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Wikipedia has shown it has discriminatory actions against Macedonians time and time again, blocking my account is just further evidence of that. Systematic censorship is occurring here, and nothing is being done to stop its occurrence. Whoever is reading Macedonia related issues, I hope you take the time to read other sources outside of Wikipedia also and take the information here with a grain of salt.
*Please e-mail administrators associated with Macedonia related articles, and tell them to stop the agenda and ensure non-biased sources showing all views of the conflicts are protected and reflected in the articles
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You can always write it in way showing that he declares "ethnic Macedonian" but don't present it as a NPOV fact because they are people who disagree. I think you can figure out to say what you want without endless causing edit wars. Cooperation and understanding helps us all to solve our problems and not only in Wikipedia. I wish you a good night, it's already very late and I have to wake up early tomorrow. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 01:19, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|30px|]] You currently appear to be engaged in an [[Wikipedia:Edit war|edit war]]{{#if:Macedonians (ethnic group)|  according to the reverts you have made on [[:Macedonians (ethnic group)]]}}. Note that the [[Wikipedia:Three-revert rule|three-revert rule]] prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the [[Wikipedia:Three-revert rule|three-revert rule]]. If you continue, '''you may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing'''. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] among editors. If necessary, pursue [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]]. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|}}<!-- Template:uw-3rr --> '''[[User:Laveol|<
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== Macedonia ==
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200 hours for revert parole vio at [[Macedonia]]. [[User:Moreschi|Moreschi]] ([[User talk:Moreschi|talk]]) 20:57, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
== Ivitation ==
I will like to invite you somewhere,please contact me here sarafot@yahoo.com
[[User:Makedonij|Makedonij]] ([[User talk:Makedonij|talk]]) 16:24, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
== Image question ==
Can you please explain in what sense you believe [[:File:Greekrefugeemap.png]] is a case of {{tl|UN map}}? According to your own source note, it's from a copyrighted academic publication from a commercial publishing house. [[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Fut.Perf.]] [[User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise|☼]] 12:50, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
== Macedonians (Greeks) ==
About the article, I would like to say to you that Macedonians (Greeks) are not just a regional identity. They are a subnational division of the Greek nation, as Greek nation has been formed during the last 4.000 years. In Macedonia (Greece), the population is about 2.400.000 people. The native Macedonians (Greeks) are about 1.300.000 people. The others are descedants of refugees of 1922. There are also about 200.000 native Macedonians (Greeks), dispread in the other parts of Greece, mainly in Athens. There are also 1.200.000 descentants of native Macedonians (Greeks) abroad, in countries like U.S.A., Canada, Australia, Russia, Germany and others. Finally, there are native Macedonians (Greeks), left in northern parts of ancient Macedonia, in countries like Albania, Republic of Macedonia and Bulgaria, estimated in 200.000 people. You understand now, that Macedonians (Greeks) are about 3.000.000 people in total and I am one of them. We can't compare this group with "Aegean Macedonians", who they are about 20.000 people that left Greece after World War II, because they colaborated with the nazi. I think Macedonians (Greeks) are eligible for writing an article about us.Chrusts 09:44, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
== ArbCom ==
You need to familiarize yourself with [[Talk:Macedonia#Arbitration Committee member comment on changing names in other articles|this]] injunction from ArbCom that explicitly prohibits any page renamings until a ruling has been issued. Kindly undo yourself so I don't have to report you (which I would really rather not do). --[[User:Athenean|Athenean]] ([[User talk:Athenean|talk]]) 06:24, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
==They what?==
Did you say that "Greek secret services were caught trying to change WP policy"? LOL. Can you direct me to the sources that claim this? [[User:Politis|Politis]] ([[User talk:Politis|talk]]) 15:02, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:No sources for this one. This was directed at me. He doesn't like me that very much and wanted to make a personal remark. That's all. Unacceptable behaviour, but then again, I've learned not to expect better.--'''[[User:Laveol|<span style="color:#007700;">L<span style="color:#009900;">a<span style="color:#00aa00;">v<span style="color:#00cc00;">e</span>o</span>l</span></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Laveol|T]]</sup>''' 15:51, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
If you look at the Macedonia article, Future Sunrise makes a reference to it around the time the name of the article was discussed. Laveol, I meant every word... like I stated your goal is suppression and for you to play it cool doesn't make it any less truthful [[User:Mactruth|Mactruth]] ([[User talk:Mactruth#top|talk]]) 03:35, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
: ''I'' said that? LOL. Now, of course I am myself a member of the Greek secret service, so I ought to know [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_cabals#Wikipedian_Greek_Chauvinist_Junta], but other than that I really have no idea what you are talking about. :-) [[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Fut.Perf.]] [[User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise|☼]] 07:38, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
== Blocked ==
Mactruth, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise&diff=prev&oldid=292369601 this] edit is quite unacceptable, as I am sure you were fully aware when you made it. I am blocking you for a week. [[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Fut.Perf.]] [[User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise|☼]] 15:53, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
:Worth it, meant every word. Will you ever reply to my post on your wall? [[User:Mactruth|Mactruth]] ([[User talk:Mactruth#top|talk]]) 03:33, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
== Carte ethnographique de l'Europe centrale et des états Balkaniques - La Science et la Vie 1918, P.jpg ==
Could you make a list of what the various colours mean in the legend if you still have the resource available? the resolution isn't very good. [[User:Sadads|SADADS]] ([[User talk:Sadads|talk]]) 00:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
== Macedonian Greeks ==
Excuse me, what do you exactly dispute in [[Macedonians (Greeks)]]? The Greek character of the [[Hellenistic civilization]]? - [[User:Sthenel|Sthenel]] ([[User talk:Sthenel|talk]]) 22:45, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
:Do you understand English or not? I'm talking about the first citation that you ask for, regarding the culmination of the Greek influence in the east following Alexander's conquests. This is not something that needs a citation, the Greek influence was undeniable. Answer in the article's talk page. - [[User:Sthenel|Sthenel]] ([[User talk:Sthenel|talk]]) 00:22, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
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== Mike Vrabel ==
Hi! How do you know Mike Vrabel is a Macedonian? I really need to know this. Can you tell me where you heard that? The only thing I found was that he is German actually. Pozdrav! [[User:Makedonia|Makedonia]] ([[User talk:Makedonia|talk]]) 22:08, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
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==Before, for the Greeks, it was only 'Macedonian'==
You are absolutely right, the term 'Greek Macedonian is a new phenomenon'. Before the current debate over the name issue, they called themselves Macedonians because it was understood that Macedonians were Greeks. Just look at 17th or 19th century Greek theologians, authors, etc who called themselves Macedonian and wished to defend mother Greece against the (Ottoman) Turks. [[User:Politis|Politis]] ([[User talk:Politis|talk]]) 20:39, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
If you trust original sources then you will discover that it was Greek-speakers who self-identified as Macedonian until the middle of the 19th century. Of course, today many different people have the right to call themselves Macedonians. Some speak Slavic dialects, some speak the official Makedonski, some speak official Greek, some speak Pontian Greek, etc. I respect your identity, but some of the sources and arguments from the links that you give are found in places like maknews and they are false. But I agree with some of your own observations. [[User:Politis|Politis]] ([[User talk:Politis|talk]]) 11:07, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
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== Left a note you might be interested in at the ==
[[Talk:Prespa_e_Vog%C3%ABl_and_Golloborda#The_split_tag]]. Best! [[user:sulmues|sulmues]] [[user talk:sulmues|talk]] --Sulmues 20:52, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
==Sources==
I know what you mean. The point about sources is that we can select those that benefit our arguments, but also we interpret them in a way that benefits our argument. When a traveller is in the region in the 1630s, it does not mean he is an expert. For instance, British journalists were in Republic of Macedonia during the Albanian conflicts but I think they got it wrong. [[User:Politis|Politis]] ([[User talk:Politis|talk]]) 16:14, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
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== hello ==
hello. i am from korea. i read about ancient greece for school.
i am confused. why do some people call them macedonian but they are not greek? in our books here we see it is a place in greece and ancient greece city.
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== December 2010 ==
[[File:Information.svg|25px|alt=|link=]] Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of [[Special:Contributions/Mactruth|your recent edits]], such as the one you made to [[:Macedonia naming dispute]], did not appear to be constructive and has been [[Help:Reverting|reverted]] or removed. Please use [[Wikipedia:Sandbox|the sandbox]] for any test edits you would like to make, and read the [[Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Welcome to Wikipedia|welcome page]] to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-vandalism1 --> [[User:A Macedonian|A Macedonian, a Greek.]] ([[User talk:A Macedonian|talk]]) 07:15, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
[[File:Information.svg|25px|alt=|link=]] Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at [[:Macedonia naming dispute]]. Your edits appear to constitute [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|vandalism]] and have been [[Help:Reverting|reverted]] or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the [[Wikipedia:Sandbox|sandbox]]. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-vandalism2 --> ''Rv per [[WP:RS]]'' [[User:A Macedonian|A Macedonian, a Greek.]] ([[User talk:A Macedonian|talk]]) 07:23, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
:It was constructive, evidence shows Macedonians were not invented, simply because you want to use select sources does not indicate the whole story. Also, I have used sources for the statements added. Please make valid arguments instead or whining. [[User:Mactruth|Mactruth]] ([[User talk:Mactruth#top|talk]])
:Google books are a valid source, maybe u should look at the sources before deleting them? [[User:Mactruth|Mactruth]] ([[User talk:Mactruth#top|talk]]) 07:27, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
::Some books on Google books are considered reliable sources, while others are not. No comment on the rest of your sources... [[User:A Macedonian|A Macedonian, a Greek.]] ([[User talk:A Macedonian|talk]]) 07:30, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
:Andrew Rossos is a valid source and you no it. antonio milososki is a reliable source considering it is based on what the ethnic Macedonia VIEW IS. [[User:Mactruth|Mactruth]] ([[User talk:Mactruth#top|talk]]) 07:36, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
::They are both biased: read Rossos's books and see for yourself; and [[Antonio Milososki]] is the current minister of foreign affairs of the Republic of Macedonia! By definition a POV source! So please keep a NPOV provided by [[WP:RS|reliable]] sources! [[User:A Macedonian|A Macedonian, a Greek.]] ([[User talk:A Macedonian|talk]]) 07:52, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
[[Image:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px|alt=|link=]] Please [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks|do not attack]] other editors, as you did here: [[:User talk:A Macedonian]]. If you continue, you may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing Wikipedia. <!-- Template:uw-npa3 --> [[User:A Macedonian|A Macedonian, a Greek.]] ([[User talk:A Macedonian|talk]]) 07:50, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Copying ==
Hello there! I've been watching you copying the style of my user page for the last couple of weeks, I have to admit I find it most amusing. It must be a tradition for you people to copy things from Greeks and others, right? Keep up the good job! [[User:A Macedonian|A Macedonian, a Greek.]] ([[User talk:A Macedonian|talk]]) 06:35, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
:It is entertaining that you say Macedonians copy "Greeks", you think it is not well documented that mentioning "Macedonian" indicated oil down your mouth? How about you read on the trillions of dollars spent on propaganda over the last 20 years by your government in order to denounce the Macedonians. It may very well be a reason why your county is begging for the EU to bail it out now, but you already know this since you are one of those paid to spread more propaganda.
:Even the Vlachs look down at Greeks stating Macedonia would not even be a part of Greece today if it wasn't for them. Before the Megali Idea introduced by a non-Greek, ancient Macedonians were viewed as destroying Greek culture and there is plenty of proof that Greek historians at that time felt the same way. Even after the Megali Idea, there were Greek militants and historians showing that Macedonians were present and were their own ethnic group. There is a reason why the "Makedonika language" was not understood by Greek militants.
:Macedonia and Macedonians was Slavicized a long time ago, having the two cultures mix into one. Identification based on religious affiliation does not denounce Macedonian claim to being partly descendant from ancient Macedonians. Most of the Greeks living in Macedonia are descendent's of refugee who didn't speak Greek, let alone Macedonian. They were put in Macedonia in order to "make it Greek"/Hellenize it. Those people native to Macedonia were Hellenized through the church, school and terror. You are a descendant of these people, who always go back 2,000 years to make there unrealistic dreams of identity come true, while ignoring the last 200 years. [[User:Mactruth|Mactruth]] ([[User talk:Mactruth#top|talk]]) 04:02, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
::Enjoy reading my user page, I updated it just for you. Much more to come, because we both know these non-biased sources cannot be used in Wikipedia without it being removed instantaneously by the likes of your people. [[User:Mactruth|Mactruth]] ([[User talk:Mactruth#top|talk]]) 05:24, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
== January 2011 ==
[[Image:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|alt=|link=]] This is your '''last warning'''; the next time you make [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks|personal attacks]] on other people, as you did at [[:User talk:Mactruth]], you may be '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing without further notice'''. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people.<!-- Template:uw-npa4 --> [[User:A Macedonian|A Macedonian, a Greek.]] ([[User talk:A Macedonian|talk]]) 08:15, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:User:Mactruth]]==
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:I just want to let you know why I nominated your User page for deletion. While there's no problem including details of your ethnic/national/cultural origins (in fact, I think it's good to do so, as it helps show the diversity of Wikipedians), a lot of that page appears to be derogatory criticism of other ethnic groups, which is really not in keeping with Wikipedia's ethos of collegial editing for the good of human knowledge. -- [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 11:27, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
==Advice about your userpage==
Another admin declined the speedy deletion - I would have declined too, as it doesn't fall into what I would class an attack page, more a statement of how you view things. However, I note you have a few comments about it. If it starts arguments, then you may find it preferable to modify it in order to prevent issues for yourself. I also note your comments about websites and reliable sources - I dare say you've tried the reliable sources noticeboard....? [[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 11:53, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
== Discussion at [[WP:ANI]] ==
OK, the speedy deletion of your User page was declined - and after some further thought I think that decision was correct (as it is not "wholly" an attack page). However, I do think some parts of it constitute unacceptable attacks on Greece, Greeks, and on some unnamed Wikipedia editors, and it shows you approaching Wikipedia with a [[WP:BATTLE|Battlefield]] mentality rather than in accordance with Wikipedia's ethos of collegial editing for the furthering of human knowledge. I have raised a discussion at [[WP:ANI#User:Mactruth]], which I hope you might take some note of, and perhaps act on. -- [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 12:15, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
:PS: Just a disclaimer - I have no ethnic or other connections with Greece, Macedonia, or any other places in that sadly strife-ridden part of the world. -- [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 12:17, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
===Blocked===
Further to the above-mentioned [[WP:ANI#User:Mactruth|ANI thread]], I've '''blocked your account indefinitely'''. It seems that you are here to further ethnic conflict rather than build an encyclopedia, and you've had a number of blocks and warning about this before. You have also been notified of [[WP:ARBMAC]] so you were aware of the consequences of doing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AMactruth&action=historysubmit&diff=408342859&oldid=407388347 this] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMactruth&action=historysubmit&diff=408351654&oldid=407430405 sort] of thing.
If you wish to appeal your block you can use the {{tl|unblock}} template, though please first read our [[WP:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]] to make sure that your request helps your case. [[User:EyeSerene|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#4B0082">EyeSerene</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:EyeSerene|<span style="color:#6B8E23">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:14, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
== Unblock appeal ==
{{unblock reviewed| reason=I am requesting an unblock, while I agree that changing "A Macedonian, A Greek" to "A Christian refugee wishing he was a Macedonian" was a bit extreme, I was doing it because it was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mactruth#Copying instigated] by [[User:A_Macedonian]]. My user page is my views and uses unbiased books as sources, and has similar format to [[User:A_Macedonian]] user page, which also post provocative statements like "I speak Greek like Alexander the Great did, not a modern '''Bulgaro-Serbian Slavic language''' like Gjorge Ivanov does." I posted these sources on my page because even though these statements are not written by Macedonians (unbiased) they are not allowed to be used as a source on Wikipedia pages. I would contribute to Wikipedia if the sources used were not deleted immediately by Bulgarians and Greeks. Administrators should remove biased sources while insuring unbiased sources remain in the pages, something that [[User:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise]] has failed to do. This is an issue most Macedonians have with Wikipedia, it is not simply I. [[User:Mactruth|Mactruth]] ([[User talk:Mactruth#top|talk]]) 20:36, 17 January 2011 (UTC)|decline=The criteria for reviewing a block is very narrow - you need to show that, if unblocked, you're unlikely to repeat the behavior that caused your block in the first place. Your comments in general, and this unblock request in particular, demonstrate that your are intent on continuing an ethnic conflict. Indeed, if we parse down your unblock request to only those statements relating to your behavior, we are left with the following: ''"I am requesting an unblock..."'', which is problematic. I will note my review in the ANI thread, for the record. [[User:Ultraexactzz|UltraExactZZ]] <sup> [[User_talk:Ultraexactzz|Said]] </sup>~<small> [[Special:Contributions/Ultraexactzz|Did]] </small> 21:16, 17 January 2011 (UTC)}}
:I think some of your User page comments take the battlefield mentality up a level. As I said in the ANI report, [[User:Mactruth#How propaganda works]] is attacking Greece and Greek Wikipedia editors, and [[User:Mactruth#Articles of irresponsible treatment of Macedonians by Greece]] is another attack on Greece. I'm not an admin, but I'd expect to see some backing down from those and some commitment to cease the ethnic infighting and the deliberate battlefield mentality, and to engage in collegial editing - but having had a look back at your history, I really think that ethnic battling is your only aim here -- [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 20:49, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
::It doesn't matter whether it is up a level, the bottom line is Greeks have a battlefield mentality also that is ignored on Wikipedia, 2 examples:
:::[[User:A_Macedonian]] states: "I speak Greek like Alexander the Great did, not a modern '''Bulgaro-Serbian Slavic language''' like Gjorge Ivanov does." It is also worth noting that this persons' username is "A Macedonian" yet he signs as "A Macedonian, A Greek" in order to provoke.
:::[[User:Sthenel]] states: "This user would support a solution of the Naming Issue for FYROM in the form of: '''Vardarska'''."
::The [[User:Mactruth#Articles of irresponsible treatment of Macedonians by Greece]] articles were placed there because they were not allowed to be added to the [[Macedonia name dispute]] article, while many articles bashing Macedonia was allowed.
::The [[User:Mactruth#How propaganda works]] article was written in order to make admins aware that propaganda sites were being used and allowed by admins:
:::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Distribution_of_Races_on_the_Balkans_in_1922_Hammond.png Macedoniaontheweb]
:::[[Macedonia_(region)#References]] promacedonia
::It is not my aim to "cause ethnic fighting", it is my aim to make sure sources showing all sides of the story are being used. But I must ask, why is a Macedonian the only one being punished when it is evident that Greeks are also trying to stir ethnic fighting? [[User:Mactruth|Mactruth]] ([[User talk:Mactruth#top|talk]]) 03:17, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Mactruth, read [[Macedonian language]] before accusing me: ''South Slavic branch of the Slavic branch of the Indo-European family of languages. The closest relative of Macedonian is Bulgarian [...] The next closest languages are Serbian, Bosnian and Croatian (once collectively known as Serbo-Croatian).'' I choose to use just the two main languages to define Macedonian language and disambiguate it from the unrelated ancient Macedonian language and that’s what Macedonian language is, so that’s what it is, deal with it. Furthermore, I never “tried to stir ethnic fighting” as you claim, that’s something you always did and a brief look at your history can easily verify this. To remind you, you are the one who started copying the style of my user page on December 25th and changed it in such way, creating those problems of yours. About my signature, you should be the last one to protest, since I have the exact right in self-identification as you do! [[User:A Macedonian|A Macedonian, a Greek.]] ([[User talk:A Macedonian|talk]]) 06:44, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
:::: Would it have been so hard to call it, I don't know, maybe "'''modern Macedonian language'''" to differentiate it from ancient Macedonian language? An absurd "reason" does not justify your actions. Face it Wikipedia is discriminative towards Macedonians, you are allowed to spread all the propaganda you want on your page, while I post a few sources on mine and I get banned immediately without having the opportunity to respond? very sad day for Wikipedia, I understand blocking sources that were written by nationalistic Macedonians, but I posted a ton of non-biased non-Macedonian origin sources. Based on their reasoning you should be blocked also, but the absurd polarity is shown with their decision-making. [[User:Mactruth|A native Macedonian]] ([[User talk:Mactruth#top|talk]]) 07:18, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
== Unblock appeal 2 ==
{{unblock reviewed | 1= I am willing to be productive to Wikipedia if the administrators insure non-biased sources can be used on Macedonia related pages. It is embarrassing for Wikipedia to allow these sources to be deleted just because they show a Macedonian view that goes against Greek or Bulgarian views. This is where you guys have failed, and why Wikipedia has become polar towards Macedonia related pages to be anti-Macedonian. Having a user like user:A Macedonian spreading as much propaganda and hatred on his page, going as far as stating the Macedonian language is a "Bulgaro-Serbian Language" and then making up an absurd reason to cover his tracks, while blocking me infinitely for the same actions shows how polar against Macedonians Wikipedia is becoming. You don't want me posting articles on Greek misbehavior against Macedonians? Well I'm sorry but those events did occur but the Greeks have been trying to deliberately block those sources from being put in Wikipedia pages, hence the reason why I put it on my page. You don't want me to post "How Propaganda Works"? Well get your act together when it comes to source usage on Wikipedia, propaganda forums of Greek and Bulgarians are being used as sources in Wikipedia and the administrators are allowing this to happen. A native Macedonian (talk) 07:47, 18 January 2011 (UTC) | decline=You seem to be under the mistaken belief that you have the ability to dictate the conditions of your unblock. Yuo will either edit collegially, using reliable sources, and seeking [[WP:CONSENSUS]] (using [[WP:DR]] when required]], or you will not edit. This same rule applies to everyone. Using [[WP:NOTTHEM]] when your own actions have been problematic shows a severe lack of understanding yourself, and the core policies of Wikipedia. ([[User talk:Bwilkins|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;">talk→</span>]]<span style="border:1px solid black;">''' [[User:Bwilkins|BWilkins]] '''</span>[[Special:Contributions/Bwilkins|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;">←track</span>]]) 12:55, 18 January 2011 (UTC)}}
:Yet more personal attacks by Mactruth... [[User:A Macedonian|A Macedonian, a Greek.]] ([[User talk:A Macedonian|talk]]) 11:29, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
::[[WP:BAITING|You're not helping, A]]. — <b>[[User:HandThatFeeds|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:DarkBlue;cursor:help">The Hand That Feeds You</span>]]:<sup>[[User talk:HandThatFeeds|Bite]]</sup></b> 13:19, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
== Unblock appeal 3 ==
{{unblock reviewed| reason=To the administrators, I would like this account closed. After viewing the events of these past view days, it has become obvious what is occurring here on Wikipedia. You want Macedonians to debate with Greeks/Bulgarians on Macedonia related articles, yet the administrators act like debate hasn't been tried before. Greeks/Bulgarians will delete and block any source, even unbiased ones, if they are deemed against their views. The administrators do not protect the users against the "bullying" of controlled censorship that is occurring, instead it is encouraged by the administrators for using double standards, deleting a Macedonians account while allow a Greek to use blatant racism here on Wikipedia. This is a disgust and an embarrassment to Wikipedia's purpose. [[User:Mactruth|Mactruth]] ([[User talk:Mactruth#top|talk]]) 04:15, 19 January 2011 (UTC)}}
{{facepalm}} There was no reason to frame this rant as an unblock request. You're already blocked indef. Accounts are never "closed" on Wikipedia. So, if you just stop visiting, it's the same as if it were "closed." — <b>[[User:HandThatFeeds|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:DarkBlue;cursor:help">The Hand That Feeds You</span>]]:<sup>[[User talk:HandThatFeeds|Bite]]</sup></b> 13:13, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
: Ok. maybe this "administrator" of yours [[User:A Macedonian]]can deal with the Greek history and be an "expert" in the field although i don't know what's his history degree. but tell him to stay out of Macedonian, Aromanian, Albanian and Bulgarian related articles. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/212.13.86.194|212.13.86.194]] ([[User talk:212.13.86.194|talk]]) 07:32, 20 January 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::Isn't it interesting how [[User:A Macedonian|this user]] and [[user:Jingiby|this user]] always are on the Macedonia related pages? The PhilHellenic [[User:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise|Future Sunrise]] allows Bulgarian and Greeks to harass Macedonians even when using non-biased sources, stating we are vandalizing the pages by using unbiased sources? Clearly an agenda is occurring here on Wikipedia, and I suggest the more Macedonians that recognize this, the better. I was blocked even though [[user:A Macedonian|this user]] committed [[Wikipedia:BAITING|Baiting]] and his racist views stating the Macedonian language is "Bulgaro-Serbian Language" is allowed to stay on Wikipedia. When I put sources on my page that are unbiased to refute this, I am BLOCKED INDEFINITELY! The propaganda is so tremendous I cannot even put sources on my '''USER PAGE''' let alone on Macedonia related articles. The administrators claim we are not discussion the sources, but we have already tried that and the Greeks and Bulgarians will ensure that no source refuting their claims are used on Wikipeda. A shame in freedom of speech, a shame on open knowledge, and a manipulation of history is at work, and administrators are helping it. [[User:Mactruth|A native Macedonian]] ([[User talk:Mactruth#top|talk]]) 03:08, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
== Official unblock appeal 3 ==
{{unblock reviewed | 1=I have viewed my ANI discussion and feel I could benefit the Wikipedia community. I will removed the statements that caused provocation when unblocked, mainly the "Macedonian mistreatment by Greece" and "How Propaganda Works" section, and any other sections which was felt to go to far. Though it is true I was provoked, I should have notified the correct peoples instead of warring but I did not know who to contact. Thank you for your time. A native Macedonian (talk) 21:31, 1 February 2011 (UTC) | decline=This is an arbitration enforcement block and can only be appealed as described at [[WP:AEBLOCK]]. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<span style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Sandstein '''</span>]]</span></small> 23:18, 1 February 2011 (UTC)}}
[[User:Sandstein]] If I could write on your wall I would have a discussion with you but I am trying to state that discussions have occurred in the past and I have tried compromising with issues but again valid sources are not being used by Bulgarians/Greeks while valid sources used by Macedonians are being removed if they do not coincide with their views. Please simply view one of my many discussions to see what is going on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bulgarian_dialects#Discussion Future Perfect Sunrise is very biased against Macedonians, and he is in a position which promotes less source diversity being used in Macedonia based issues. [[User:Mactruth|Mactruth]] ([[User talk:Mactruth#top|talk]]) 17:14, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
:Here is another discussion which I was attributed too, and in the end the nonbiased sources I used were ignored: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Demographic_history_of_Macedonia#Jingiby But according to Future Perfect at Sunrise I did not discuss and am one of the most [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive666#User:Mactruth unproductive agents]? Please explain to me why I was not allowed to reply to that thread before I was blocked? [[User:Mactruth|Mactruth]] ([[User talk:Mactruth#top|talk]]) 20:29, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
::Please read the response to your unblock request. You can '''only''' be unblocked by [[WP:AEBLOCK]] requests. Nothing can be done for you through this page. — <b>[[User:HandThatFeeds|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:DarkBlue;cursor:help">The Hand That Feeds You</span>]]:<sup>[[User talk:HandThatFeeds|Bite]]</sup></b> 21:59, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
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