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:::She contributes to a songwriting team, I don't see anything she has written on just her own. The others on the team are the professional songwriters, she is the singer who gives input as to what she wants them to write for her and gets a credit for that contribution. Per [[MOS:ROLEBIO]] songwriting is not an independent notable activity, it is just an adjunct to her notable career as a singer. [[User:Geraldo Perez|Geraldo Perez]] ([[User talk:Geraldo Perez|talk]]) 16:52, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
::::Footnote "b" in [[MOS:ROLEBIO]] states "In general, a position, activity, or role should not be included in the lead paragraph if: a) the role is not otherwise discussed in the lead (per MOS:LEAD, don't tease the reader), b) the role is not significantly covered in the body of the article, or, c) the role is auxiliary to a main profession of the person (e.g. do not add "textbook writer", if the person is an academic)." [[User:Geraldo Perez|Geraldo Perez]] ([[User talk:Geraldo Perez|talk]]) 18:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::I'm not educated enough to edit this part myself, but it's interesting how some female musicians like Sabrina Carpenter, who have songwriting credits on most of their music, for some reason aren't considered "legitimate" songwriters or singer-songwriters because they share writing credits with other songwriters on the majority of their tracks. Yet others, like [[Gwen Stefani]], [[Christina Aguilera]], [[Brandy Norwood]], and [[Dua Lipa]] are described as such, even though they also share songwriting credits in what we can assume is a similar manner. Even [[Olivia Rodrigo]], arguably Carpenter's closest contemporary, is described as a "singer-songwriter" without any dispute, despite not having a solo songwriting credit on her albums.
:::::Sure, there are decades of experience between artists like Carpenter and the likes of, say, [[Mariah Carey]]. But Carey has never had a solo songwriting credit on any song she's released, that I know of. Still, few nowadays would dare question her legitimacy as a songwriter, although she's said she feels underrecognized as one in the past. [[User:Changedforbetter|Changedforbetter]] ([[User talk:Changedforbetter|talk]]) 15:26, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
::::::A lot of the other singers with songwriter listed as a notable occupation in their bio likely shouldn't have that listed. It depends on the individual. Generally if a notable songwriter, that will be significantly covered in the article. Having a team writing all the songs makes it harder to justify. [[User:Geraldo Perez|Geraldo Perez]] ([[User talk:Geraldo Perez|talk]]) 17:46, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Jack Antonoff, her producer, talking about Sharpest Tool composition:
:::::::"It's really Sabrina I'm listening to in that song, and I'm not obsessing over my bits. I didn't write any lyric in that song. It was all her."
:::::::(link to the full article: https://time.com/7027160/jack-antonoff-interview-bleachers-sabrina-carpenter-taylor-swift/)
:::::::She is clearly writing her own lyrics and being regarded as a songwriter from Billboard and UMPG (https://www.umusicpub.com/fr/News/2023/10/UMPG-signs-Sabrina-Carpenter-to-exclusive-worldwide-publishing-agreement.aspx), and has a page for the songs that she's written ([[:Category:Songs written by Sabrina Carpenter]]). I fail to see why her songwriting legitimacy is still being questioned. [[User:Ereeleditor|Ereeleditor]] ([[User talk:Ereeleditor|talk]]) 21:55, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::also, here is the link to Sabrina debuting at #2 on the Billboard Hot 100 Songwriter's chart (not sure why this was removed).
:::::::https://www.billboard.com/music/chart-beat/amy-allen-number-1-songwriters-chart-sabrina-carpenter-hits-1235767998/
:::::::Here is the link of her continuing to chart at #2:
:::::::https://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100-songwriters/?rank=2 [[User:Ereeleditor|Ereeleditor]] ([[User talk:Ereeleditor|talk]]) 22:07, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Add a section to the article that talks to that then. If she is the lyricist as claimed on all her songs with the others on the team composing the music that should be sourced and described in the article to support adding it as a notable occupation to the intro. Basically what was missing was any description about what her actual contribution to the team was. [[User:Geraldo Perez|Geraldo Perez]] ([[User talk:Geraldo Perez|talk]]) 22:15, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
{{od}} Restored this from archive as issue still active. [[User:Geraldo Perez|Geraldo Perez]] ([[User talk:Geraldo Perez|talk]]) 05:26, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
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