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User:Deror avi wrote he was the author. This leads to the image being used here with the caption "Miriam by Deror Avi". Even if this is PD-Old or allowed by freedom of panorama (which I really doubt), this is not the correct attribution. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 22:24, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
- I took this picture - which means I can get attribution as a photographer. If this comment is not harrasment I don't know what is. (PS - the mosaic is PD as it is permenantly idsplayed in a public place. And also it is there more than 100 years - not that it is relevant in Israel.)Deror avi (talk) 18:25, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
- Some people are so easily harassed. But it is clear that Deror avi does not know much about the art he is making his pictures of. The church was completed in 1910, but this mosaic is more recent. It is rather unlikely that the copyright has expired. Requiring attribution for a simple photo while not caring about the creativity and painstaking work of the artist is a bit strange. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 18:42, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
- First - I told you - the mosaic is about 100 years old (it is 2009 now, if you haven't noticed), and second- it is not important in Israel when the mosaic is made. It was never copyrighted. Deror avi (talk) 18:58, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
- A wider view of the mosaic is File:Dormi IMG 2805.JPG. I would guess 1930's at the earliest. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 19:06, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
- First - I told you - the mosaic is about 100 years old (it is 2009 now, if you haven't noticed), and second- it is not important in Israel when the mosaic is made. It was never copyrighted. Deror avi (talk) 18:58, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
- Some people are so easily harassed. But it is clear that Deror avi does not know much about the art he is making his pictures of. The church was completed in 1910, but this mosaic is more recent. It is rather unlikely that the copyright has expired. Requiring attribution for a simple photo while not caring about the creativity and painstaking work of the artist is a bit strange. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 18:42, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
I found the author, Radbod Commandeur (1890 - 1955). According to the Israeli 2007 law section 46, the author's moral right is to have his name identified with his work during the entire period of copyright. So that is until 1955 + 70 = 2025. /Pieter Kuiper (talk) 21:53, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
- It does looks better when the creator of the mosaic is attributed, at least so satisfy the curiosity. The problem is when the author is unknown (as in the wall paintings in Acre), but fortunately, in Israel you don't have to know the original creator in order to take picture of his art. If the creator would contact me, I'd be happy to write his/her details. As for me, if I create an art and someone takes a picture of it - especially when he contacts me, or I find the picture and contact him - I'd be flattered, and ask to add my details, so people would contact me for more artistic works. For example, when I've heard one of Ivri Lider's songs, which was about getting out of the closet, I've contacted him in order to allow me to write the song's lyrics in a website I make for Tehila organization. He allowed me to copy the whole lyrics, and so I did, and credited him. Same with a magazine, which allowed me to cite two letters which I've also credited. I guess you'd agree that quoting a text is in higher level than taking a picture of an object, 3d or 2d. --Yuval Y § Chat § 01:22, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
