Talk:Shiv Sena
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Feedback from New Page Review process
editI left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: this probably needs to be a disambiguation page now
Requested move 11 November 2024
edit- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa (talk) 06:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Shiv Sena (1966–2022) → Shiv Sena – Need discussion for undiscussed move to this current title Shiv Sena (1966–2022). This article may be the primary topic for the name "Shiv Sena", even if the party has been split into two. Natg 19 (talk) 21:43, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Note: Noticeboard for India-related topics has been notified of this discussion. Natg 19 (talk) 18:23, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Note: WikiProject Politics has been notified of this discussion. Natg 19 (talk) 18:30, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support It was recently moved and was an undiscussed controversial page move. Anyone who says "Shiv Sena" is obviously referring to pre-split. - Ratnahastin (talk) 05:21, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support per WP:COMMONNAME. 203.115.73.205 (talk) 12:43, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Andrewa/sandbox&oldid=1258715699 for the rather messy history. Andrewa (talk) 06:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Ratnahastin: Request to keep discussions open at-least for a week and provide references and citations before making major moves. Please re-open to the discussion. Thank you. --AbhiSuryawanshi (talk) 22:13, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Clarification
editIn 2022, the Election Commission of India (ECI) recognized Eknath Shinde as the leader of the original Shiv Sena, granting his faction the party's name and the "bow and arrow" symbol. Consequently, no new party was created for Eknath Shinde; he inherited the existing Shiv Sena.[Reference] Meanwhile, Uddhav Thackeray's faction was assigned a new name, 'Shiv Sena (Uddhav Balasaheb Thackeray),' and a new symbol, the 'flaming torch' (mashaal). Therefore, it's appropriate to include the developments from 2022 onwards as a subsection within the existing Shiv Sena article, rather than creating a separate section. --AbhiSuryawanshi (talk) 21:57, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Clarification on Shiv Sena dispute
editIt might be confusing for average readers and editors regarding the recent developments in the Shiv Sena party. To clarify the situation, I am sharing some key facts along with reliable references and citations to help others understand the main issue.
Legal Resolution of Dispute
editThe recent Shiv Sena controversy was not a traditional party split, but a legal dispute resolved by the Election Commission of India (ECI): ECI granted Eknath Shinde's faction the original Shiv Sena name and "Bow and Arrow" symbol[1] Uddhav Thackeray's group became a new party: "Shiv Sena (Uddhav Balasaheb Thackeray)" with "Flaming Torch" symbol[2]
Reasons for ECI Decision
editShinde's faction had majority support in legislative wing (76% vs 23.5%)[3] Decision based on Supreme Court precedents emphasizing majority principle[4]
Key Points
edit- Shinde retained original Shiv Sena identity and properties (i.e Shiv Sena).
- Thackeray's faction is a new party, not a sub-party of Shiv Sena. i.e (Shiv Sena UBT)
- The dispute was resolved legally, not through a voluntary split.
I hope this provides some clarity and context --AbhiSuryawanshi (talk) 23:06, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- ^ "Eknath Shinde faction is real Shiv Sena: Election Commission". India Today. 2023-02-17. Retrieved 2023-11-23.
- ^ "Uddhav Thackeray's Shiv Sena faction gets new name, symbol". The Hindu. 2022-10-10. Retrieved 2023-11-23.
- ^ "Explained: Why Election Commission recognised Eknath Shinde faction as real Shiv Sena". The Indian Express. 2023-02-18. Retrieved 2023-11-23.
- ^ "ECI order on Shiv Sena dispute". Election Commission of India. 2023-02-17. Retrieved 2023-11-23.