Talk:St. Johns, Portland, Oregon
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Saint Johns or St. Johns?
This article was recently redirected from St. Johns to Saint Johns. The way I understand it, local usage has always been St. Johns. Is there any Wikipedia protocol for spelling out the names in article titles? One user has gone through and sorted all the place names in categories to "Saint" vs. "St." [1], which is OK, I guess, but I think the article title should reflect the most common usage. Any thoughts? If the redirect isn't reverted, the intro sentence needs to be changed to match the article title. See also: Talk:St. Johns Bridge. Katr67 02:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
- Hearing no discussion, I moved it back. If you feel I reached this decision in error, please discuss. Katr67 20:36, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I just wanted to point out that what is now the Cathedral Park Neighborhood was part of the incorporated area of the City of St. Johns before Portland annexed it. The Cathedral Park Neighborhood was carved out of the St. Johns neighborhood much later, in the 1970's I believe, during the period that the St. Johns neighborhood was run down and the landfill of the same name was in operation (now part of Smith and Bybee Lake park). As far as sources, I am going by the Sanborn Fire Insurance Map of St. Johns, Oregon, which is available on line through the Multnomah County Library.
Anyhow, that might be a worthwhile addition to the article to explain the common history of the Cathedral Park and St. Johns Neighborhoods by way of the Bridge name.
Or I could do it, but I don't want to step on toes changing the article without advanced discussion.
BTW, I lived at the corner of N. Seneca and N. Trumble for 5 years and patronized Duffy's (now the McM's St. Johns Pub) many years before that.
Dubhloaich 18:54, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
- Sounds very interesting. I like those old Sanborn maps. Don't worry about advanced discussion, because as we like to say, you should be bold about your edits. But asking is a very polite thing to do. Your changes don't sound very controversial--if you can back up your addition with cited and reliable sources, feel free to edit the article yourself. Welcome aboard! P.S. If you're into Oregon stuff, check out WikiProject Oregon. Katr67 19:31, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
As Dubhloaich says, Cathedral Park is part of the original town of St. John's. As far as I'm aware of it, it's still part of the St. John's neighborhood. I live in Cathedral Park, and I also live in St. John's. St. John's doesn't end at the border of Cathedral Park, it encompasses Cathedral Park. Does anybody object to changing the article accordingly? I see that Dubhloaich hasn't made the changes, and I recognize that the changes I'm suggesting are not quite the same. Anyway, I'll make the changes if it seems okay. Sylvia A (talk) 08:09, 8 December 2008 (UTC)