Commons:Deletion requests/File:PierreRepp-1953.png

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File:PierreRepp-1953.png

The source of this image is the cover of the EP Le fin diseur published in 1955. It is clearly still copyrighted in France (70 years, its country of origin. We can undelete it in 2051 when it enters in the US public domain. Günther Frager (talk) 19:15, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

•  Keep. No, this photography has been taken and published before 1954 for the show promotion poster in Paris and this file is under PD-France as a collective work. The record was reprinted later in 1954. As for other cases, please refer to this decision : https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_uploaded_by_Tisourcier. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tisourcier (talk • contribs) 19:10, 3 July 2024‎ (UTC)
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The source was https://www.cdandlp.com/pierre-repp/a-propos-des-trois-baudets-un-fin-diseur-bonne-annee/45t-ep-4-titres/r120048299/ and it is an LP published in 1955. Even, it it was published in 1954, it would be copyrighted in France until December 31, 2024. Moreover, as it was not in the public domain in France in 1996 it would be copyrighted in the US until 2051 in the US due to URAA. Note that the resolution of the mention DR was because there is a VRT from Harcourt. This photo is not a Harcourt photo. Günther Frager (talk) 19:29, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

No, this photograph has been taken and published without identification of the author before 1954 and this criteria is according to french regulation for PD-France as collective work. The reference is this book :

Alain Poulanges, Janine Marc-Pezet : Le Théâtre des Trois Baudets, Dumay Editions, 1994 (page 95).

If you can demonstrate any proof that this source is not relevant, please give your own source references. Without these, the PD-France applies. Tisourcier (talk) 19:54, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Read my comment again even if it was published in 1954 it would be copyrighted in France until December 31, 2024. You can read the law yourself [1]. And even, a poster published in France in 1950 and not simultaneously published in the US would have its US copyright resored in 1996 due to URAA. Günther Frager (talk) 20:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

No again, this photograph has been first published before 1954 (book reference source is given), so as collective work, it's still PD-France. Tisourcier (talk) 21:26, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

And does the reference state it was published simultaneously (within 30 days) in the US? Günther Frager (talk) 21:35, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

This second criteria that you indicate now, is out of the PD-France matters and Commons rules, so your request based only on this point is not relevant :

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Massive_restoration_of_deleted_images_by_the_URAA Tisourcier (talk) 21:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

You are citing a resolution that was discarded 10 years ago, it clearly states Note -- the above conclusion was superseded by Commons:Review of Precautionary principle; current policy is at Commons:Licensing#Uruguay_Round_Agreements_Act.. The licensing policy requires images to be in the public domain in its county of origin and in the US. Günther Frager (talk) 23:19, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

 Keep as per Commons:Deletion requests/Files found with insource:Harcourt 1954 and Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Tisourcier. Yann (talk) 07:47, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Yann this is not a photo by Harcourt, so there is no VRT ticket from a company saying their work is public domain. Günther Frager (talk) 08:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Ah OK. Yann (talk) 09:51, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

But this photography is collective work, taken before 1954, so it is PD-France and the URAA criteria can't be used as the only motive of deletion. Tisourcier (talk) 10:11, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

•  Keep Per Tisourcier. Collective work created and published more than 70 years ago, thus PD-France. - Groupir ! (talk) 23:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

 Question @Tisourcier: Why do you say this is a collective work? A court determined this for Studio Harcourt photos. And there was a second case about product photos of some web site selling sporting goods. But neither of these cases said that just any photo by a photo studio is a collective work, which is what you seem to imply. Also note that URAA-restored copyrights can be the sole reason for deletion. --Rosenzweig τ 13:26, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

See Commons:Deletion requests/File:Mine-deFunes-1934.png for a more detailed explanation of this angle. --Rosenzweig τ 13:34, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

No. The name of the photographer is not published. This photograph is from Studio Reflets wich is under collective work status. As Ruthven explained allready, URAA can't be the sole motive for deletion. Tisourcier (talk) 11:15, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

That a photographer is not named or that a photo is from a photo studio does not necessarily mean that it is a collective work. That is a rare status in French IP law, as explained in more detail in the other DR which I linked. And again, per Commons:URAA-restored copyrights, URAA can be the sole reason for deletion. --Rosenzweig τ 11:29, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

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Kept: per Tisourcier. Ruthven (msg) 11:27, 22 July 2024 (UTC)