Talk:Somatic experiencing

bias in this article

Since it’s not possible to edit this article, I would like to address a few things:

1.       The scoping literature review from 2021 has been misquoted. The result was this: “Findings provide preliminary evidence for positive effects of SE on PTSD-related symptoms. Moreover, initial evidence suggests that SE has a positive impact on affective and somatic symptoms and measures of well-being in both traumatized and non-traumatized samples. […] Yet, an overall studies quality assessment as well as a Cochrane analysis of risk of bias indicate that the overall study quality is mixed.”

However, when I tried to correct it, it was immediately reverted under the pretense that it didn’t appear to be constructive.

2.       Experimenter’s bias is a general problem in empirical studies on psychotherapy and to be neutral, it shouldn’t be used to only make the kind of therapies look unscientific that wikipedia editors don’t approve of. It would be much more constructive to just inform about every type of therapy and add some info on the bias in empirical studies, especially as the effect of psychotherapy also depends on the individual therapist - client relationship regardless of the approach. Also, it is common for therapists to combine different approaches, f. ex. SE with CBT, SE with familiy systems therapy, EMDR with CBT etc. and it should be up to the reader of these articles to decide what makes sense to them and what doesn't.

Here are some analyses addressing the problem of bias and limitations of different therapies:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0272735811001395

Ioannidis JP. Most psychotherapies do not really work, but those that might work should be assessed in biased studies. Epidemiol Psychiatr Sci. 2016 Oct;25(5):436-438. doi: 10.1017/S2045796015000888. Epub 2016 Mar 8. PMID: 26952766; PMCID: PMC7137590.

Corrigan FM, Hull AM. Neglect of the complex: why psychotherapy for post-traumatic clinical presentations is often ineffective. BJPsych Bull. 2015 Apr;39(2):86-9. doi: 10.1192/pb.bp.114.046995. PMID: 26191439; PMCID: PMC4478904.

van der Kolk BA. Clinical implications of neuroscience research in PTSD. Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2006 Jul;1071:277-93. doi: 10.1196/annals.1364.022. PMID: 16891578.

https://jonathanshedler.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Shedler-2018-Where-is-the-evidence-for-evidence-based-therapy.pdf

3.        I find it interesting that after merging Peter A. Levine with Somatic Experiencing, there is no mention of his credentials, f. ex. that he has a PHD in medical biophysics and one in psychology, that he was a stress consultant for NASA, served on the APA “Presidential Initiative on responding to large scale disasters and ethno-political warfare”and his work has been widely acknowledged by other psychotherapists. For example, he has received a lifetime achievement award by the psychotherapy networker and one by the US association for Body Psychotherapy as well as the honorary Reiss Davis Chair in Child Psychiatry. One might think that all of this was left out to discredit his work.

https://www.somaticexperiencing.com/about-peter

https://www.psychnetworker.org/2022/networker-lifetime-achievement-award/

https://usabpmembers.net/about-us/usabp-pioneer-awards/lifetime-achievement-award/

https://2021.traumasummit.com/speaker/peter-levine/

4.       Stephen Porges has already addressed the criticism and even though not everything included in the Polyvagal Theory has been proven, that doesn’t make the therapy method Somatic Experiencing “fringe science”, otherwise every type of psychotherapy should be labelled as such, since the developers of other approaches haven’t been able to prove all their assumptions either.

https://www.polyvagalinstitute.org/background

5.       The fact that body psychotherapies are put under the same category as conspiracy theories doesn’t make any sense unless most wikipedia editors are immensely biased regarding somatic psychology and trauma therapy. Psych-luck (talk) 09:00, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Edit: After reading articles about the Skeptics movement and wikipedia, now I understand why it's so hard to edit articles on trauma therapy.

Somatic Experiencing Trademarked?

I was making some edits in this article and noticed variation in how "Somatic Experiencing" is spelled so I changed it all to Somatic Experiencing". After doing more research I've noticed it is also trademarked. Some of the sources that do trademark the therapy could be bias. I was wondering if someone could advise on the spelling and also if a trademark does need to be added? Connorcp (talk) 10:38, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Merge proposal

As Peter A. Levine is known primarily for this technique, and this article already has much on him, a merge for context and overlap seems warranted. Indeed, for a few years it was a redirect; I suggest that a better solution would be to have a distinct section for the biographical details of Levine here, integrating his work with the rest of the content on this page. Klbrain (talk) 00:06, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

I support that. ---Avatar317^(talk) 00:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

I have left the page's creator a message suggesting they add sources to show that he is notable independently from somatic experiencing. In its current state, I would support a merge, leaving a redirect with possibilities. Mgp28 (talk) 17:52, 29 August 2024 (UTC)