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Territorial dispute involving Ems/Dollart?
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An interesting map, but could anyone enlighten me as to a territorial dispute involving the Ems/Dollart region (or Eems/Dollard, in Dutch)? I'm Dutch, but I'm not aware of any conflict between the Netherlands and Germany over this area. Or any other area, for that matter: after WW II some minor areas (Elten, Tueddern) were annexed by the Dutch, but they have been returned later, and as far as I am aware, no hard feelings persist... Thanks in advance! MartinD 08:44, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- Hoi Martin! I created this map based on w:List of territorial disputes. After some searching it seems to me, that those conflicts (about natural gas?) were settled in the Ems-Dollard treaty of 1960 and some later treaties (1962, 1996). There is also a map indicating the common area. If you read German, this might be interesting. It is about a civil court case of Nederlandse Aardolie Maatschappij versus BEB Erdgas und Erdöl GmbH, German Shell and German Esso and as recent as 2000. Seems like this dispute is rather between companies than countries, so I guess it should be removed from the list and the map? Maybe a local knows more about it. Bamse 08:19, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- Hoi Bamse, thank you for your reply, and your research! My German isn't that good, but I understand from the verdict that these two treaties (the original one of 1960 and the supplementary one of 1962) were contracted (if that is what one does with treaties) for the purpose of settling a territorial dispute. Of course, this might not stop civil parties from getting entangles in questions about where a border exactly lies, especially if digging in one neigbour's back yard may yield lots and lots of natural gas.;) But in term of "territorial disputes": I would think that this phrase denotes a serious and usually persisting conflict between governments and/or nations, with a significant amount of "hard feelings", and quite possible occasion flare-ups of border troops shooting at each other, etcetera... It would seem here that this matter has been settled amicably, and I would think that it could be added to the list of "former territorial disputes".;) I'm afraid this local's knowledge is limited here: I was born in 1958. Best regards, MartinD 12:05, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
- I agree and removed this "dispute" from the map. Regards. Bamse 02:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- A territorial dispute settled in a peaceful way, great!;) Best regards, MartinD 10:33, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- I agree and removed this "dispute" from the map. Regards. Bamse 02:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
- Hoi Bamse, thank you for your reply, and your research! My German isn't that good, but I understand from the verdict that these two treaties (the original one of 1960 and the supplementary one of 1962) were contracted (if that is what one does with treaties) for the purpose of settling a territorial dispute. Of course, this might not stop civil parties from getting entangles in questions about where a border exactly lies, especially if digging in one neigbour's back yard may yield lots and lots of natural gas.;) But in term of "territorial disputes": I would think that this phrase denotes a serious and usually persisting conflict between governments and/or nations, with a significant amount of "hard feelings", and quite possible occasion flare-ups of border troops shooting at each other, etcetera... It would seem here that this matter has been settled amicably, and I would think that it could be added to the list of "former territorial disputes".;) I'm afraid this local's knowledge is limited here: I was born in 1958. Best regards, MartinD 12:05, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
