (talk) 04:36, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Abuse filter issues

First, can someone with a little more filter-writing skills take a look at filter 9. The extension must have been updated since the creation of this filter because I don't know how he got it to save with syntax errors.

Second, does anyone know how to remove tags from Special:Tags? I guess these are automatically created when you type something in the tag field while creating a filter. The problem is that even trivial changes such as renaming a tag from "image_annotation" to "image annotation" creates a brand new pseudo-system message. I say "pseudo" because it doesn't exist at the MediaWiki page (unless you change it from the default) yet is somehow linked to it. You can change the tag directly without using the abuse filter interface; I have no idea what would happen if done this way. Would it change the tag's text already present in the logs? Would it create a new tag with the same name? Obviously, we don't need to delete these non-existent system messages (I guess that would mean removing it from the logs/page histories which we don't want) but there should be a way to delete/hide all references to it if the filter that applied it got "deleted" (i.e. hidden, these too can never be deleted it seems). They should also magically disappear if they were never applied to any edit and someone removed it from the filter. Otherwise, Special:Tags will start to become quite a mess.

And lastly, I created this template to standardize tag descriptions and (hopefully) help us maintain the tags in general. The idea was taken from en.wp. Please use it if you create a new tag. We need to be cautious with these filters if they are undeletable. Rocket000 (talk) 05:39, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Quentinusc

I recently made acquaintance with Quentinusc (talk · contribs), who had this to say about my tagging of his copyright violations. It then came to my attention that he has a sockpuppet account, Quentinusc35 (talk · contribs). I don't know if this counts as abusing multiple accounts, but it looks like there are some copyvios under that account as well. It would be good if someone else would be willing to review them. —LX (talk, contribs) 21:09, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Ping?
If the reason this hasn't been dealt with is that it wasn't specific enough, let me try to elaborate: File:Rck.jpg, the scale-down duplicate File:Rck91.jpg and File:Unvez kelt.jpg have big watermarks suggesting they were taken from http://rck1991.org/site/photos.php, and File:Paris 2.jpg has a big "SRP" watermark. —LX (talk, contribs) 21:32, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Would someone please comment on this? Is this a valid use of multiple accounts? I would normally tag the aforementioned images as problematic myself, but given the user's previous response, I chose not to because I didn't want it to appear like personal bias. Should I interpret the lack of response here as an indication that my suspicions are in fact the result of such bias?
Basically, if there is an actual problem, please address it. If I'm out of line, please tell me so I can get my head screwed on right. As it stands, the two weeks of silence is a bit hard to interpret. —LX (talk, contribs) 19:36, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Looks like they're at it again. For example, File:Église berthierville.jpg is taken from http://www.pbase.com/jbnd31/image/62755952. —LX (talk, contribs) 12:23, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
I just blocked User:Quentinusc for two weeks, and I'll be watching User:Quentinusc35 for block evasion. I also deleted the obvious copyvios from both accounts, and tagged the less obvious ones with {{Nsd}}. Thanks for bringing this up. –Tryphon☂ 13:25, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Any plan to restrict the add note abilities for the new users?

The question is in the topic. Since the feature was activated recently, and since most notes added by new users/ips are either:

Of course, some edits are legit, but still the tool just can be abused.
As Commons don't have specialized antivandalism bots, and as it would be difficult to prevent annotating since any language could be used, can the opportunity of disabling the gadget for new ips or users be discussed.
Esby (talk) 23:32, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to endorse restricting the add note to autoconfirmed users. -mattbuck (Talk) 01:14, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
  • I'd put this on the same level as editing a page. The damage caused is similar and the ease of revering is the same. It also has the advantage that the editing is more complex and a little slower so the speed at witch vandalism can occur is slower. --J.smith (talk) 02:30, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Technically, yes, it's just like editing the page, but I think this is a little too tempting for anons not to vandalize. I'm seeing some of the same kind of "test edits" that use to plague Wikipedia when the wiki thing was still a novelty (well, I guess some wikis still get a lot of that). I'd support enabling it for users only (i.e. anyone logged in). Autoconfirmed is ok too. If some IP really wanted to they could add a note manually (where the tempting new technology would be absent). An alternative would be to get some good abuse filters in place. Rocket000 (talk) 03:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
    • Nothing you said doens't already apply to -almost- every page on the wiki. What is different about this tool that makes it more risky? As I've already stated I think it's even less risky. Edits to regular pages can have an impact across multiple pages (templates) or be done rapid-fire. Does semi-protection apply to this tool? If so, we already have a tool to protect high-risk images as needed. --J.smith (talk) 07:54, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
      • Well, high-risk images only really need to be protected from changing the image itself. What goes on on the description page doesn't need to be protected unless for the normal reasons (repeated vandalism and edit-warring). What's different with this tool is it makes it more attractive for vandalism/test edits. There's nothing "risky" about it. It's just a lot of the edits I see are useless and reverting wastes the time of contributors that normally improve Commons not just maintain the status quo. I'm looking at the net benefit. I was just adding my say in order to help establish consensus if one existed (which it doesn't, and that's fine too). Rocket000 (talk) 19:38, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I also forgot to mention one factor. It is currently holidays for most school with inet access (at least, here in France), the vandalisms on the fr wikipedia from those are kinda low in this period, but this will not be the same in september / october when they'll start having school again. I'd assume it's the same thing for the whole european area too. Esby (talk) 03:17, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

 Support. There are already more than enough tasks for serious users here. No need to add patrolling for vandalism invited by this tool. A look at recent changes filtered to show anonymous users will clearly demonstrate the negative net utility of enabling it for anonymous users. And if it really is just like editing a page, removing access to the tool shouldn't be a big deal, since they can still edit the page. —LX (talk, contribs) 05:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I would suggest to wait with that until the novelty factor has worn off, and I'd be very reluctant to restrict editing rights. This is a Wiki where anyone may edit. Besides, I just looked at the log:

  • 2009-08-25, 00:00 - 06:23: 22 edits by new users to 18 files. 2 tests (4 edits, self-reverted, an IP and a new user), 2 edits that could be vandalism (or maybe just tests), 1 clearly good note (identifying a ship). The rest are mostly not obvious vandalism (and some vandalism, too, of course), rather just inappropriate uses of the tool (adding URLs to one's own homepage, misusing notes for talking, non-informative notes repeating info from the {{Information}}.
  • 2009-08-24, 00:00 - 24:00: 192 edits by new users to 109 files. 22 tests (44 edits, self reverted). I then got tired counting, but I see several well-intentioned but inappropriate notes (such as repeating the {{Information}}), some good notes, some stuff that might be testing, and of course also some vandalism, but not overwhelmigly much. I also see one IP reverting some other IP's vandalism.
  • 2009-08-23, 00:00 - 24:00: 143 edits to 61 files. Didn't look what they were, but from a quick glance, it's about the same picture: some tests, some good, some bad.

Frankly said, if O(100) edits per day by new users are considered overwhelming, then we've got a systemic problem, and it's not going to be solved by restricting access! If at all, let's try other approaches first. Maybe start by giving more people rollbacker rights. Or, if longer-term experience shows that despite our best efforts, we can't deal with it, try making the buttons less prominent by turning them into simple links (possibly only for non-autoconfirmed users). Finally, I strongly oppose any restriction of editing rights up-front due to fear-mongering ("school will start again"). It is a Wiki. Lupo 06:46, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Can't upload files because of filenames

I'd like image 1L122-2E.jpg but this filename is blacklisted. I'm absolutely sure that this is the best name for an image so plz smb whitelist it so that I could upload an image. Thank you, SkyBonTalk\Contributions 18:14, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

The same about 9M334.jpg. SkyBonTalk\Contributions 18:17, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
The same about R-416G-MS.jpg. SkyBonTalk\Contributions 18:44, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Could you please explain what the images depict and why a more descriptive name wouldn't be better? Pruneautalk 19:02, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
This is Almaz-Antey's stuff from MAKS-2009 airshow. These filenames repsesent names of these vehicles. SkyBonTalk\Contributions 19:10, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
A more descriptive name, then, might be "[Manufacturer] [cryptic vehicle name] [vehicle type] at the MAKS-2009 airshow.jpg". —LX (talk, contribs) 19:57, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
Strongly agree. Those names are way too cryptic, glad the filter's working to stop them. ++Lar: t/c 23:58, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Commons Checkuser request

For information there is a request here. Thanks --Herby talk thyme 13:43, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

See also the village pump concerning this kind of advertising. Kanonkas (talk) 13:55, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
I'd appreciate you withdrawing that tone - it is considered courtesy to announce such requests & has been for some time. Not what I would expect from you. --Herby talk thyme 14:00, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
I didn't mean to imply anything bad and/or arrogance with my tone, sorry if it sounded as such. However, I do see this as "advertising" the community to vote. As long as I've been here, I've never seen a CU request being "placed" as this on AN and VP on Commons, which is why I was surprised to see one now. However, I wasn't aware that such notes were usual to do during CU requests on Commons. I guess this was a misunderstanding on my part, but calling it lack of courtesy is harsh, IMO. I'm entitled to make mistakes/misunderstandings, so are others. --Kanonkas (talk) 14:21, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
(after ec) Hmm, the recent election of WMF board trustees was "advertised" on every single page over all Wikimedia projects. So, why should it be a problem to invite the community for comment about a request for a job that really needs to have broad support in the community? --Túrelio (talk) 14:02, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps going forward we should make it a practice to more widely publicise (including here, the VP, and elsewhere) 'crat, OV, and CU elections, as they tend to be somewhat rarer than admin elections. ++Lar: t/c 15:13, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

It is the practice. It has been here, it was on Wikibooks over two years ago. It is on all other wikis I have been active on. En wp even intrude on watchlists with it. --Herby talk thyme 15:15, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
If people are forgetting it's the practice (I did) and suggesting we make it the practice, maybe we need to note somewhere (on the guide to requesting the perm?) that it's the practice? ++Lar: t/c 19:56, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
I think so too. However, I think only for CU/OS requests. Maybe we should ask the community for their view on this, or should we try being bold? The latter is probably less bureaucratic, IMO. — Kanonkas // talk // e-mail // 20:01, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
It has been policy for longer than many people have been here, in the event of doubt please see the Meta page particularly here. The user requesting CheckUser status must request it within his local community and advertise this request properly (village pump, mailing list when available, ...). That section goes back to 2006 at least. --Herby talk thyme 06:46, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Okay, thank you. No worries on that part, however this is only for CU/OS, right? So.... I'd say just do what Lar said above, that we should note this. As far as I know, RfB's do not fall under this clause. — Kanonkas // talk // e-mail // 12:38, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I fail to see why it should not apply to anything other than admin requests. Particularly when pages get moved around and so may be hard for people to find (unless it is pointed out to them).
This project is a community one - it should be treated as such by those who seek to be influential in that community. --Herby talk thyme 16:02, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
We could say the same thing about RfA's, yet we do not advertise those. I hope we won't start advertising RfA's. In particular, CU/OS are more sensitive, which may be one of the reasons why we should advertise those requests. — Kanonkas // talk // e-mail // 16:33, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I presume you didn't actually read or maybe understand what I wrote above. I fail to see why it should not apply to anything other than admin requests. in other words I do not see it should apply to admin requests. However it would seem courteous to the community to ensure they were aware of any other requests so that they could comment if they wished. --Herby talk thyme 16:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Actually, announcing things like RFBs would be a good thing I think. Or do similar to Meta/Simple WP, and link them from recent changes. For example, I missed your RFB, Kanonkas. Majorly talk 22:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Whether or not it was or wasn't a practice before, let's agree to make it a practice, going forward, for all requests other than admin, that is, for 'crat, OV and CU requests, that these be advertised. If common practice pages (like "how to make a request" pages) need updating, let's do that too. ++Lar: t/c 16:23, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Per Lar/Majorly - looks like good practice to me. --Herby talk thyme 16:35, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

How about we create a template with links to all current votes and important discussions? This could then be included on many pages. At least that's how it's done over at de.wp, see de:Vorlage:Beteiligen. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 16:53, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

If you ask me, I'd say just put them in a closable sitenotice. Requests for Crat, CU and Oversight are important, and telling from my own experience, I haven't even discovered the usual admin requests for a long time, unlike the Board of Trustees Election, the Relicensing or the Poty, which were in the sitenotice. And if the people don't care for it, they can just close the sitenotice. -The Evil IP address (talk) 17:00, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
I've always liked the Meta approach too. RfAs and any others are shown on recent changes (for those of us who are that way inclined ;)) --Herby talk thyme 17:07, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm not really fond of putting too much stuff in the sitenotice and bugging loads of people who don't really care about this stuff. Putting this in the Sitenotice makes the Sitenotice pop up every time another candidate comes or goes. People who don't want this will have to close the Sitenotice over and over. I think people should decide on their own whether they want information about what is going on and getting this information should require activity by the person interested in the information. We should just facilitate obtaining information and providing it in a centralized place instead of having users go through a handful of pages where changes are announced. One single page (or template, doesn't really matter) featuring all the main community discussions is IMHO the best way to do this. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 02:30, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm with Chris on that point. However, don't we already have such a page (Commons:Requests and votes)?— Kanonkas // talk // e-mail // 07:24, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, that page is rather large and its structure is not really optimal for checking whether something has changed. Also it does get quite some non-vote-related edits so watchlisting this will alert you more often than neccessary. I was thinking of a pretty small page wich is only updated when new votes are started. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 00:19, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I think notices on MediaWiki:Recentchangestext would be useful, but I don't know how people actively check the RC. I would help update a type of template like {{Maintenance announcements}} if others think that would be better. This could be used for all important discussions too kinda like en.wp's RfC/centralized discussion thing. Rocket000 (talk) 22:53, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

NOT PD-Deutsche Bundespost stamps

There is a problem in two images of German Mark coins here and there that needs to be fixed. Probably due to little knowledge of the English language the template {{PD-Deutsche Bundespost stamps}} was used. Therefore the images are wrong licensed and wrong categorized at the same time. -- Ies (talk) 19:34, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

What's the right license for these? (sorry that this sat for a bit...) ++Lar: t/c 13:22, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
A coin is a 3D object, so the photographer gained copyright. License from uploader is missing. Im unsure about copyright of the coins but I think they are public domain. So {{subst:nld}} at the moment. --Martin H. (talk) 14:51, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Strange edit by me at Commons:Bar

I just noticed this edit by me at Commons:Bar. I did add the last sentence to the discussion, but I am quite certain I did not edit any discussion prior to that last sentence. Have anybody seen similar text scrambling before? --Jarekt (talk) 12:36, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Something similar happened to me a while back on en.wp because of a small bug in en:User:Magnus Manske/less edit clutter.js. Have you added any gadgets recently? Pruneautalk 19:47, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
No no new gadgets. --Jarekt (talk) 03:45, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Flickrreview bot problems

Note for other Admins & trusted users:

The review bot lately marks only a few images and then stops abruptly. As a result, this backlog of flickr images needing review keeps growing. I hope someone can mark some of them as I have marked many but am busy with work. Thank You, --Leoboudv (talk) 19:09, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Copyright?

Hi,

I understand the pictures declared as Wikipedia Commons can be used in any article in Wikipedia, in any language.

May such a picture also be freely included in other publications than Wikipedia?

Kind regards

Gunnar

gunnar.backstrom@physics.umu.se — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.239.3.3 (talk • contribs) 12:22, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, depending on the image/photographs license you can freely use image/photographs. With public domain licensed images you can use without attribution but with the Creative Commons licenses (Expect for CC Zero) require attribution and if licensed as Creative Commons ShareAlike will also require the image to be released under the same license (If I've confused you see Commons:Licensing). Bidgee (talk) 12:42, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Please also see COM:REUSE. You can reuse every image on Commons for every purpose including commercial purposes as long as you follow the licenses and not violate any other rights like personality rights or trademark restrictions (dont advertise with the presidential portraits, dont promote computers with photographs of apples). --Martin H. (talk) 14:13, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Can someone check next OTRS-ticket

in picture File:PTXMII.jpg, are one OTRS-ticket number, can somebody check--Motopark (talk) 13:46, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

See COM:OTRSN for requests like this. --Martin H. (talk) 14:10, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Concern over admin actions

I found this because of the recent RfA at which this admin was the nominator. In it he suggested that his friend was asking for deletions as part of the rationale for the nomination. However there seemed to be few deleted contributions - unusual if someone is finding stuff to be deleted so I looked at Wadester16's deletion log. The fact that is is so short made the task quite easy. I found the first two admin actions taken were to delete two images he had uploaded which had been to DR & been closed as kept. I will now undelete these (& they must remain so unless or until the community decides otherwise). The images are now here & here and the DRs are here &here.

I have not reviewed the log in detail but some further deletions stood out. I'm sure many people upload copyvio (that is why we have so much work to do) however I'm much less happy with copyvios uploaded by admins who really should know better. I felt this was something that required dealing with and emailed Wadester16 seeking clarification. When I got an answer my worries increased & I felt the community should have the opportunity to comments.

Primarily my concerns are -

  1. A lack of understanding of irrevocable licensing & apparently a sense of ownership
  2. A lack of understanding of DRs. They are not decided on consensus.
  3. The copyvio suggests further lack of understanding of licensing
  4. The email suggests to me that this user considered admins may delete images out of any sort of process if asked even on "user request" without concern for licensing.

Broadening out from solely this user I would just comment that I think we should be rather more careful in accepting users who have admin rights elsewhere - some are absolutely great but Commons admin role is not the same as the role elsewhere. As a more minor issue this admin seems less concerned with helping the community than dealing with their own errors.

I hope the community considers this as important as I do and agree with me bringing it here & I look forward to reading the comments. --Herby talk thyme 08:10, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Looking at his deletion log, I didn't see one deletion made following policy so far; no deletion request, everything is done behind the scene. And as you noted, use of the admin tools is almost exclusively for managing his own images (and he really seems to think he can do whatever he wants with those, because the belong to him, without any sort of community interaction). I would just like to present one more example, which I find very representative of the problem at hand. File:AlbanyNYCityHall.jpg has been deleted with the rationale: User request: to be replaced (the user requesting deletion, the author and the deleting admin are in fact the same person). And why not just upload the new version without deleting the whole file history? Anyway, the 3,895×5,140 pixels image was replaced shortly after that by a... 320×400 pixels image (and there are at least five other cases like this one). Now was this admin action aimed at improving Commons and serving the community?
So yes, I think we have a very serious issue here; Wadester16 uses his admin rights to bypass our deletion process and to serve his own interests, which is quite the opposite of what I would expect from an admin. I'm curious what other people think of all this, and I hope Wadester16 will also comment here. –Tryphon☂ 09:36, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
I share this concern. I have been aware of it for a while now, as Herby consulted with me about it before taking action. Herby's first steps were to contact W privately, seeking a drama free resolution, and there was an exchange of several mails. I've seen some of W's responses and I am afraid that I think they miss the mark, they started out somewhat dismissive and then moved to obfuscation, he just doesn't seem to get it.
The issues Herby raises, and the issues Tryphon raises, are very serious ones. I am fine with admins who don't focus on Commons as their sole vehicle for contribution to WMF projects, it's OK if they are primary contributors elsewhere, but we do expect some participation and we especially do expect following norms. We really don't need admins here who don't want to follow process because the images are "theirs". (reminder, images once uploaded are NOT "yours"... you've licensed them freely, which is irrevocable, and it's a courtesy to you if the community chooses to delete them) It is one thing to delete something right after you uploaded it, because you goofed or whatever, and then replace it with the correct thing, but if there's a deletion request, and it comes out that the image should be kept, deleting it anyway out of process just seems wrong. These images are not the same as their replacements, and both should be retained.
I think a detailed explanation, and a vow never to do that sort of thing again, are the minimum required actions from Wadester16. Color me very concerned. ++Lar: t/c 13:21, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Seeing the above, I have retored and reverted the images to their highest resolution. Yann (talk) 14:59, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure why Herby didn't post my rationale from the email, but here is my previous explanation from the other day, regarding the DRs:
"I was weak on policy at the time, though soon discovered that the system is broken in many ways, which is why I don't place myself in those arenas as a sysop on Commons.
First off, this was closed against consensus (I consider the nominator to have an implied vote, making this 3 against 1; if you disagree, this is still two against one, which is undoubtedly consensus). I don't question the outcome per votes on the other, though the last two imply that I nominated for deletion because I claimed it was "duplicate", which I did not; these votes have little weight because this file was a redundant copy (not duplicate) of another, and their votes are based on duplicity (policy states that redundancy is a very legitimate concern and should be considered by voters; it is the responsibility of the voters to know the policy. Most ignored this statute.). Secondly, my objections to the outcome to both DRs were undone by User:Tryphon, an administrator of high esteem, I'm sure, but one who should be ashamed of censoring another user. I did not change the DR, only added an objection at the end. (S)he had no right to remove those statements.
That said, the system is relatively flawed because these images had no use to anyone and were superseded by superior versions; it's not like I wanted to remove the image completely. Any change to these images could be done to the superior versions, making those arguments moot to me, but apparently not to DR closers. If I had known sysops here, I could have easily just asked one to delete an image and no bureaucracy would have been needed, making DR moot to begin with. One can easily look at it as "Why even do that? I could go right around it by asking a friend(ly) sysop." Hence our system is broken.
My reason still stands that these images were unnecessarily clogging my user category and served no positive purpose on Commons. If the images exist, I want my template on it, but I don't want them clogging my category. Solution? Don't have those images, so I won't feel the need to use a template, which therefore won't clog my category. Again, it's not like I'm getting rid of the image, only a defunct version of it.
These deletions were indeed my first as sysop, though I have never done something like this again nor will I ever. I was righting a wrong and will claim IAR if I must; I was doing my small part to clean the system. If you look at my admin actions, you will see that I've never done something like this again and I typically only use my tools to work on my own projects and to fix errors by me and other users that I trust."
This may indeed offer proof of misunderstanding of policies or guidelines, though I felt and still do feel confident in most policy. I was unaware that DRs are not based on consensus (as indicated by Herby above), and if this is true, I ask the community why, then, do we have DRs to begin with? The smaller res photos were replaced out of respect for a man I had been selling my photos to, to sell to the public. He hadn't asked me, nor does he know they are posted online. It didn't need to be done, but I still felt it the right thing to do overall, even if it may not have been the right thing to do here. To do a small bit of wikilawyering, photographers upload small-res photos all the time and save the high res for themselves. At the time of upload, I had not been selling my photos, so didn't worry about the high-res version being there. I replaced the high-res with a small-res, in much the same way other photographers reserve their high res photos; it was just a backwards way of doing it. Granted that doesn't make it right, and I won't venture into doing that again. If you feel I have legitimate issues with policy, please feel free to list the policies you think I should review. I will read them word for word and take some time off from sysop actions here at Commons until I finish reading up. I do sincerely think the process here is broken, seeing that every action I took (save for the replacements) did help the project; sometimes a little cleaning is necessary and our policy for redundant copies needs community attention, or consideration from !voters at DRs. These two files are wastes of space and have no purpose here. The way I dealt with it was not right, admittedly, but it was a one-time thing. You have yet to see me venture into DRs since; I could jokingly call it a COI. As for this "copyvio", it was a sign outside an historic site, which I thought had been printed by the US Park Service, which would make it PD. In fact, it had not and this was not easily evident because I actually had to return to the sign and read the back to see that it was made by the local historical society. This was a minor error and really not a big deal if you know the backstory. Another user clarified its source to me (discussion), one that is well-versed in historical landmarks in my hometown. Overall what I did was wrong or gray, and I'm sorry for causing such strife; I won't be doing things like this again. wadester16 16:17, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
I really do worry about the fact that someone can become an admin on Commons with so little understanding of licensing & Commons generally.
I continue to worry that they still do not really understand the concept of free & irrevocable licensing & consider they have some sense of "ownership" of the images they uploaded. There is nothing personal in this when I say I sincerely hope they would not succeed at an RfA now & I do have some concerns about their continuation as an admin here sadly. There are few of us really active & we do have plenty of work to do without wondering what others are doing.
Among other issues concepts such as Ignore All Rules (IAR) are extremely dangerous when applied to the legalities of copyright & licensing. --Herby talk thyme 17:36, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
After reading this thread I think it would be best if Wadester16 stopped being an admin here. Multichill (talk) 17:43, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
I would encourage Wadester16 to voluntarily give up the tools, if for no other reason than he's barely using them. Using them only for deleting your own images, then deleting inappropriately anyway... that's an easy call. You take great pictures, Wadester16, give up the tools that you don't need anyway, and everyone can get along fine and close this issue quickly. Wknight94 talk 18:01, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Seconded. Sorry Wadester16, but your behaviour shows a complete lack of policy knowledge. I don't think this can be fixed by just reading a few pages, you will need to demonstrate that you understand policy by acting according to it and this phase should be worked through as a user without the tools so not much damage can be done. This is especially critical at Commons as the community here is not big enough to follow up on every admin action. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 18:25, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Thirded, it probably would be for the best absent a full and freely given promise to research the matter more closely and a vow to ask for help in future and avoid deletions like these. As a note, you can voluntarily resign your adminship via a private message to any steward, or via a request on the the steward request page on Meta. ++Lar: t/c 19:56, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
✓ Done Though my concerns with the DR process, me being censored, and ignorance to "redundancy" are all still real issues that you all should not stick your noses up at. wadester16 01:35, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
That was a good judgement call I think (and already one point for you in my book if you ever decide to run again). Contrary to what it may sound like below, I agree our system isn't perfect. We end up erring on the side of caution and unfortunately that means we keep a lot of redundant junk we don't need. It can become a real issue in the future because it just keeps accumulating. It doesn't need to be said that quality is directly proportional to quality control, and that's something wikis in general have issue with. You are not wrong for having your views, it was just lack of understanding of established process/policy that made you a not-so-good admin (not a not-so-good user, let alone person, since it wasn't done to intentionally hurt the project). To reverse a validly closed DR by yourself without any kind of discussion is not ever a gray area. It's not an unforgivable offense but it is quite serious because it shows that you're willing to ignore policy/process if you think you know better. Maybe you do know better, but that doesn't justify actually doing it. It's like continuing to edit-war/wheel-war when you know the other user is wrong and going against consensus. Yes, you may be on the right side but you're doing it the wrong way. As an admin, the latter is of special importance. Rocket000 (talk) 23:11, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Bypassing process

  • One of the claims by Wadester16 is that
...making DR moot to begin with. One can easily look at it as "Why even do that? I could go right around it by asking a friend(ly) sysop." Hence our system is broken.
which needs to be addressed. How routinely does this happen, how can it be monitored? --Tony Wills (talk) 21:13, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't think it happens all that often. The way to monitor it would be to examine the deletion log and make comparisions (but it would take some analysis). I don't think "our system is broken" so much as our sysops are stretched thin, there is a lot of work to do and maybe some systematic review of the work and processes is needed to find areas for process improvement and increased efficiency... DR is chronically backlogged as are other tasks. I'd prefer this section stay focused on the issue at hand though, perhaps this question could be raised elsewhere if that answer doesn't satisfy. ++Lar: t/c 21:33, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
It doesn't happen often. I think Wadester16 is misinterpreting certain things he sees other admins do. For example, if some user comes to my talk page asking for deletion of some file they recently uploading by mistake or some inferior/redundant image they uploaded, and there was no reason whatsoever to believe anyone else cared if it was deleted, then I would considered doing them a favor and speedying it. If the file was in use anywhere, had previous discussion, other editors, etc. I would suggest a DR instead. This is one of those areas that takes good judgement, experience, and a deeper understanding of the ways and expectations of the community, not just knowing written policy. Good admins barely need to even read policy pages (and even then it's usually only key parts at a time for related discussions or when helping to write/update them). I'm afraid Wadester16 lacks these traits and by the sound of his comments here, I don't think things will improve. An admin is expected to do a lot more than just not violate policy. Rocket000 (talk) 22:24, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
It happens more than you may think and comes down to a trust issue from sysops to normal editors that do good work; and I'm specifically not talking about goof ups and misnames. I don't think it's a bad thing as long as a version of the image still exists, because it keeps the place clean. Issues that sysops here should really consider are DRs and consensus; if consensus does not apply, why do we have DR? Redundancy should really be considered. I'd ask you all to tell me why the images that were kept per DR should be kept? What does it add to Commons? What can someone do to one version that they can't do to another (the differences are negligible crops)? In what way did they add something educationally distinct to the collection of images we already hold covering the same subject? Sometimes sysops need to venture into common-sense land and consider the circumstances and not go word for word by policy. There is a such thing as grey issues; not everything is black and white. wadester16 01:35, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I think you're somewhat confused about the relationship between policy and consensus. There are certain policies, some handed down as fiat by the WMF, some broadly accepted as the way we do things by long practice, that local consensus cannot (and should not) override. DR is a chance to discuss a particular image and decide what to do about it. If there is no overriding policy that applies, then yes, the DR should follow the local consensus. But sometimes, what the DR establishes, by discussion, is what the applicable policies are. Two examples:
  1. An image that's a clear copyvio but that wasn't speedied for whatever reason, (it happens... maybe the copyvio wasn't known when the DR started) isn't going to be kept by a closing admin worth their salt, regardless of consensus... the (handed down by fiat, as well as long term accepted) policy that says only free images are eligible here governs and overrides any local consensus.
  2. An image that's freely licensed, and which is used in a number of projects, and doesn't have any particular issues with things like model permissions or subject ages, copyright of the item photographed, or the like, usually isn't going to be deleted, regardless of consensus. It is not enough to keep "a" version... the source of a derivative version should be kept as well. We make limited exceptions on deletion of images when the author asks, and where there is no overriding reason not to grant the request. But those are a favor by the community, not something an admin should blithely take for themselves in the face of a DR that was a keep.
What I'm getting an impression here is that you perhaps weren't ready to be an admin here when you became one, and aren't now evidencing the willingness to take feedback that's part of collaboration. Here's a key point which I think you haven't internalised yet: Once you license something here, it's no longer "yours". If you're not willing to abide by that you shouldn't have licensed it (at the resolution and quality/compression level given) in the first place. Your actions to take back unilaterally what you freely gave go against the spirit of the project. That's not what I wish to see in our admins. ++Lar: t/c 02:46, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm very clear on the fact that these images are no longer mine; it is one of the basic points of Commons and I needn't be treated like a child and assumed to not understand the fundamental premise of this project. I did not take anything tangible away from the project when I deleted the images that were so queerly voted keep in their DRs. If I had, say, deleted all subsequent versions, then yes of course, but that's a completely different story. As for the downsampling, for use in other projects, the sizes reuploaded were more than enough, though I admit I did take from the project in those cases, for which I've apologized. I don't really know why arguments at Commons seem to be based on the simplest of examples (copyvio discovered at DR→ignore consensus); you can come up with a better example than that to tell me why consensus is ignored in DR. Why was consensus ignored in this one? There were no licensing issues. In what way did the image add to the educational value of Commons that wasn't already represented by the derivative? Please address this; if you say "it isn't going to be deleted, regardless of consensus", why don't you make that known to people in the policy? Why did I have to go through a waste of time to discover this inadequacy? This is why the system here is flawed. wadester16 03:44, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I think you're still somewhat confused. Again, the scenario here was that a DR was run, during which you didn't ask for a courtesy deletion, but gave reasons that were contra-policy, and then when the DR didn't come out as you wanted, you just up and deleted the images anyway. That's unacceptable, and until you, without prevarication, acknowledge that, we're not going to get very far in resolving this. ++Lar: t/c 04:04, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

(outdent and ec'd) Third parties had notified me about this thread, and due to history at a sister project I had recused from any comment onsite or offsite with the editors who participated at this thread. Am posting to commend Wadester16 for a graceful resolution to this situation. It raises my esteem of him to see him handle this with poise and dignity. At a future time when he is better prepared for Commons adminship it would be an honor to nominate his second RFA at this project. Best wishes to all, Durova (talk) 02:47, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

It's not quite resolved yet I don't think. Perhaps I'm not the only one not yet clear on what the resolution is? ++Lar: t/c 03:27, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Wadester has resigned his admin ops, and appears ready to gain more experience before seeking to regain the flag. He may disagree upon the basis of his actions which led to this point, but that type of discussion could be continued at user talk. Unless I misunderstand, this has ceased to be an administrative matter? Durova (talk) 03:33, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Indeed, thank you for reading this entire post, Durova. wadester16 03:45, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Durova: Where did he resign? I see no sign of a request from him at m:SRP,w nor of a change in the log Perhaps you saw something I didn't? All I saw was a "done" put on a comment without a crisp statement of what exactly was signified, followed by somewhat unclear allegations of a fair number of things. ++Lar: t/c 03:54, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I think you can give me the dignity of assuming good faith that I'm not lying to you. Per your suggestion, I sent a private message to a steward, User:Bastique, the first en-4 steward I saw on the admin list. Her schedule is not my concern and I assume as a steward, she will get to it as soon as she has time. In the meantime, you can watch and prove to yourself that I won't use the tools before being desysoped. Please have some trust in your fellow man. wadester16 04:11, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I apologise for misconstruing what you were saying, I was confused. I regret any insult you may have perceived. ++Lar: t/c 04:37, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Do I misread the subthread above this? If so, apologies. Durova (talk) 03:58, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
No idea one way or the other, actually. But my first read of the comment was that "done" was an agreement... as in "a full and freely given promise to research the matter more closely and a vow to ask for help in future and avoid deletions like these" rather than a resignation. Sometimes it is a good idea to crisply say without any equivocation what one actually means, it can avoid confusion. ++Lar: t/c 04:04, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Wadester, Bastique is Cary Bass. He is employed by the Wikimedia Foundation as volunteer coordinator and is almost certainly very busy with Wikimania in Argentina right now. Lar is also a steward; he could fulfill your request and knows the best formal procedure for submitting it. Durova (talk) 04:19, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't keep up on WMF that much. Lar, would you do the honors? wadester16 04:29, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I have turned off your adminship at your request, and I thank you for your service, and for your decision to stand down. ++Lar: t/c 04:37, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

m:Vandalism reports: "Software spamming through PDF watermarking and overwriting"

Please see [14] -> Special:Contributions/Mvcfalcon. I have reverted some of them already, example: spammed version (contains spam links every bottom of the page) / original version.

I don't have time to look deeper into it, help is appreciated. Best regards, --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 04:31, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

P.S. after he seems to have failed to write an article about his company en:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CVISION Technologies, Inc. he seems to put links into the pdf files now everywhere... (it ws: spammed version / original version) --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 04:35, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks 'birdy, I agree this is unacceptable, the user needs to be warned, and the images need to be reverted. ++Lar: t/c 04:47, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
With a bit of AGF, I think it's possible the user just wants to help by compressing our PDF files using a trial version of his product. Anyway, he needs to be told that this is not what we desire. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 05:14, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Which I've done. Left out all the "you're promoting your company" angle and just went with "we don't do that here". Spot check of contribs suggests that Spacebirdy got all the ones that had prior versions but I could have been mis-reading, someone else should take a look. ++Lar: t/c 11:38, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
The new uploads he made have still the spamlink in them. If You ask me, I would just delete them.
FYI, I have locked the account, because it made uploads not only here on commons but also on many other projects overwriting many files with the spamlink in it, after his failed article in WP AGF to me is too much. Best regards, --birdy geimfyglið (:> )=| 20:01, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Deletion review

Is there a deletion review noticeboard on Commons? File:2238516206 6f4b275075 o.jpg was nommed for deletion today - Commons:Deletion requests/File:2238516206 6f4b275075 o.jpg - with the rationale, Likely a Flickr-washed photo. Flickr user was deleted, unable to confirm what other types of photos were in photostream. Unused except on user pages.. With no discussion from other users, it was deleted as Flickr washing by User:Yann. Nothing personal with Yann, just feel this was a bit premature without any discussion from others. Just because a user no longer exists on Flickr is no reason to delete images that have been reviewed by Flickr-bot and a human at the time of upload. Flickr users close their accounts all the time. Without proof that there is a copyvio, "Likely a Flickr-washed photo" is not an acceptable reason to delete an image. Additionally, I shall repost User:Mwpnl's comment below which was done after the deletion and closure of the deletion discussion. - ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here 19:56, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm terrible sorry, but what made you conclude this is Flickr washing? The Flickr-user was a professional photographer who had a lot of gay and non-gay artwork on his Flickr page before he personally closed his Flickr-account. Other images by the same Flickr-user are still available on Commons. All of his pictures - including this one - are checked by our Flickr-bot (and by me, for what it's worth).
Personally, I don't think "Flickr-user was deleted, ergo it might be Flickr-washed" is one of the strongest arguments available for deletion. Especially not if the photo is made by someone who is photographer for a living. Please restore the image or provide some valid arguments for deletion. Thank you so much, m:Mark W (Mwpnl) ¦ talk 12:07, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Category system

Referring from here http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dagonweb#.7B.7BAutotranslate.7C1.3D.7Cbase.3DPlease_link_images.2Fheading.7D.7D I have been asked to make some kind of comment on my additions. I have no idea what exactly to do and when I click for more information I am supposed to read 6-8 pages of highly dense text. This won't do. Please implement a simpler point and click system, instead of this ... mess. I love contributing my work but if this system is put before me as a hurdle, I have very little issues with not making the contribution and not using wikipedia. I though wiki was free to use, but the current byzantine infrastructure clearly serves to keep out contributors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dagonweb (talk • contribs) 19:24, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Just ignore the bot if it's too complicated for you. Someone else will eventually categorize them for you. Don't let stop you from uploading. Rocket000 (talk) 01:18, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Category:Summits of the United States

Commons:Categories for discussion/Current requests/2009/02/Category:Summits of the United States seems to have reached consensus, but nothing at Commons:Categories for discussion indicates how to get an administrator to follow up & actually delete something. - Jmabel ! talk 18:00, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

✓ Done deleted the two categories. Multichill (talk) 18:31, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Help board/something for professional artists

Every now and then, a professional artist uploads photos/reproductions of his/her works onto Commons, which is very welcome of course. However, as we never can't be sure about the identity of uploaders, we do (and have to) request written permission. In addition to the fact that understanding Commons is quite complicated for newbies and for not so internet/computer-based people, this sometimes confuses artist-users such as happened today with User talk:Jackie ohlsen or even angers them as happened with User:Nina Paley. Do we already have (or couldn't it be created) either a sort of help board or guidance procedure for these people? --Túrelio (talk) 13:08, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I know that the problem is real. In many cases the artist would have avoided if he had created a user page. However this is not compulsory. Even if instructions are written, nobody would read them. A first measure would be a change like this in the uploading page:
  • It is entirely my own work (Caution: If you are a professional artist and you upload your own work here, some proof of identity may be required. Please... etc)
Does it make any sense? Sv1xv (talk) 13:28, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
I disagree with the assumption that we can't ever believe a user is who he says he is just because he's a professional. There's lots of free culture artists out there. Both of the cases I looked at, I saw absolutely no reason to question them. Especially in the case User:Nina Paley. One look at her site and it's obvious what her views on copyright are. I would have never pressed her for "proof". That does more harm than good. Rocket000 (talk) 14:01, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
On a related note: User:Rocket000/Proof. Rocket000 (talk) 14:02, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes, but Nina Paley has a User page, there is something to start with. The other day I had a problem with many maps uploaded by someone claiming own work. A few of them were copyvios, but he insisted that the others were his own work. I did believe him but I pressed him to create at least a basic user page with his name (which he already used on the maps). Sv1xv (talk) 14:19, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
@Rocket000, you seem to have misunderstood me. I started this thread in order to make it easier both for artist-users to come along with Commons (without comprimising policy) and for admins to "deal" with them, which currently takes a lot of time. And I never wrote "because he's a professional". It's only that "professional" uploads carry a heavier risk of litigation in case of being a copyvio. --Túrelio (talk) 14:21, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
My apologies. It was late last night for me and I wasn't in the clearest state of mind. I guess I had fragments of certain talk pages I read before commenting that steered my thoughts in the wrong direction. The "proof" link was even a little off topic. In other words, yes, I agree, the problem you're talking about is real and an area we need to improve in. Rocket000 (talk) 22:27, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Where possible, OTRS filed permission is often the best kind (not always, but often) but explaining how to do OTRS is a bit hard as it's kind of an arcane process. So if there was a nice page somewhere that cold be linked to from the upload page, that might be good. ++Lar: t/c 16:48, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Non-wiki-savvy people also have way less issue with email. Rocket000 (talk) 22:31, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Would CheckUser be appropriate?

There are strong suspicions regarding a once active, but now retired user, who may be using an alternative account here at Commons. Although the user isn't disruptive, per se, he/she is acting under false pretence. Direct questioning has been to no avail, but there are too many similar points of habit and circumstance to make it just a coincidence. The original user and the new account were/are both active at en wiki also, where the same concerns arise. My question is: would CheckUser be appropriate? I can easily compile the evidence required, but am unsure if it will be accepted. I have difficulty sitting back and allowing the masquerade to continue. The right to vanish/leave, which this user originally invoked, is not the right to come back and have a "fresh start". I look forward to hearing other thoughts on this situation. Maedin\talk 15:31, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello,
When a users retires and returns under a new account it and work as a good users I would not see a reason for a CheckUser. I mean there is no rule saying that you can't have two account, or there is no rule saying that you cant retire and come back under a new account (I retired and came back under a new account), a checkuser could be done when a vandal or a other blocked user is coming back under a new account while his old account is blocked, but I don't see the need for a checkuser when I read your story, I think is will be a case of Assuming good faith. Huib talk 16:52, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Why not a right to have a fresh start, as you said? I see nothing wrong with that as long as the behaviour is constructive, which is the case here. Yann (talk) 16:59, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
No, it would not be appropriate (at least in my eyes). Unless they're doing it for the purposes of causing trouble or evading a ban, there's nothing with starting over. I consider it a right. Rocket000 (talk) 23:02, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
CU would probably be too late, and concerned user has since admitted opening a new account (which is fine). Disruption is not far off however [15]. Lycaon (talk) 23:18, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
(ec) Assuming we are talking about the new account User:Two+two=4 having the same operator as the (self-request-blocked) User:Mbz1, 2+2=4 has stated now that they are identical. I pushed for a resolution to this, not because I did not respect the right to start on a fresh account, but because the previous user was blocked (although on request by the user this time) and had a block record. Since the editing patterns of the two users were so obviously similar I thought it would be best for the new user account to state it explicitly with a link back to the old user page instead of someone else doing raising an RFC. It seems clear for me though that the user is very unhappy with my conduct in this and she seems to be of the opinion that I have ruined her chance to start on a fresh account. She has now placed links to her block logs in capital lettters and a huge image of a David's star - out of dispair I guess and a feeling of being stigmatized in the community. Personally I had hoped for a much less dramatic exit on this. And if I have done wrong in asking for a clarification on the account history, I am truly sorry about if I have ruined the possibility for the user to start over again. My intent was actually the opposite. --Slaunger (talk) 23:24, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
I've explained on my talk page how I came back. Once again the only thing I wanted was a fresh start, and not because of my block log, but rather because of my problems with lycaon and maedin. I also wanted to stay away from administrator noticeboards. It was not to be. I was back to Commons and in a little bit more than a month I am back on Administrator noticeboard . There's probably something about me that is as a magnet, which is attracting me to those boards At that point I guess I have to be blocked once again. Only please this time do not block me with the reason "per user request". I am afraid it is not good enough. There are plenty of other reasons. One of which is mentioned by lycaon "Disruption is not far off however", the other is mentioned by maedian, who has "difficulty sitting back and allowing the masquerade to continue" and so on, and so on. I wanted to have a fresh start. I was angrily denied one. Maybe it was wrong what I've done, maybe I am wrong all around and my interrogators are right. I do not know, and it is not important now. What is important that I would not like anybody to suffer because of me. So please do block me. If nothing else at least next time I'll come back I will be able to add one more blocklog to my signature (Please do not worry it is only a joke). I wanted to have a fresh start.......I wanted to share my images with Wikipedia readers.... I wanted to have a fresh start....Thank you very much, Huib, Yann and Rocket000! Your comments meant a lot to me and helped through this horrible day! Best wishes, everybody.BLOCKLOG1 + BLOCKLOG2 + BLOCKLOG3 --2+2=4 that is a sock of [[:user:Mbz1]] (talk) 05:39, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Time for group hugging ? --Slaunger (talk) 13:43, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry that you see it this way, Mila. I don't have a problem with you and don't understand why you say there is one. We had one argument, which I regret, but I never wished you to leave and never did, nor intended to, treat you poorly. I believe that you imagine bad feeling where there is none. I supported some of your images, even, because you are a wonderful photographer and have many gems in your collection of images. I think it is a shame that your featured pictures need to be "split up" between two accounts: keep them all at Mbz1! As far as the "masquerade" goes, nobody likes to be duped. Nobody likes to be suspicious and feel that they are being taken for granted, or having their intelligence insulted. We could all see that you were the same person, and that's okay, we just wanted you to say so. It's not fair on others if you don't. The policy states that if you have a "fresh start", then you should avoid mixing and mingling in areas where you were a frequent, well-known user. Precisely to avoid this! In any case, I wish you no ill will, and truly hope that you stick around: either as Mbz1 or your new account. There's no need for a fresh start, in my eyes, we are all here for photography, not to scrutinise your block log, which no one really cares about. Besides, you are doing some excellent work with panos, and I hope you keep it up. Regards, Maedin\talk 06:59, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
I can very much endorse Maedins statements. You state on your user page that "You've destroyed me, slaunger, and at this point, when you've got what you wanted, I will ask you never again to show up on my talk page." I will respect your wish to not write anymore on your talk page. However, I do not think that it is fair at the same to state that I have destroyed you and that I've gotten what I wanted considering a past record where I have defended you over and over again, where I have invested time in trying to mediate conflicts you have had with other users, and where I stated repeatedly that I have had the opposite objective. I would therefore like to ask you to reconsider those statements and I would like to ask you to assume good faith, especially considering that I am not allowed to explain and defend my actions by replying to these statements on your user page. Regards, --Slaunger (talk) 07:42, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm saddened by this turn of events. Not because I think anyone has done anything wrong, but just by the circumstances that somehow led several people, all acting in good faith, to end up at cross purposes this way. Mila, I don't think that placing a judenstar on your userpage was really necessary. No one here hates you or wants to rub you out, it's just a website... We all, please remember, want what's best for commons. That includes you contributing peacefully and productively, in a way that doesn't stress you, or others out. How to proceed? I don't know. But I hope everyone can set this episode aside and try for a fresh start. ++Lar: t/c 10:30, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Good point, Lar. I am certainly willing to put the episode aside and move on for the fresh start . --Slaunger (talk) 13:43, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Before we move on, I would just like to share my thoughts on this situation. Mbz1 is still blocked, so trying to find out if two+two=4 is a sockpuppet was legitimate, and the adequate response would be to block the account for block evasion. Now I can hear people saying that the block was requested by Mbz1, so it is not block evasion but simply a fresh start. Well, the block was requested, if my memory serves me right, because Mbz1 wanted to leave but was afraid she couldn't stay away on her own. So not blocking her sockpuppets completely defeats the purpose of the block, and would not be doing her a favor.
And therein lies the problem. We're faced with blocked user who tries to come back (and hence should be blocked), but at the same time the basis for the block is frail (it depends entirely on the user's will, who doesn't seem to know what she wants). So the way I see it, there are two possibilities now:

  1. Lift Mbz1's block. There was no real reason to put it to begin with, and if it's not enforced, it's useless anyway. Then she can have her fresh start by creating a new account, if she wants to.
  2. Enforce Mbz1's block, as a courtesy, by blocking her sockpuppets and refusing to unblock her account on simple request. It's the only way for this block to be anything else than a useless user-controlled switch.

The only thing we cannot do is nothing (having a blocked user using sockpuppets).
I'm for option one, and I don't think we should ever "grant" blocks on user request. If someone wants to lose access to their account, they can change their password to some random sequence (or ask a friend to introduce a new password for them, if they want to be able to beg someone for coming back). The point is, we shouldn't have to deal with these personal issues, and blocks are definitely not for that. –Tryphon☂ 15:50, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree that Mbz1 block is meaningless at this point and the account should be unblocked. Yann (talk) 18:45, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Image not showing properly

Hello. It has been reported that File:Island of Hawai'i - Landsat mosaic.jpg is not loading in the Wikipedia article en:Hawaii (island). Having tried it with FireFox 3, IE 7, and Opera 7 from two different ISPs, I can confirm that I also cannot see the image. If someone could check it out, I would appreciate it. Thanks, Kralizec! (talk) 11:15, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Same true here from Commons. Don't know if the reason is that JPG was saved with progressive option. --Túrelio (talk) 11:56, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Should be ok now, after Bidgee and I did the same without knowing and edit-conflicting each other. --Túrelio (talk) 12:01, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Was strange (Never seen an upload conflict which really didn't bother any of the uploads)! In PhotoShop I used two of the three of the format saving options available on the test image (File:Island of Hawai'i - Landsat mosaic (Test).jpg [File will be deleted in the next two days]). First upload is saving with "Baseline ("Standard")" and the second is "Baseline Optimized". Bidgee (talk) 12:10, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

This issue should be documented somewhere: (from #wikimedia-tech IRC) "to scale progressive images, you need to load the whole thing in memory, whereas with normal encoding you only need to load enough for a single result pixel". Yann (talk) 12:25, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

File protection

Would it be possible to remove the [edit=sysop;move=sysop] protection from most files, instead replacing it with something like [upload=sysop]. I agree that images like File:Red copyright.svg should not simply overwritten with copyright violations, or shouldn't be upload-warred as well, but is there any reason from preventing people from such edits? I don't think so. --The Evil IP address (talk) 13:20, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I think this issue has been discussed before. AFAIK, that's not possible. I may be wrong, but such a new protection would be useful. — Kanonkas // talk // e-mail // 15:59, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
bugzilla:6579 Rocket000 (talk) 18:27, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Copyright? 2

Please check the copyright status for File:Tavlapåbulldog.JPG, File:1837Decamps.jpg and File:19th bulldog and two bullterriers.jpg. I doubt they have the correct license and if they are copyright violations they should be deleted. 81.236.6.77 07:38, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

What is the problem here? There is nothing wrong with 19th century images: they are in the public domain since long. Only the date is wrong in the first case. If you know the right date, please correct. Yann (talk) 17:04, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
And the license tag asserting the uploader owns the copyright (or did). Rocket000 (talk) 23:28, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Destructive behavior

One of the users at nlwp mentioned that a lot of the images at nl:Barcelona (Spanje) are broken. Take for example File:atascovialaietana.jpg, File:Graciaaerea.jpg & File:Calle Ferran.jpg. These files were all uploaded in november 2006 with a proper source (own work) and license. Now someone silently tagged these images as missing source (what source is missing?!?) and some admin silently deleted all these images. What kind of destructive behavior is this? These files have been around for 3 years, are properly sourced and now get deleted as no source? Wtf? I do understand some admins don't trust the user in question. So file a proper deletion request so people can comment! This is just clear abuse of {{No source since}}. Multichill (talk) 15:08, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

If they were sourced, would you undelete one so users like me can have a look? -- User:Docu at 15:13, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
I have some other samples. See the list. This abuse is more widespread than I thought :-(.Multichill (talk) 15:23, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
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  1293. File:-Kriek_Beer.jpg
  1294. File:StoogesIggyJames_RMatheu32773FordIggyJames.jpg
  1295. File:Dintilhac.jpg
  1296. File:Edson(2).jpg
  1297. File:Paltaboys.png
  1298. File:Adam563.jpg
  1299. File:Adam556.jpg

I'm not sure about this, but it seems that in earlier days uploaders were only stating that they held copyrights of an image. They didn't specifically state that they made it themselves. Frequently this is a problem when one wants to convert a description page to {{Information}} -- User:Docu at 15:34, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

(EC) The last two in the list, File:Adam563.jpg and File:Adam556.jpg, were tagged by me with nsd, because they weren't uploaded in 2006 but today. They have no real EXIF data and the source information originally provided by the uploader was "random", while author was "nil". So, when refering to these 2 files, I can't see any problem with tagging them as nsd. --Túrelio (talk) 15:38, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I would not call this "abuse". Taking random examples I found nothing that is not justified, in most cases the reason for tagging was obvious.
Reviewing only one of the deleted file you maybe disagree with the deletions mentioned in the initial posting. I agree with the deletions as all images are from User talk:Beachlife and I assume that both users, probably the tagger and for sure the deleting admin (I often enough saw his work on Category:Unknown) not only review one particular file but the batch of all contributions by this user. --Martin H. (talk) 16:45, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
I won't go through the whole list, but I see a few purple links here, so I guess I'm guilty of tagging a few of these, so I will explain my "destructive behaviour." :) However, on a more serious note, I will say that the {{Nsd}} is a speedy deletion tag, and it gets rather tedious if one has to explain every single obvious case in detail.
  • File:Imagen 072.jpg, File:Imagen_119.jpg, File:Imagen_210.jpg, File:Imagen_148.jpg, File:Imagen_186.jpg - PD-self declares that the uploader is the copyright holder. It does not state that the uploader is the author. The uploader may be the copyright holder of another author's work because it is a work for hire, because they're a legal heir of the author, or some other reason. As {{Nsd}} states, "the author and source of the file must be given". {{PD-self}} is not an author and a source. I'm willing to make exceptions for old uploads from trustworthy contributors, but this was uploaded in 2007, and as far as I recall from uploading files at that time, we did request information on authorship, which is not provided here. I tagged these after identifying File:Cruz de la libertad Haakon VII.jpg by the same uploader as a copyright violation and noting that File:Logo UV1.gif was missing permission information, which are factors not indicative of trustworthiness. These should have been deleted already.
  • File:Escudo potosi.gif - Uploaded in June last year. Google is not a source and Geocities is not the author of this heraldic weapon. What's the problem with taggin this as no source? This should have been deleted already.
  • File:Magic lamp.JPG - a file transferred to Commons in October last year by Pacoperez6 (talk · contribs), a user with a very long history of problematic uploads, of a file uploaded by en:User talk:Floyddcai3, who has also uploaded files with copyright problems. The upload at English Wikipedia had no source information, and the file appears to be a professional sports photo. This should have been deleted already.
  • File:Ryan Beckstrom.jpg - Uploaded in October last year. "Computer File" is not a valid source. What's the problem with taggin this as no source? This should have been deleted already.
  • File:Ramon Santamarina new3.png - Uploaded in May. As I wrote on the uploader's talk page: "You claim that this is a photograph of Ramón Santamarina, and that you created the photo in May of 2009, making you its author and copyright holder. However, according to es:Ramón Santamarina, he died in 1904. Do note that it is a criminal offense to make fraudulent statements about the authorship and copyright status of creative works, including works whose copyright protection has expired. If you are not the author of this work, please identify the actual source so that we can verify the actual details of the work." The uploader has not responded, and this should have been deleted already.
  • File:Laureana - Vecchio Nuovo Duomo1.jpg - uploaded in August. The postcards are obviously not the uploader's own work, and there is no information on who created them. This should have been deleted already.
  • File:Jaimenava.jpg - uploaded in August by an uploader with major copyright problems and claimed to be their own work. No truthful source information provided. This should have been deleted already.
  • File:MaxVolume.jpg - Uploaded in August. "Max Volume" is the supposed source and author and Mizchvus (talk · contribs) supposedly holds the copyright. Am I wrong for thinking this needs clarification?
—LX (talk, contribs) 18:29, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
As said above no concerns here, subst:nsd/npd/nld works with four-eyes principle - depending regretably on the activity of Admins and community members in Category:Unknown. However, a tip for LX: The first one you mentioned here, User:Lauto is free of even doubt. Different places but same cam, upload 2 days after creation according to EXIF. This ones should not, and will not Im sure, disappear in that abyss. --Martin H. (talk) 20:16, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
LX exactly points out the problem here. {{No source since}} is added to images where a source is given, just you don't trust it. Take for example File:SIWHA - Ziekenwagen 100 13.jpg, File:Trasa Podskarpowa obwodnica Stalowej Woli.jpg or File:Aerial View of Winter 2014 Applicant City- Sofia.jpg. How can a user ever fix this? Multichill (talk) 17:41, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
I fixed File:Aerial View of Winter 2014 Applicant City- Sofia.jpg by tagging it as a copyvio after identifying the real source, http://www.superbrasilia.com/aerialviews/sofia4.htm, complete with higher resolution and legible watermark. —LX (talk, contribs) 19:13, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
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