Talk:Peace Cup

Unencyclopedic WP:EMBEDed list

Per template:cleanup-laundry: this lengthy list of lists "contain items which are not notable, encyclopedic, or helpful. Please help out by removing such elements and incorporating appropriate items into the main body of the article." I've therefore moved it her onto talk. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 13:07, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Participating teams

Peace Cup

Peace Cup 2003

Group A

• Besiktas of Turkey
• Seongnam Ilhwa Chunma of South Korea
• Kaizer Chiefs of South Africa
• Olympique Lyonnais of France

Group B

• 1860 München of Germany
• Nacional of Uruguay
• Los Angeles Galaxy of the United States
• PSV Eindhoven of the Netherlands

Peace Cup 2005

Group A

• Seongnam Ilhwa Chunma of South Korea
• Olympique Lyonnais of France
• Once Caldas of Colombia
• PSV Eindhoven of the Netherlands

Group B

• Boca Juniors of Argentina
• Real Sociedad of Spain
• Sundowns of South Africa
• Tottenham Hotspur of England

Peace Cup 2007

Group A

• Bolton Wanderers of England
• Chivas de Guadalajara of Mexico
• Seongnam Ilhwa Chunma of South Korea
• Racing Santander of Spain

Group B

• Reading of England
• Olympique Lyonnais of France
• River Plate of Argentina
• Shimizu S-Pulse of Japan

Peace Cup 2009 Andalucia

• Real Madrid C.F. of Spain
• Sevilla Fútbol Club of Spain
• Olympique Lyonnais of France
• Liga Deportiva Universitaria de Quito of Ecuador
• Juventus of Italy

Peace Queen Cup

Peace Queen Cup 2006

Group A

• South Korea
• Brazil
• Italy
• Canada

Group B

• Australia
• Denmark
• United States
• Netherlands

Peace Queen Cup 2008

Group A

• Canada
• South Korea
• New Zealand
• Argentina

Group B

• United States
• Brazil
• Australia
• Italy

[End of list of lists Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 13:07, 16 January 2009 (UTC) ]

Lack of encyclopedic content

WP:NOT: "News coverage can be useful source material for encyclopedic topics, but not all events warrant an encyclopedia article of their own. Routine news coverage of such things as announcements, sports, and tabloid journalism are not sufficient basis for an article."

This article is however nothing but a regurgitation of "routine news coverage" -- who played, who won. It contains no information on the prominence and historical development of the tournament, its place in international soccer and how participants are chosen, or anything else that is encyclopedic or helpful to a reader wanting to understand the topic. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 13:40, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree and will nominate the article for deletion. Redddogg (talk) 15:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Prominence/prestige of this tournament

Recent withdrawals provide glaring evidence that this tournament is given low priority by competing clubs. It would also seem to imply that the answer to the question of "how participants are chosen" is most probably 'whoever they can get'. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 00:51, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

The 'whoever they can get' view is also supported by the fact that a number of the teams they originally chose having problems qualifying for Champions League, which implies that they're on the second tier of top clubs. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 04:26, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Merger proposal

It is proposed that 2009 Peace Cup be merged into this article as:

1. Except for a cut and paste from the 'Peace Cup 2009' section of this article, the content is unsourced and (per WP:IINFO) unencyclopaedic (being simply empty tables set up for the future "Routine news coverage of such things as … sports" results). WP:MERGE#Rationale #1 'Duplicate', #2 'Overlap' therefore clearly apply.
2. The topic does not have "significant coverage" conferring notability.
3. It is simply a recreation of Peace Cup 2009, which was itself merged here as non-notable.

Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 03:45, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Err you should relax the 2009 Peace Cup is fine 82.249.213.239 (talk) 18:24, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Errr, you should address the arguments (and merge criteria) stated in the merger proposal, not simply state that you WP:ILIKEIT. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 19:00, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

are you DELETING it or MERGING it? 60.234.80.110 (talk) 21:49, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I have merged it. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 04:52, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

1. The content is sourced. It is current event. They are not just empty tables.
2. The topic covers significant coverage conferring notability which is the competition itself(matches & results).
3. Duplicate does not apply because there are no two or more pages on exactly the same subject and having the same scope.

Overlap does not apply because there are no two or more pages on related subjects that have a large overlap e.g. FIFA World Cup and 2010 FIFA World Cup 60.234.80.110 (talk) 21:58, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

It is a current non-event that is receiving no coverage beyond "Routine news coverage of such things as … sports" (and then almost solely in soccer-results websites). Comparing the Peace Cup, an obscure and largely ignored invitational pre-season friendly with the World Cup is ludicrous. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 04:52, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

It is inappropriate for a major tournament like this to have its yearly articles merged into the parent ones. You are drastically misreading NOTNEWS. This tournament is receiving ONGOING coverage. NOTNEWS is for a one-off event, which the Peace Cup is certainly not. Unilateral mergers of articles over objections hardly seems like a necessary course of action. matt91486 (talk) 00:41, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Completely disagree with any merger. We should be facilitating expansion of an article. There may or may not be additions that are not needed but when it all comes down to it, this is the perfect example of what editors can do if they care enough about subject material to make an article. It would be best to monitor it and make sure it stays within the scope of the guidelines but I cannot even fathom why it would be appropriate to disregard it to the extent proposed here or in related discussions. This is the exact opposite of WP:OTHERSTUFF. Imagine if someone actually worked on Myanmar Football Federation or any other neglected footy related article with some effort. I recommend adding some collapsible tables to make it easier on the eyes then get some of the prose in.Cptnono (talk) 06:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

no. of teams

It was announced that the number of teams will again be 8 from 2011 competition. So I changed the box and intro, mentioning the exception in 2009.-rokengalan (talk) 07:44, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

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