24dot

Welcome

I'll welcome myself since, if I don't, someone else will come along and put tons of baloney at the beginning of this page. --24dot (talk) 18:57, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

About Ckatz

Please drop it. There was already a disamg. page, no need for two.Abce2|This isnot a test 14:35, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Your comments have been addressed in the proper thread at User_talk:Ckatz#SG1. You may need to look here since Ckatz has a tendency to delete unfavorable comments from her own Talk page.

• Ckatz deletes comment, 'Ckatz has a long history of disruptive deletions'
• Ckatz deletes comment, 'Ckatz is really a very bad administrator with very vindictive attitude'
• Ckatz deletes comment, 'Ckatz should stop claiming imaginary "vandalism"'

--24dot (talk) 16:36, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I would delete those as well. They were nothing more than attacks.Abce2|This isnot a test 21:53, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

The deleted comments were not profane or ad hominem attacks. While User:Abce2 may be in agreement with User:Ckatz on the matter, I believe that few other experienced Wikipedians would have felt the need to delete such comments from their Talk pages. I believe Ckatz's deletions indicate a pattern of suppressing unflattering comment that Ckatz has continued as recently as yesterday and even a few minutes ago. --24dot (talk) 22:19, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

So according to you, it was wrong of me to:

• delete abusive comments from a known spammer and sockpuppeteer; and
• advise you to post your "unflattering comments" about me on the main AN/I page (where they'll be read) rather than in an archive (where they won't)

How does that make sense? --Ckatz^chat_spy 22:46, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

I'd object to being called a "known spammer and sockpuppeteer", but you've demonstrated that you dismiss the valid objections of others. Casual browsers who've come upon this thread should be assured that 24dot is neither a spammer nor sockpuppeteer, and has been called many other names by Ckatz. I may accept Ckatz' invitation to open a new ANI regarding her soon. For now, I'd like to pursue some productive edits... --24dot (talk) 22:07, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Why are mentioning yourself in third person?Abce2|This isnot a test 01:47, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Your most recent comment at ANI

Your recent comment at ANI has been removed, only because it was posted to the archived discussion page. Editors are asked not to add material to archive pages, but instead to post to the main ANI page. If you need assistance with this, I can certainly help. For your reference, the edit in question is available here. --Ckatz^chat_spy 16:36, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I understand criticism is unpleasant, Ckatz, but that shouldn't affect the way a conscientious editor (or "admin") chooses to enforce Wikipedia policies and practices. I've reinstated your surprisingly selective deletion. --24dot (talk) 16:50, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm not really sure what part of my post above you are unable to comprehend. I'll spell it out for you:

• I informed you that editors are asked to not add material to talk page archives
• I explained that follow-up posts should be added to the main ANI page
• I offered to help if you needed assistance
• I provided a link to the post for your reference

Not really sure how this is "selective deletion", given that you're the only person today who erroneously posted to the archive talk page. --Ckatz^chat_spy 16:56, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Your deletion was "selective" because you didn't delete the other non-archived part of the same thread (by Peter Napkin Party Dance), which my edit actually SURROUNDED. One might infer that your edit was intended only to edit out my specific comment. Surely you'll acknowledge that your history shows a tendency to delete Talk comments which mention your failings (see [1][2][3]).

Regardless, the thread was not moved because it was closed, it was moved because it was "really long" for the main page. It's entirely appropriate to continue such a thread with a new section below that which has been "archived". I regret that this sounds snarky, but I'd have thought a conscientious "admin" would have known that. --24dot (talk) 17:40, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Just saying, you don't edit archived pages. Abce2|This isnot a test 22:25, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Astute Wikipedians will notice that I did not edit archived material. --24dot (talk) 22:19, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, you did. Would you like a link to it?Abce2|This isnot a test 12:25, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Complaining

I notice that you have a number of complaints regarding Ckatz, and you may think that by repeating them you will eventually make some point. However, the regulars here are extremely used to the fact that administrators who actively combat misguided editors or spammers or vandals or POV pushers are frequently the target of complaints. It goes with the job: if an administrator actively cleans Wikipedia, they will upset a bunch of people, and some of those people will push back. I am posting this comment not so much for you but for others who may review the history of your talk page because I have reviewed several of your complaints and found them to be the result of misunderstanding how things work on Wikipedia. In particular, simple repetition of opinions without any evidence is totally ignored by all experienced Wikipedians (for example, this edit has zero content). It is also totally mistaken to edit an archive just to add another complaint, and you should be aware (see WP:TALK) that users are fully permitted to remove any comment from their talk page with no explanation. Complaining that your complaints have been removed from a user's talk page simply alerts Wikipedians that your original complaints are probably baseless as well (which they are). Johnuniq (talk) 01:10, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

At first, I thought it would be amusing to delete this comment from my Talk, seeing as how it's "fully permitted" to do so. I don't recall saying that it broke a rule, just that it seemed wrong. I still think it seems wrong, and I have no plans to follow the examples of persons who undo the work of others. --24dot (talk) 22:01, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Alan Grayson

There is nothing wrong in being bold, but if you are reverted then please follow the bold, revert, discuss cycle. thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 20:05, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:BOLD,_revert,_discuss_cycle Here is a link for you to have a read, thanks Off2riorob (talk) 20:06, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. I created the section with an introductory paragraph then went to work elsewhere on populating it. When I had written the body, I again clicked "Edit" and just pasted it in without checking the history or anything. My mind didn't even register that my intro paragraph was gone since it was also part of what was pasted. I'm happy to wait for Talk consensus, but I don't anticipate substantive objections to a neutral discussion of the matter. See also Talk:Alan Grayson\Controversial statements. --24dot (talk) 20:30, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

No worries, thank you for opening a discussion on the talk, I don't support your proposed edit as lists of controversial comments is a poor way to populate a encyclopaedic biography, but lets see what comments are left. Off2riorob (talk) 20:41, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

teleprompter

Given your sources, I now would vote to include the teleprompter discussion. Let's see if we can get some consensus on the talk page.--Louiedog (talk) 21:47, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

War on Women

If it comes back again, start a complaint at WP:ANI. Carrite (talk) 17:48, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi, 24dot; just read your section that mentioned the "Death Panel" article. WOW. One of the worst WP articles I have ever seen, and has all the untenable problems we are trying to avoid in War on Women. The Death Panel article editors (PS the factual inaccuracies are too numerous to mention, for instance, the term was used back in the 90's in the Clinton Health care debate, and meaning the exact same thing. Ron Paul and other Libertarians have used it for years, meaning the same thing. Palin may repeat it more than anyone else, but she didn't come up with it) seem to, ON BOTH SIDES, treat it as if the meme is true or not, that the MEME is the issue (not the issue being the issue), rather that treating it as a meme or slogan to reframe the issue. The issue of restriction of health care to constrain costs, particularly end of life care is a real one, and worthy of a real discussion. You can't have that on an article entitled "Death Panel", as the article amply demonstrates. You CAN have an essay on the effect of the meme on the debate, as long as there is some NPOV description of the underlying issue or events where used. Thanks. I guess.--209.6.69.227 (talk) 15:30, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

May 2012

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We also welcome the majestic plural (but not smug condescension). Soooooo, here is my so-called "attack" (verbatim)[4]:

At Talk:Elizabeth Warren, you made the personal comment to me, "And don't refer to me in the 3rd person". Per WP:SORRY, I'm sorry that I referred to you in the third person.

I'll try to remember that 'User:Seb az86556 (Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556) wishes only to be referred to in the second person'. Oh, shoot, I think I messed that up, that's third person again, right? Please just point me toward the Wikipedia guideline that covers the matter and then I'll bookmark it for when we next interact. --→gab 24dot grab← 15:42, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

My comment bears absolutely no resemblance to what is described at Wikipedia:No personal attacks. In fact, buddy, per WP:AVOIDYOU, that guideline specifically states: "Accusing someone of making personal attacks without providing a justification for your accusation is also considered a form of personal attack. (See also: Incivility.)". See also WP:POT, WP:POTKETTLE, and WP:KETTLE. Also in that vein, while removal of comments from User Talk is allowed, users are not allowed to label a comment as "vandalism" when it plainly is not. --→gab 24dot grab← 20:01, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Courtesy note

I've posted at Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Elizabeth Warren (Talk page comments) continuing the discussion from the Elizabeth warren talk page.--Cube lurker (talk) 17:09, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Please cite any threat I have made.--Cube lurker (talk) 18:12, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

WP:NPANPA per this, I guess. --→gab 24dot grab← 18:18, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Please read my post again. I said I was concerned. Then I said I might be oversensitive. I said I was interested in an uninvolved opinion. Not only did I not request sanctions, but I clearly posted that I may very well be the one that's wrong. The day when asking a neutral party "hey, do you think I'm right or not" is considered a threat is a sad sad day indeed.--Cube lurker (talk) 18:27, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Please stop with the bait. --→gab 24dot grab← 18:40, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

I disagree with the use of that link, however the change you made on the BLPN thread resolves my concern. For that I thank you.--Cube lurker (talk) 18:45, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

WP:TLW --→gab 24dot grab← 18:48, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Welcome From Me Too!

Seeing as you just schooled me on posting atop talk pages, I figure I just HAVE to put "tons of baloney" at the beginning of your page.... :P 66.105.218.38 (talk) 20:26, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Hilarious. --→gab 24dot grab← 20:34, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Your pointers at the Warren page have been most helpful. As opposed to the one or two there who routinely delete EVERYTHING I post! (to wit, 3 attempts at the "scientific misconduct" accusations...until someone ELSE finally posted the EXACT SAME THING and it stuck just fine!)

I understand that being unregistered is half the problem. Altho...to some degree there's a principle of wanting to know that a post sticks b/c of CONTENT, not my ID. I'd hate to think people give me me a pass AFTER seeing who's posting.

Regards, 66.105.218.18 (talk) 21:38, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks, DYKHousekeepingBot, I've now done as you suggest. --→gab 24dot grab← 17:00, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

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