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== Neutrality disputed ==
This article reads more like an advert than an objective article, no critical views are given.
Guys, stop this edit war! I have to support Claudio in this case that the current (his) version is the most neutral by now. We provide information, not promotion! [[User:Night of the Big Wind|<font face="Old English Text MT"><font color="green">Night of the Big Wind</font></font>]] [[User talk:Night of the Big Wind|<font color="maroon"><sub><i>talk</i></sub></font>]] 14:07, 23 July 2011 (UTC)▼
:I undid the adding of Fiona Steward, as it is under discussion on the talkpage here, just under this contribution. Let us first talk about the need and use to add her, before doing so. [[User:Night of the Big Wind|<font face="Old English Text MT"><font color="green">Night of the Big Wind</font></font>]] [[User talk:Night of the Big Wind|<font color="maroon"><sub><i>talk</i></sub></font>]] 15:38, 26 July 2011 (UTC)▼
== Discussion opening ==
In my opinion several parts are not useful or even irrelevant for the article. I like to hear comments from others about this. Jabbsworth don't need to comment, I know he thinks it is relevant and important. [[User:Night of the Big Wind|<
=== Fiona Stewart ===
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# I prefer the present "Exit International, is a pro-euthanasia group founded by Dr. Philip Nitschke." Your proposal is too short, and lacks vital information. Jabbsworth proposal is too detailed, and stresses information of secondary importance. [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 16:36, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
#: Indeed, your proposal is better then mine. [[User:Night of the Big Wind|<
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=== Bilboard ===
Proposal to remove this picture as soon as possible. It is ugly and promotes the organisation. It adds nothing to the article. In my opinion the picture is a provocation which should be removed ASAP! [[User:Night of the Big Wind|<
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::::::A picture, meant to illustrate an advocacy group, just might caputure some of their advocacy. This proposition to remove makes no sense. [[User:Jesanj|Jesanj]] ([[User talk:Jesanj|talk]]) 15:30, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
* The billboard seems notable...<blockquote>''Plans by voluntary euthanasia advocate Dr Philip Nitschke to stage an advertising campaign have suffered another blow, with his billboard barred from public view.''<br/> ''Billboards Australia has written to Dr Nitschke's organisation Exit International, to highlight a section of the NSW Crimes Act which outlaws the aiding or abetting of suicide or attempted suicide.''<br/><small>- September 15, 2010: [http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/another-blow-for-euthanasia-campaign-20100915-15cfd.html Another blow for euthanasia campaign]</small><br/><br/>''Exit International also plans to display the billboard in Melbourne and Brisbane in the coming months. The source of the statistic is a 2009 Roy Morgan poll commissioned by the Voluntary Euthanasia Society of NSW, Dr Nitschke said.''<br/> ''A separate poll published by News Limited late last month suggested 78 per cent of Australians want the federal government to rescind laws effectively banning euthanasia in the territories.''<br/> ''Prime Minister Julia Gillard has promised a national debate on the issue.''<br/> <small>- October 4, 2010: [http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/euthanasia-billboard-approved-20101004-162x7.html Euthanasia billboard approved]</small></blockquote> I see no reason for removal. - [[User:ArtifexMayhem|ArtifexMayhem]] ([[User talk:ArtifexMayhem|talk]]) 01:43, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
=== Tentative conclusion ===
It seems editors endorse the article in its present form. I call upon Night of the Big Wind to accept the fact that the article in its present form conforms with Wikipedia standards, and to relinquish edit-warring. After that, the article could be unprotected. [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 16:49, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
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::What edits would you make to the article if it were unprotected? (It doesn't matter if you don't like something, but aren't going to do anything about it.) [[User:Jesanj|Jesanj]] ([[User talk:Jesanj|talk]]) 19:50, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:::That is a better question! Looking at Fiona Steward, there is a acceptable proposal of Debresser. Looking at the staff numbers, I still think it is too much to put in in the infobox AND in the text. In my opinion, less relevant info can also be put in the infobox alone, as it is now.
:::The billboard is more tricky. I suggest complete removal. The picture tells nothing new, but is highly political in message. It changes the article from a neutral description into a platform of promoting the cause and the organisation. So the picture is POV and it makes the whole article POV. [[User:Night of the Big Wind|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT; color:green;">Night of the Big Wind</span>]] [[User talk:Night of the Big Wind|<sub style="color:maroon;"><i>talk</i></sub>]] 23:12, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
:::: The question wasn't what your opinions are. They are well know from the above discussions. The question was what edits would you make to the article if it were unprotected in its present form, and at the present state of the discussion(s). [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 01:01, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
▲:::::Sorry, I
::::::So that we can get a consensus on this issue, I started[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ANeutral_point_of_view%2FNoticeboard&action=historysubmit&diff=442943498&oldid=442933474] a thread at [[WP:NPOVN]]. [[User:Jesanj|Jesanj]] ([[User talk:Jesanj|talk]]) 02:03, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::: Night of the Big Wind, before you ask return questions, perhaps you answer the question? Two editors have asked you for it. Your attitude isn't helping things here. My answer is that I would do nothing. In my opinion, this article is in accordance with Wikipedia's standards, e.g. acceptable as is. [[User:Debresser|Debresser]] ([[User talk:Debresser|talk]]) 22:15, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
===Unprotected===
[[File:Pictogram voting keep.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Unprotected'''<!-- Template:RFPP#unpr --> Ok, looks like you guys have come to a rough consensus, I will be looking more for blocks this time for anyone who wishes to disrupt the process, but if I deem it necessary, i'll slap the page protection right back up there. The key is not to edit war yourself, but to show that the user is editing against consensus and ask for some help. -- [[User:DeltaQuad|<span style="color:green;">DQ</span>]][[User_Talk:DeltaQuad|<span style="color:red;"> (t) </span>]] [[Special:EmailUser/DeltaQuad|<span style="color:blue;"> (e)</span>]] 00:31, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
== ABC 7.30 story ==
An article [http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-03/nitschke-criticsed-for-offering-support-to-a-suicidal-man/5570162 on ABC news] including a report from the respected 7.30 program is strongly critical of the group's provision of information (the peaceful pill handbook) outside the organisation's charter. Currently this is [http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/nitschke-obliged-to-curb-suicidal-urge/story-fn59niix-1226977124547?sv=31d41eb66fb5454fac16197b5d5f145a&nk=35090161f8ab4dffb712b1c663a05e34 in the Australian online], if any other reputable outlets pick the story up it may be worth publishing as it goes to the heart of the scope of the voluntary euthanasia movement. [[User:Aronzak|-- Aronzak]] ([[User talk:Aronzak|talk]]) 21:24, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
:There's also a [http://www.exitinternational.net/media/PRBrayley14.pdf media release from Exit International] on the issue, it could be a story of more outlets pick it up. [[User:Aronzak|-- Aronzak]] ([[User talk:Aronzak|talk]]) 21:44, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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