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He has a strong POV that [[Rajput]]s have no relation with ''Rajputra''. Last year, he [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rajputra&diff=prev&oldid=1171863842 tried to re-create a separate page] titled "Rajputra" despite the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rajputra community's decision] to keep it as a redirect. His only motive behind that move was to push the agenda that "Rajput" and "Rajputra" are two completely different concepts, though almost all secondary and tertiary sources disapprove what he believes. Blinded in his [[WP:OR]], he is eager to ditch the reliable sources. [[User:Dympies|Dympies]] ([[User talk:Dympies|talk]]) 18:56, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
===Proposed topic ban on Adamantine123 from caste topics===
{{atop|result=There is rough consensus that '''[[User:Adamantine123|Adamantine123]] is [[WP:TBAN|topic banned]] from [[caste]], broadly construed'''. There was no mention of an appeal time frame in the discussion, so I am going with the [[WP:SO|standard offer]] – at least six months. <b>[[User:HouseBlaster|House]][[Special:Contributions/HouseBlaster|<span style="color:#7D066B;">Blaster</span>]]</b> ([[User talk:HouseBlaster|talk]] • he/they) 05:25, 25 October 2024 (UTC)}}
The above comment by {{noping|Adamantine123}} that "{{TQ|In my opinion, these three users {{noping|Abhishek0831996}}, {{noping|Dympies}} and {{noping|Ratnahastin}} are too much concerned about the Rajput caste and are surely related to this caste (having some [[WP:COI]]) as we can see by warring attitude displayed by them in linking this caste to some sort of kings or nobles. Clearly, this is creating issue with their [[WP: Neutrality]]. Hence, all three should be topic banned from Rajput caste page}}"[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1250354226] alone justifies a topic ban for their blatant violation of [[WP:ASPERSIONS]], [[WP:NPA]] and [[WP:AGF]]. This happened after they were recently warned for the similar violations[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Adamantine123&diff=prev&oldid=1249099003] after falsely accusing another editor of canvassing.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2F1970_Bhojpur_uprising&diff=1249103149&oldid=1249101763] As such, I propose a '''topic ban from anything related to [[caste]]''' for {{noping|Adamantine123}}. [[User:Abhishek0831996|Abhishek0831996]] ([[User talk:Abhishek0831996|talk]]) 07:23, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Not only what has been mentioned above but he has been making reverts by relying on misleading and combative edit summaries.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rajput&diff=prev&oldid=1248244515] Such [[WP:BATTLEGROUND]] mentality should not be tolerated. [[User:Dympies|Dympies]] ([[User talk:Dympies|talk]]) 07:46, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
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*'''Support''' : Per diffs presented in and under this proposal, and in particular [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=1250942795&oldid=1250932343 this diff] presented by Orientls. The fact that Adamantine123 continues to display battle ground mentality despite a topic ban proposal and heavy examination of their behaviour in this thread makes it clear to me that Adamantine123 is unable to work collaboratively, and a topic ban is warranted right now to minimise their disruption on caste articles. [[User:NXcrypto|<span style="color:#004400;">'''Nxcrypto'''</span>]] <small><small>[[User talk:NXcrypto|Message]]</small></small> 15:00, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Undoubtedly required as the most lenient sanction for this behaviour. [[User:ArvindPalaskar|ArvindPalaskar]] ([[User talk:ArvindPalaskar|talk]]) 12:44, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' – Adamantine123 has been a prolific editor for multiple years in a couple of highly contentious areas, namely caste and Indian politics. Looking at the above proposal, I can't find a reason to topic-ban them.{{pb}}Adamantine123 proposed a topic ban on Abhishek0831996, Dympies and Ratnahastin. The three editors in turn proposed/supported a topic ban on him. Ratnahastin and Dympies were topic-banned for Rajput/Caste-related stuff in the past, but their topic bans have been lifted around [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1192548555#Topic_ban_appeal 10 months] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1241568664#TBAN_appeal:_Dympies 2 months] ago respectively. So Adamantine123 should focus on their edits, rather than on them. Even the "opinion" that they have "some WP:COI" should be avoided unless it can be proved. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_Rajputs&diff=prev&oldid=1177536803 Based on a diff provided above] by Adamantine123, I would suggest Abhishek0831996 to simply provide reliable sources, rather than making such claims.{{pb}}The three editors and the remaining ''Support'' !voters are repeating similar claims against Adamantine123. Regarding [[WP:BATTLEGROUND]], Adamantine123 has merely four comments in this thread and three of them are given to clarify their stance. This is anything but WP:BATTLEGROUND. In fact, after clarification, they have already disengaged. Note that they make multiple edits to complete their comment, as it must be very challenging to provide diffs, etc. in one go using a mobile. Regarding [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1970 Bhojpur uprising|the AfD]], Adamantine123 should have refuted [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/1970_Bhojpur_uprising&diff=prev&oldid=1248367086 Dympies' !vote] and moved on. Regarding the surname lists mentioned above, none of them are BLP violations, as I explained in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1251674345 my previous comment here].{{pb}}Finally, Adamantine123 should "discuss edits, not editors" and avoid [[WP:BAIT|taking the bait]]. - [[User:NitinMlk|NitinMlk]] ([[User talk:NitinMlk|talk]]) 12:53, 17 October 2024 (UTC)▼
▲:The three editors and the remaining ''Support'' !voters are repeating similar claims against Adamantine123. Regarding [[WP:BATTLEGROUND]], Adamantine123 has merely four comments in this thread and three of them are given to clarify their stance. This is anything but WP:BATTLEGROUND. In fact, after clarification, they have already disengaged. Note that they make multiple edits to complete their comment, as it must be very challenging to provide diffs, etc. in one go using a mobile. Regarding [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1970 Bhojpur uprising|the AfD]], Adamantine123 should have refuted [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/1970_Bhojpur_uprising&diff=prev&oldid=1248367086 Dympies' !vote] and moved on. Regarding the surname lists mentioned above, none of them are BLP violations, as I explained in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1251674345 my previous comment here].
▲::Adamantine123 is attacking editors by speculating their [[caste]], falsely accusing them of a COI and then double downing with such absurd comments. You cannot pretend that none of this did not happen. I would rather prefer a topic ban from the whole [[WP:ARBIPA]] for this bad behaviour. [[User:ArvindPalaskar|ArvindPalaskar]] ([[User talk:ArvindPalaskar|talk]]) 13:03, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
▲:::I am not pretending anything. In fact, I discussed exactly these points. - [[User:NitinMlk|NitinMlk]] ([[User talk:NitinMlk|talk]]) 13:19, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
▲::::Then why are you falsely claiming that no bad behavior from Adamantine123 took place when it happened on this very thread[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=1250354226][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Diff/1250805700] and resulted in this proposal? [[User:ArvindPalaskar|ArvindPalaskar]] ([[User talk:ArvindPalaskar|talk]]) 14:10, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Adam's actions on Caste system topics have compromised all viewpoints of people learning about the dangers under the system. [[WP: BATTLEGROUND]] will not be tolerated.
:[[User:Ahri Boy|Ahri Boy]] ([[User talk:Ahri Boy|talk]]) 14:33, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
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