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===POV===
I have removed most of the material from the controversies section. There was not one independent source. [[User:Basileias|Basileias]] ([[User talk:Basileias|talk]]) 17:31, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
Regarding POV, the article itself reads like someone defending their favorite cult leader and the talk section doesn't dissuade me from that notion. While there are many neutral things supported as facts, the controversies section is way out of hand with over the top defenses. It just makes the accusers look justified. If you really care, note the controversies and a calm counterpoint and leave it at that. [[Special:Contributions/68.106.235.38|68.106.235.38]] ([[User talk:68.106.235.38|talk]]) 01:05, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
== Vandalism by Cultists ==
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The facts are simple:
*Dr. Martin completed all his coursework at New York University. ▼
*Dr. Martin spent much time teaching in churches (up to three times a week not including his own local bible class). ▼
▲Dr. Martin completed all his coursework at New York University.
*Dr. Marin decided to submit his dissertation to CCU, a school which offered part-time studies for those who have other commitments. ▼
▲Dr. Martin spent much time teaching in churches (up to three times a week not including his own local bible class).
*CCU was given accreditation by the sate of Californaia before Dr. Martin began his work. Which means his doctorate is valid. Simple.▼
▲Dr. Marin decided to submit his dissertation to CCU, a school which offered part-time studies for those who have other commitments.
*CCU was given national accreditation by the the Distance Education and Training Council which investigated CCU and concluded that its state accreditation was of a high standard and thus awarded national recognition. And that ALL of the courses it had offered were valid courses despite the claims of the vandal 50.39.181.30 (who said it was not accredited to offer a Comparative Religions course) who provided NO SOURCES WHATSOEVER. ▼
▲CCU was given accreditation by the sate of Californaia before Dr. Martin began his work. Which means his doctorate is valid. Simple.
▲CCU was given national accreditation by the the Distance Education and Training Council which investigated CCU and concluded that its state accreditation was of a high standard and thus awarded national recognition. And that ALL of the courses it had offered were valid courses despite the claims of the vandal 50.39.181.30 (who said it was not accredited to offer a Comparative Religions course) who provided NO SOURCES WHATSOEVER.
Two alternative arguments are presented by Cultists are as follows. CCU was a degree mill thus Marin's doctorate was not valid. This is simply ignoring the facts that it was accredited by the state and that it was investigated as part of a national study, who concluded the degrees awarded were of the same standard as nationally accredited schools.
The other argument is that CCU was not nationally accredited therefore his doctorate is invalid. The article makes clear that CCU was awarded national accreditation after his degree was awarded however to say that the state accreditation is insufficient to offer a valid doctorate is nonsense since most institutions rely on regional accreditation, especially since DETC disagrees with you. Furthermore don't these people realise that Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford and Chicago are all non-nationally accredited schools!
If you went to a high school accredited by California and graduated, do you have a valid qualification? Of course you do. No cultist would say you did'nt but since it has to do with a person whose work has lead to many cultists leaving their organisation, only then do they attack it. Clear Cultic mindset. Maybe some of these people should read >(Janice M. Karlen, Accreditation and Assessment in Distance Learning, Academic Leadership: The Online Journal, Volume 1, Issue 4, Fall 2003 (November 2003). "Most institutions rely upon one of the eight regional accreditation organizations for their accreditation status.")<
To fail to provide the facts above, only providing partial information (That CCU was not nationally accredited at the time of the degree, btw neither was Harvard) is simply dishonest and is merely an attempt to undermine his work. If you want to do that then fine, mislead people but don't do it on wikipedia. Do it on your Mormon, Jehovah's Witness, Christian science or Scientology website.
[[User:Kurioslesouschristos|Kurioslesouschristos]] ([[User talk:Kurioslesouschristos|talk]]) 09:21, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
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Some corrections and explanations.
California did not accredit California Coast University in 1974. California approved all of the academic content and all of the degree programs at CCU<ref> Bill Honig, Superintendent of Public Instruction, 26 February 1986 </ref>, in a state agency that discontinued operation in 2011, and was replaced by a new agency that has also given full institutional state approval to CCU. State approval is the world wide standard for education outside of the USA and a small number of other countries that fell under USA influence. Accrediting is a different category than state approval, and carries no legal authority except when and where state law is applied to it. California Department of Education issued a detailed explanation in writing about the legal and academic status of CCU<ref> California Education Code Section 94310(b) </ref> to any one who requested it, stating that CCU had full institutional approval, also the degrees were on equal legal standing with any accredited degrees that had met California requirements<ref> California Education Code 94336 </ref>, for example specialized professional accreditation or full institutional accreditation. Not all accredited degrees were legal or recognized in California<ref> California Education Code 94310(a) </ref>, as late as 1986, for example degrees from partially accredited institutions, and those with provisional accreditation that had not met additional requirements.
Doctor [[John Bear]] gave favorable reference to California Coast University in 1982<ref>{{cite book|last1=Bear|first1=John|title=Bear's Guide To Non-Traditional College Degrees - How To Get The Degree You Want|date=1982|publisher=10 Speed Press|location=Berkeley|page=87}}</ref> and 1984 at a time Doctor Bear was associated with a competing nontraditional university [[Columbia Pacific University]] which eventually lost it's state approval and was closed by California Court in 2000<ref>{{cite web|title=California Supreme Court Upholds Denial of Columbia Pacific University's Approval to Operate|url=http://web.archive.org/web/20070520155106/http://www.bppve.ca.gov/press_releases/cpuweb_dec2000.htm}}</ref>. The link to [[Columbia Pacific University|CPU]] gives useful insight to how state approval might be lost or gained, and how it differs from accreditation. [[User:Astrojed|Astrojed]] ([[User talk:Astrojed|talk]]) 02:23, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
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There is doubt about the area of specialization for the PhD degree. CCU does not give out personal information without a signed authorization. An unsubstantiated claim has been published that the doctorate was in comparative religion. Other people have not claimed to have that type of degree from CCU, where the four schools publicized at the time were Education, Psychology, Business, and Engineering (Management Option). The question remains unanswered, with speculation on other web sites that Education might have been the topic of the PhD degree, also other CCU graduates do not necessarily share Walter Ralston Martin's opinions about Mormons. Doctor Lee W. Ralston was Dean of the Education school at CCU, and a well known educator in California. Other references are few and unreliable for Wikipedia standards. Much of the controversy occurred after Lee Ralston died. California Laws were changing and the future of CCU was in doubt. National Accreditation of CCU changed the controversy making it more specific to Walter Ralston Martin and less about legitimacy of CCU. [[User:Astrojed|Astrojed]] ([[User talk:Astrojed|talk]]) 02:53, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
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