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:::::::Thanks for the kind words on the lede, [[user:Acroterion|Acroterion]]. [[User:Gentlecollapse6|gentlecollapse6]] ([[User talk:Gentlecollapse6|talk]]) 19:26, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
::::: 11 west, myself, and a few others dug into and hashed out a chronological and well sourced history for the etymology of the term "New Brutalism" and it's first usage for this article nearly a year ago. There is actually little corroborating evidence -from the era- to suggest that "New Brutalism" was derived from Beton Brut. There were a few lesser, competing theories but neither Asplund, the Smithsons, or Banham pointed to Beton Brut as the source (any more than Banham pointed to Art Brut, which he also associated with New Brutalism). The argument around Villa Goth revolved around the idea that "New Brutalism" and "Brutalism" were separate entities but, again, there was no evidence to support that [[User:Jtfolden|Jtfolden]] ([[User talk:Jtfolden|talk]]) 05:31, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
:In English speaking Europe, the Villa Goth is projects-style architecture, for a mid or small sized city or country town from seventies and eighties architecture. Without significant windows on the lower floor, it looks like the sort of place that would end up being a doctors office in a poor neighbourhood. Describing it as brutal is recognisable and class-independent speech over here. The word brutal, in this now peaceful society, is used specifically to describe something which causes an ordeal, across ''all'' of the various dialects. It is fair to disagree that the Villa Goth is brutal... but it is totally valid for the person who sees this building as, less than posh, to describe it as brutal, as a severe reprimand. It is not experimental speech and not even truly rude, though it is quite a strong opinion. I am not sure if I would describe it as brutal myself but possibly so and it certainly looks exactly like an unpopular style of cheap government-constructed building. Certain works of breton brut fit right in to that frame, and if you can't accept that, there is nothing to qualify an opinion of beauty. You say tomato, and I say tomato, as simple as that. I grew up for many years with buildings in similar style in view of my house. The last time I read about one of them in the news someone had been tied to a lamp post and tarred and feathered outside it for selling crack cocaine. He did not live there. He was brought there to do that to him. But go on, deny the past. Maybe they'll build whole neighbourhoods like this in America. Do you know what style came directly afterward? ''Habitat 67''... So, my motivations are clear, and your silencing opinions are bare, even if you can't stand to be disagreed with. The complaint is well founded. Do as you will. <span style="color: #8a87a6; font-size: 11px; font-family: Impact">~ [[User:RTG|R]].[[User_Talk:RTG|T]].[[Special:Contributions/RTG|G]]</span> 15:49, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
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