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The result was '''keep''' [[User:Shii|Shii]] [[user_talk:Shii|(tock)]] 04:11, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
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Non-notable commercial product, fails [[WP:GNG]].
This is a part of a gaming set, and while the gaming set itself may well be notable ( I haven't checked it), this expansion set is not. The references are either to fansites (which fail [[WP:RS]]) or to the game's publisher ''Wizards of the Coast'' (which is not an independent source). [[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 05:56, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
*'''See also''' related discussion at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arabian Nights (Magic: The Gathering)]]. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 06:16, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' [[Magic: The Gathering]] is definitely notable as the first [[collectible card game]]. Regarding the expansions, there is an article for almost every set, and many of them are in similar shape. See [[Template:MTG navbox]] for a list. --[[User:jonny-mt|<span style="color:#297AA3">'''jonny'''</span>]]-[[Special:Contributions/jonny-mt|<span style="color:#A3293D">'''m'''</span>]][[User talk:jonny-mt|<span style="color:#3DA329">'''t'''</span>]] 10:11, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
**I haven't examined the notability of the main article, but it is probably a different case. The matter of it being the first collectible game is an assertion of ''importance'', rather than of ''notability''. A quick glance at [[Magic: The Gathering]] shows that although it is flooded with refs to the company's website, it does appear to have enough independent refs to satisfy [[WP:GNG]].<br />As to expansions, I will check out the others and may do a group AFD nom for them all. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 13:04, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
*'''See also''' group nomination of other articles on MTG expansion sets at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Invasion (Magic: The Gathering)]]. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 14:34, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' See comments on other articles [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Invasion (Magic: The Gathering)|nominated]] for deletion. There is no longer "an article for almost every set." There is an article for every block (recently consolidated); each block includes three expansions. [[User:Leitmotiv|Leitmotiv]] ([[User talk:Leitmotiv|talk]]) 16:02, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
*'''Keep All''' SqueamishOrange's comments in the omnibus nominations above apply here - ''[[InQuest Gamer]]'' and ''[[Scrye]]'' extensively covered each and every set of Magic, including retrospectives for early releases such as these, and they were the two premier publications in the card-gaming industry in the 1990s; coverage has only increased since then as the game has become even more popular. Plenty of secondary source material here, even if that is not evident in the current revisions for some of these articles. [[User:Chubbles|Chubbles]] ([[User talk:Chubbles|talk]]) 16:14, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
*'''Merge to [[Magic: The Gathering early expansions]]:''' Yes, the article needs more sourcing. Yes, there's content that can be salvaged. No, it doesn't deserve its own article anymore than the recent expansions do (see the RfC at [[Talk:Ice Age (Magic: The Gathering)]] for why they don't anymore). <small>Yes, I've been toying with proposing that merge for a month now, and this seems as good a time as any</small><span style="border:1px solid;background:#800080">[[User:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00">p</span>]][[User talk:Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">b</span>]][[User:Purplebackpack89/C|<span style="color:#FFCC00;">p</span>]]</span> 17:02, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
:<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Games|list of Games-related deletion discussions]]. [[User:Gene93k|• Gene93k]] ([[User talk:Gene93k|talk]]) 15:48, 4 October 2013 (UTC)</small>
*'''Keep''' I read [[Scrye]] starting with the first issue, and the early issues definitely provided significant coverage even of the Magic sets that came out before the magazine started being published. I believe [[InQuest Gamer]] also covered the earliest sets. [[User:Calathan|Calathan]] ([[User talk:Calathan|talk]]) 23:15, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' per comments in the related AfDs. [[User:Hobit|Hobit]] ([[User talk:Hobit|talk]]) 23:05, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' (Cross-posted to [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Invasion (Magic: The Gathering)]]) Though it pains my little fanboy heart, these standalone articles are not appropriate for inclusion in Wikipedia. The articles are almost exclusively sourced from the [[Wizards of the Coast]] homepage and the blogs/Tumblrs/etcetera of the designers and staff that worked on the product, which means they are not third-party sources and therefore cannot be used as [[WP:SOURCE|reliable sources]]. To respond to the comments saying we should keep these because Wikipedia is a good source of this information, I'd like to point you to the [http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/ MTG Salvation Wiki] as well as [[WP:PPOV|this list of arguments to avoid in deletion discussions]] and rationales why they are not useful. Also, [[WP:OTHERSTUFF]].
:A portion of the content could be merged into the [[Magic:The Gathering|main article]]. --[[User:jonny-mt|<span style="color:#297AA3">'''jonny'''</span>]]-[[Special:Contributions/jonny-mt|<span style="color:#A3293D">'''m'''</span>]][[User talk:jonny-mt|<span style="color:#3DA329">'''t'''</span>]] 01:44, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
::You may want to review your vote. Since nomination, all the articles now have on average 2 "third-party sources" as references, some as many as 5. Plenty more can be added. [[User:Leitmotiv|Leitmotiv]] ([[User talk:Leitmotiv|talk]]) 02:36, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' per comments in the related AfDs. --[[User:Phyrexian|Phyrexian]] [[User talk:Phyrexian|ɸ]] 20:20, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
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