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:The 60k is the true Metropolitan Legend. The city had 25-30k inhabitants [http://www.google.com/search?hl=el&tbo=1&tbs=bks%3A1&q=voskopoje+banore&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= See Gjurmime Albanologjike] (which says that Athens and Belgrade at that time had 20k, so it's Ok I guess. --_{<span style="border:1.5px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sulmues#top|<fontspan style = "color:white;background:navy;">'''Sulmues'''</fontspan>]]</span>}^{<small>[[User_talk:Sulmues|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;"> Let's talk </fontspan>]]</small>} 20:31, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

:What's the meaning of the ancient Greek metropolis Alexi? --_{<span style="border:1.5px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sulmues#top|<fontspan style = "color:white;background:navy;">'''Sulmues'''</fontspan>]]</span>}^{<small>[[User_talk:Sulmues|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;"> Let's talk </fontspan>]]</small>} 15:42, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Referenced Elsie's review of Peyfuss: It's ''said'' to have contained 20-50k.--_{<span style="border:1.5px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sulmues#top|<fontspan style = "color:white;background:navy;">'''Sulmues'''</fontspan>]]</span>}^{<small>[[User_talk:Sulmues|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;"> Let's talk </fontspan>]]</small>} 15:57, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

:Can't see the full context of Peyfuss though. Elsie we can see in full. --_{<span style="border:1.5px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sulmues#top|<fontspan style = "color:white;background:navy;">'''Sulmues'''</fontspan>]]</span>}^{<small>[[User_talk:Sulmues|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;"> Let's talk </fontspan>]]</small>} 20:36, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moscopole&diff=next&oldid=372463418 this edit] seems to be of another opinion. The statistics on the bottom are clearly clashing with what the main text is saying currently. No one can be sure but we have to think about how many people were served by 24 churches. The number in my opinion is between 10k and 20k. --_{<span style="border:1.5px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sulmues#top|<fontspan style = "color:white;background:navy;">'''Sulmues'''</fontspan>]]</span>}^{<small>[[User_talk:Sulmues|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;"> Let's talk </fontspan>]]</small>} 13:13, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

:::That's fine with me. --_{<span style="border:1.5px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sulmues#top|<fontspan style = "color:white;background:navy;">'''Sulmues'''</fontspan>]]</span>}^{<small>[[User_talk:Sulmues|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;"> Let's talk </fontspan>]]</small>} 20:51, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Can someone do pics mgmt here? I don't want to stir up any controversy. --_{<span style="border:1.5px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sulmues#top|<fontspan style = "color:white;background:navy;">'''Sulmues'''</fontspan>]]</span>}^{<small>[[User_talk:Sulmues|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;"> Let's talk </fontspan>]]</small>} 16:04, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

:Although I might have been of a different opinion in the past, and the consensus might change in future, for now in my opinion we should keep Moscopole throughout the article. It's the name in Aromanian and the city gained its notability in the 18th century, when it was mainly a Vlach city. In addition per respect of what the Vlachs have given to Albania (and Greece for that matter), we should conserve the Aromanian name. --_{<span style="border:1.5px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sulmues#top|<fontspan style = "color:white;background:navy;">'''Sulmues'''</fontspan>]]</span>}^{<small>[[User_talk:Sulmues|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;"> Let's talk </fontspan>]]</small>} 13:03, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

:::I'm not saying that I will change opinion. I'm saying that consensus of other editors might substitute my opinion. --_{<span style="border:1.5px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sulmues#top|<fontspan style = "color:white;background:navy;">'''Sulmues'''</fontspan>]]</span>}^{<small>[[User_talk:Sulmues|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;"> Let's talk </fontspan>]]</small>} 23:04, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

:::::Alexi, get the facts straight and take the blinkers off your eyes. No one told me to take off all Voskopoje and substitute it with Moscopole. Panajot Pano has nothing to do with Moscopole. --_{<span style="border:1.5px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sulmues#top|<fontspan style = "color:white;background:navy;">'''Sulmues'''</fontspan>]]</span>}^{<small>[[User_talk:Sulmues|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;"> Let's talk </fontspan>]]</small>} 03:03, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

:Although you might not need my opinion, I doubt that many people have read the book. I have. It's a fictional book about characters of Voskopoje. The plot of the book spans for two centuries and evolves around the city. The artistic value in my opinion is not one of the highest: Ben Blushi, although son of a very notable children's writer, Kico Blushi, doesn't seem to be at the heights of his father in literature, and seems more versed in politics (he is number two of the [[Socialist Party of Albania]] (after [[Edi Rama]])). That's just my opinion, though. Still the book's main character is the city of Voskopoje/Moscopole and the description of the city's belle epoque and its decline. It describes how the first people of Moscopole started to become Muslim and how internal wars between Muslims and Christians led to the destruction of the city. The controversy that the book generated was clearly notable both nationally and internationally. --_{<span style="border:1.5px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sulmues#top|<fontspan style = "color:white;background:navy;">'''Sulmues'''</fontspan>]]</span>}^{<small>[[User_talk:Sulmues|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;"> Let's talk </fontspan>]]</small>} 13:00, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

:Why should it go Alexi? Give me other examples of literature on Moscopole and, if possible, enter them in that paragraph. It's not that we have hundreds of fictional books on the town and we should get rid of the bad ones. IMO it is notable and verifiable and should stay. --_{<span style="border:1.5px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sulmues#top|<fontspan style = "color:white;background:navy;">'''Sulmues'''</fontspan>]]</span>}^{<small>[[User_talk:Sulmues|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;"> Let's talk </fontspan>]]</small>} 13:11, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

:::I removed. If it's such a big deal, let's keep the poorest state of art. --_{<span style="border:1.5px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sulmues#top|<fontspan style = "color:white;background:navy;">'''Sulmues'''</fontspan>]]</span>}^{<small>[[User_talk:Sulmues|<fontspan colorstyle="color:green;"> Let's talk </fontspan>]]</small>} 13:47, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

:Well, galleries are a bit depreciated. Be sure to read [[Wikipedia:Galleries#Image_galleries|this]] before making an attempt at one. Best. --'''[[User:Laveol|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#007700;">L<fontspan colorstyle="color:#009900;">a<fontspan colorstyle="color:#00aa00;">v<fontspan colorstyle="color:#00cc00;">e</fontspan>o</fontspan>l</fontspan></fontspan>]] ^{[[User talk:Laveol|T]]}''' 18:04, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Maximilian Peyfuss, that is the most credible source for the printing press of Moscopole, shows how the hypothesis on two Gregory's has no scientific backing. Gregory Konstandinidis, later became the Metropolitan of Durrës, and that is stated by Zabiras who was ahis contemporary. [[User:Anna Comnena|Anna Comnena]] ([[User talk:Anna Comnena|talk]]) 22:07, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

::I will give e brief outline: In the case of Gregory the burden of proof falls on those who back the two-Gregories hypothesis. This second hypothesis was first made by Ivan [http://www.promacedonia.org/is2/is_2_8.htm#1_4 Ivan Snegarov in 1932] (p. 354–5), basing it on a thesome older notes by Zabiras (before 1804) where Gregory is mentioned in 18611761 and 18671767 ([https://books.google.be/books?id=87JSAAAAcAAJ 1872], p. 236, 244). After this, Albanian and Greek scholars have been following the same line of thought. However, in 1989 Max Demeter Peyfuss wrote a book on the printing press of Moscopole, becoming the main source for it and all ofthe publications made there. In it hePeyfuss shows how there is no scientific basis for claiming the existence of two Gregories in Moscopole at the same time. Furthermore, on Zabiras notes (shown above) both accounts lists books that are printed by the same person. Thus, giving the final proof that it is indeed only one Gregory.