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This is NOT a CBS image.Kogsquinge 05:14, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, the image is from http://ten.com.au . Sorry. But unfortunately, ten.com.au, just like cbs.com, is not a source for promotional material. Read the section 4 ("Intellectual Property Rights") of their terms of use. As a general rule, when in need to illustrate a fictional tv character, use a screenshot. This is why the fair use provision of U.S. law is all about. "Promotional images" are more about "implicit licensing" or, like in this case, about "unlikelihood to be sued".
  • Keep. The image is being used to depict fictional characters. It's within our guidelines to use a single non-free image of a copyrighted character (under a fair use claim) in an article about that character, so long as the image is no larger than necessary. – Quadell (talk) (random) 16:03, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Contest: Do you understand this image was produced by CBS Network Ten to be used on it's website, cbs.com ten.com.au, to give it an advantage over unofficial websites? The artist was paid to pose for this picture, an photographer and his team were hired to work on this image... While fair use law guarantees that CBS Network Ten can't forbid us from using a piece of it's tv-series (a screenshot) to talk about that tv-series, posed images from cbs.com ten.com.au are independent copyrighted work, and as we're not using it to talk about the copyrighted work itself our use is not fair. On the contrary, we're using these images to enhance our website, replacing the original market role for which these images produced. --Abu badali (talk) 18:00, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I understand. But if we could make a fair use claim on a screenshot, I don't see how making a fair use claim on this still photo is any different. Either way, by the strictest imaginable interpretation of WP:FUC #2, we're making our site useful by publishing their copyrighted image without their permission. But an interpretation this strict would prevent us from using any "fair use" images that are published elsewhere on the web. And I don't think that's supportable. A reasonable interpretation of FUC #2 should prevent us from re-using an image that the copyright holder is selling, but not one that they are distributing for free (assuming all other criteria are satisfied.) – Quadell (talk) (random) 20:36, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    We could make "a fair use claim on a screenshot" in an article about the movie/tv-series, and we could make a "fair use claim on (a low resolution version of) this still photo" in an article about this photo/website. No image is "fair use" per se. It always depends on the usage. This interpretation doesn't prevent the use of every image "that are published elsewhere on the web". I don't see how you reached that conclusion. We can always use a small part of a copyrighted work to comment on that work. But never use it solely for our convenience. "Selling" an image is not the only way to get some value from it. Recording labels usually don't sell album cover pictures independently, but we still can't an album cover with a rose to illustrate a text on a rose. --Abu badali (talk) 21:53, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and replace with a screenshot. No indication that the image is promotional in nature from the website or websites terms of use. Megapixie 23:29, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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All state license plates

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Image:Railfantag.jpg (delete|talk|history|logs)- uploaded by TVSRR (notify | contribs). - possibly legitimate to use as fair use in Vanity plate and U.S. and Canadian license plates, but should be removed elsewhere
Image:Florida-challenger.gif (delete|talk|history|logs)- uploaded by Kitch (notify | contribs). - this one would be legitimate to use in Astronaut Memorial and U.S. and Canadian license plates, but it is unsourced and thus needs to go
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Also, these are some Commons images which any Commons admins who notice this IFD may want to do something with:

All of these plates, though mostly tagged with free copyright tags, are derivative works of copyrighted state license plate designs and thus cannot be used freely. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of U.S. state license plates (second nomination). --BigDT 06:16, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • I totally agree with the derivative work argument. The uploaders have no authority to license them contrary to any terms the states may place on the plates. However some of those images are tagged as fair use and depending on use should be covered under WP:FUC. I'm not sure about DC: See District of Columbia home rule. The gov't of DC is a local municipality with Congress looking over its shoulder. The budget is funded by both local taxes and subsidies by Congress. I would say DC is its own entity, but I'm not an authority on the subject. ccwaters 13:40, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have added a source for the Challenger plate. It's not the exact source (I couldn't tell you where I got the larger pic here on WP), but it's the same image: A Florida Challenger plate with the "SAMPL" generic number on it. Please disclude it from the IFD. As for the others, there's no "free" replacement, so simply redo the license information. --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 14:46, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please remove the Ohio plate from this list. I never tagged it with a free copyright tag, and I was even careful to add a fair use rationale. — The Last User Name Ever (talk) 15:53, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Galleries of non-free images are not considered to be a fair use of that image. As that image is only used in a gallery of license plates, it too needs to be deleted. --BigDT 15:55, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • It's not used just for the sake of a gallery, it's used to illustrate the license plates for a particular state. So it is fair use. Maybe what we should be discussing is whether or not to delete the list of license plates page, because it's essentially useless without these. — The Last User Name Ever (talk) 15:59, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • Are we talking about Image:Oh license plate.jpg? It is only used in that one article. Maybe there is a duplicate of that image or another similar image used in a different article? --BigDT 16:06, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
          • I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Here's what I meant to say: It's not fair use to use a gallery of unfree images. But in this case, the images are used to represent a specific purpose, and are not replaceable by free images. So I believe it is fair use in this particular situation. — The Last User Name Ever (talk) 16:56, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
            • What is the specific purpose other than to sit there and be a gallery? I agree with you it isn't replaceable ... but that isn't the problem. The problem is that a gallery of non-free images is not a fair use of those images. These images don't serve to add value to an article - they are themselves the content of the article and that isn't acceptable. --BigDT 23:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
              • The specific purpose is to illustrate the license plates for each state. A state's license plate is like a company's logo: it helps to identify that particular state. The fact that they are used in a gallery is irrelevant, as this was simply the way it was chosen for them to be displayed. — The Last User Name Ever (talk) 13:58, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
                • But that isn't a justification for use. We don't have galleries of non-free images. They are removed on sight from articles where they are found. Some admins rouger bolder than I would have just speedied the article and not even bothered with the xFD discussions. Galleries of non-free images are not permitted ... I don't know any other way to say it. The purpose of these images is to sit there and be a gallery and that's not what we do. --BigDT 22:59, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
                  • Ok...so if I created an article entiled state symbols of Ohio and in detail described the state seal, state flower, and license plate, and what they represent, would it be fair use to include the image then? If so, why is this different? Better question: If I were to go and expand the article greatly, to include explanations of the symbolism of each plate, would it be fair use then? Because I might just do that. — The Last User Name Ever (talk) 14:44, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was pretty involved with List of U.S. state license plates, which is why I uploaded some images. I'm sick of the roadblocks being thrown up in the way of a perfectly acceptable page. There are books with images of state license plates for SALE (for profit) with license plates. I don't think that people need to put up such obstacles to a decent page, but I don't care very much anymore. I say nix all images of license plates on Wikipedia, and please don't contact me again about license plates. User:RideABicycle/Signature 16:00, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Wikipedia's goal is to create an encyclopedia largely unencumbered by copyright restrictions. The foundation's policy says, "Their use, with limited exception, should be to illustrate historically significant events, to include identifying protected works such as logos, or to complement (within narrow limits) articles about copyrighted contemporary works." I don't see galleries of non-free images in that list. --BigDT 22:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep making fake license plates is illegal, but there is nothing copyrighted about these. They are utiliarian articles, most with no artistic features distinguishable from the utilitarian (which makes them PD-ineligible). The more artistic ones should be carefully sourced and tagged as fair use (non free). Nardman1 14:21, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Uploader included no license tag and showed a website as the source. A third party added a GFDL license tag after the image was tagged as unlicensed. I am finding it difficult to assume that the editor who added the license tag did so in good faith, i.e. that s/he just happened to be the creator of an image uploaded by somebody else, particularly in light of the tagger's other tags, which I will be adding shortly. — Butseriouslyfolks 09:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete clear copyvio. Megapixie 23:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Same is true of this one: Image:Iranian nahang class submarine.jpg

--Butseriouslyfolks 09:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Images from abc.go.com are produced to enchance their website. Our use replaces the original market role for the image. Screenshots should be used whenever we need to illustrate tv fictional characters Abu badali (talk) 15:40, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Although poorly sourced, Startrek studio shots are likely to come from startrek.com. Our use in our startrek related article replaces the oritginal market role for this image. A screenshot could be used if we need to illustrate a tv/cinema ficional character like this one. Abu badali (talk) 15:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • What is the original market for the image? It's possible that they are selling 8x10 prints of the image or something and we can reduce the resolution if we need to, but I don't see how a promo shot replaces the copyright holder's ability to market the image - the main purpose of it is to promote viewership of the TV show, not to sell it. Used in an article about the show or the fictional character, it cannot be replaced with a free version. Obviously, it needs to be sourced better than essentially "oh yah it probably came from Paramount", but I don't see a reason not to use it if we can adequately source it. --BigDT 15:53, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I see no evidence that our use of the image detracts from the market value of the copyright. It's within our guidelines to use a single non-free image of a copyrighted character (under a fair use claim) in an article about that character, so long as the image is no larger than necessary. – Quadell (talk) (random) 16:05, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Contest: By freely using images from startrek.com, we're detracting from the site's main value: The ability to provide exclusive content. While any unofficial star-trek site can compete by writing better reviews or by building a better user interface, etc, no unofficial site is able to produce an image of a startrek actor posing in character at a studio, facing the camera. Make no mistake, this picture is an independent copyrighted work. We can't claim fair use on it unless we're talking about it. To talk about the serie's characters, use a piece of the series: a screenshot. --Abu badali (talk) 18:13, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    We can claim fair use, even though we're discussing the image's subject (and not the image itself). We agree that this is an independent, copyrighted work. As above, I believe that we should not consider it a violation of FUC#2 to publish an image that is published elsewhere on the web, if all other criteria are met. – Quadell (talk) (random) 20:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    The problem is not simply that the image has been published elsewhere in the web. The problem is the purpose the image was produced and how it's used by it's copyright holder. I'm afraid you're greatly mistaken when you say we could claim fair use "even though we're discussing the image's subject ". This is exactly the "Guernica" example. --Abu badali (talk) 22:01, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    How is this any different from Image:Arrested Development cast promo photo.jpg, Image:Firefly cast.jpg, Image:Cheers cast photo.jpg, or Image:Buffythevampireslayer-4.jpg, all of which were used in a featured articles when they were promoted? – Quadell (talk) (random) 02:05, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Is this the "there's more crap available" argument? I don't see much difference. --Abu badali (talk) 16:20, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    No, the point is that what you're calling "crap" (using still photos of TV show casts) is what the community is calling "featured" (or, at least, acceptable in the most scrutinized articles at Wikipedia). – Quadell (talk) (random) 17:46, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Not everyone here cares about unfree content usage as our mission would ask for. Has the concerns raised on this ifd been discussed in the process that lead these articles to "featured" status? If no, do you believe that the fact that it wasn't discussed before implies that we shouldn't discuss it now? What's exactly the point in pointing "featured" articles with similar problems? --Abu badali (talk) 18:41, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. I concur with Abu. Use a screenshot if you want a picture of the character. howcheng {chat} 23:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Unencyclopedic - This image is not the proper crest for this college. The college currently uses a totally different image for it's crest. The site that is listed as demonstrating that this is the proper crest no longer exists and there are there are no other valid references to where the college uses this image. Original uploader was not informed because they were banned for "Ban Evasion" and as such is no longer a member of the Wikipedia community. The link to the image on the SCIMD page could not be removed because the article is under Office protection. — 67.177.149.119 15:58, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is showing as an orphan now, so delete for that reason. --Butseriouslyfolks 00:58, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, admin action was taken on the main article where it was linked and the link to the image was removed, so it is not only unencyclopedic but an orphan that has basically no potential of ever being used anywhere else on Wikipedia. 67.177.149.119 01:58, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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I understand your rather limited view of why the image was produced. Even so, the use of the image at Wikipedia actually advances that view, as people who view the picture of this beautiful woman in the WP article are more likely to then visit missteenusa.com's website, thereby enhancing the experience of its users. And that's assuming your assessment of the original market role is accurate. I think this is an obvious case of fair use. --Butseriouslyfolks 18:55, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
People who read this beautiful woman's bio on Wikipedia and see this beautiful woman's picture, have less reasons to go to missteenusa.com. Copying content in this case makes the original less useful/necessary. --Abu badali (talk) 11:45, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Voting on this is irrelevant. Our policies have long been argued, and the shake out is that if the subject in question is alive, promotional, copyrighted shots of the person are not usable by us. Whether are hundred people say STRONG KEEP is irrelevant. --Durin 13:20, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • This was previously tagged as replaceable, and I, as the deciding admin, decided that it is not replaceable. (The photo depicts her being crowned, and she will never be crowned again.) If it were only being used to depict the person, we couldn't use it, but looking at the image and how it is used in the articles shows that it is being used to depict a non-repeatable event. Anyway, this nomination is not based on whether the image is replaceable, as Abu says above several times.. It's based on whether the image replaces the market value of the image to the copyright-holder. – Quadell (talk) (random) 15:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      Comment - while the "event" of this model being crowned is non-repeatable, it also doesn't calls for an image. The image adds no noteworthy information that isn't already conveyed with text. --Abu badali (talk) 18:16, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Since a "fair use" claim is made, we don't have to follow the terms of use. Missteenusa.com is not selling this low-resolution photograph, and I see no evidence that our use decreases the value to the copyright-holder. – Quadell (talk) (random) 15:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Contest: A "fair use claim" is not a blanket permission to use unfree material. The fair use rationale for this image, for instance, doesn't address the concerns raised on this ifd (thus, the nomination). Besides not addressing all points of our criteria (eg item #5: Significance), it's based on assumption like "Its use on Wikipedia does not compete with the copyright holder" and "Its use on Wikipedia is not expected to decrease the value of the copyright to its holder" (that ignores the value an exclusive image gives to an website) and the assumption that what's show on the image is an "historic event". --Abu badali (talk) 18:24, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Image is from nbc's site search.console.net, whose terms of use (follow "Home" at top left, then "terms of use" at bottom) says that the use of these images for promotional purposes can only be made after prior approval from NBC Universal: "Use of NBC Universal photographs may not be made without seeking prior approval from NBC Universal" [1]. Has Wikipedia asked for such approval? Why not use screenshots to illustrate such fictional characters? Abu badali (talk) 16:09, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. That image better illustrates the character, and no free equivalent is available. --DrBat 20:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment we can't ignore copyright just because the image is "better" for us. --Abu badali (talk) 00:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Agree; it illustrates key traits about Meredith (her drinking problem).- JustPhil  01:21, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Replace with smaller, lower res version. Fair use criteria are satisfied here. At 1MB it's on the large size though. --Butseriouslyfolks 04:53, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Voting on this is irrelevant. Our policies have long been argued, and the shake out is that if the subject in question is alive, promotional, copyrighted shots of the person are not usable by us. Whether are hundred people say STRONG KEEP is irrelevant. --Durin 13:21, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and reduce. Any image of the character is going to be copyrighted and usable under a fair use claim. Whether the image is a screenshot or not is irrelevant. It's perfectly within our policies to use a single copyrighted image of a fictional character in an article about that character, although the image should be no larger than necessary. – Quadell (talk) (random) 16:00, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Contest: Quadell, please understand that while Fair Use law allow us to use a piece of a movie to talk about that movie, we can't use a photograph produced to enhance a webpage about a movie to enhance our webpage about that movie. This image is an independent copyrighted work, that was produced and published independently from the movie/tv-serie we're talking about in the article. NBC paid the actress to pose for this image, hired the photographer, the photographer team, etc. because they wanted to improve their website. Unless we're going to write an article about their website or abut this image, we shouldn't be using this image. Saying that any image of the character would be "usable under a fair use claim" is naive. This is akin to say this image is a "fair use image". --Abu badali (talk) 18:36, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    I understand your position, but I don't think it's correct. Both a screenshot and a still photo are copyrighted, and we can only use either under a fair use claim. There's no difference, from a copyright perspective, whether we use one or the other. So there's no reason to replace stillshots with screenshots, as you seem to advocate. – Quadell (talk) (random) 20:44, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    A screenshot would be a small piece of the copyrighted work being discussed while this image is a different copyrighted work produced under different circumstances for different purposes. While the later may be more convenient for us, I'm afraid fair use law would only covers the former. --Abu badali (talk) 22:08, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and replace with a screenshot, which would serve the same purpose and actually be fair use. Megapixie 23:40, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • CV Initially tagged as GFDL-self but uploader now admits that the image was taken from another website (but cannot remember which). In the absence of licence/source information and given the photo dates from 1973 we have to assume the worst and that it is a copyright violation. Qwghlm 16:32, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Unnecessary non-notable unfree image shows three man signing a document at the United Nations. Doesn't seem to add any noteworthy information that can't be conveyed with text. Use seem decorative. Abu badali (talk) 16:35, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as the historic event depicted is not even mentioned in the article, and the subject is apparently living, so any free image of the subject would suffice. --Butseriouslyfolks 04:57, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Please be civil. --Butseriouslyfolks
  • Keep. This is a photo of a unique, historic, non-repeatable event. It is only used to depict that event, in the section of the article that mentions that event. The source is Corbis, as you say. I see no evidence that the use of this photo in this article detracts from its market value. – Quadell (talk) (random) 16:12, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Quadell, it's getting harder to try to understand your understanding of an image's value to it's copyright holder. If you plan to publish an article about the Indiana 1930 lynching, and you want to illustrate your article with a good picture, you're lucky enough to have the option to contat Corbis, an image agency that will be happy to provide you a nice picture for a fee. --Abu badali (talk) 18:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not that familiar with the criteria being applied, but the photo is from my hometown. According to A Lynching In the Heartland by James H. Madison, St. Martin's Press 2001, the photo was originally taken by a Lawrence Beitler. Madison credits the photo as: (Courtesy Indiana Historical Society C7068A). It's a very commonly used photo--dozens of books, magazines, documentaries, and even a Public Enemy CD cover. There's an alternate cropping here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ThomasShippAbramSmith.jpg I suspect it's orphaned. Is it possible that Corbis doesn't own the rights and just distributes it? Let me know if I can provide any other info, or could scan it from another source or something.--Rmlucas 01:58, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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This image is NOT used as a picture of the person. It is used to discuss the supposed Sports Illustrated jinx this player endured as a result of him being featured on this magazine cover. This is fair use - just like the Billy Ripken (F*ck Face) card is fair use for that article. I clearly explained this when uploading, so not sure why this was nominated for deletion (unless it was another dumb bot). It should be clear to anyone who read the article or read the image description. Anyway, hopefully this explains why I uploaded and why it should NOT be deleted. In particular, from Wikipedia:Fair Use: However, if that magazine issue itself is notable enough to be a topic within the article, then "fair use" may apply. Otduff 01:20, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per uploader explanation above. --Butseriouslyfolks 05:04, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Looking at the article, it certainly appears that the image is being used to depict the person. It's used in the infobox at the top of the page, after all. – Quadell (talk) (random) 16:14, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, but it is only in the infobox because the discussion of the jinx is in the opening paragraph and it did not look good having the image on it's own outside the infobox. Perhaps if we moved the "jinx talk" later in the article, we could move the cover image further down. Would you then agree that the image is fair use since we are discussing the SI cover and not purely to depict the basketballer? It sounds like you are only complaining of where the picture is placed and not discounting that it's use could be fair use. Is that reason enough to delete in lieu of just moving it within the article? Otduff 02:40, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - For this all "Sports Illustrated" images listed below, note the counter-example listed at Wikipedia:Non-free content: "An image of a magazine cover, used only to illustrate the article on the person whose photograph is on the cover. However, if that magazine issue itself is notable enough to be a topic within the article, then 'fair use' may apply." It would be difficult for us to keep any magazine cover image used to depict the subject, except in limited circumstances. – Quadell (talk) (random) 20:49, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    "except in limited circumstances" perfectly describes when we should be using unfree material in general, and not only unfree magazine cover images. As an good example, Image:OJ_Simpson_Newsweek_TIME.png is a magazine cover image that's notable enough to be discussed. --Abu badali (talk) 22:18, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    But it doesnt ever say it must be notable enough to have it's own article. Just to be notable enough to be discussed in the article. This is clearly the case as the article talks of his appearance on SI jinxing his career - and it is difficult to do so if you do not show the cover. Again, there are lots of other SI mag covers used for this exact same reason (just look at Sports Illustrated cover jinx).Otduff 02:40, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted. This image does not increase the reader's understanding in a way that words alone cannot. Thus it fails WP:NFCC #8. You already told us that he suffered from the Sports Illustrated jinx. How does showing the actual cover help me understand that more? howcheng {chat} 23:52, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Unnecessary non-notable unfree magazine cover, used only to illustrate a (POV) text mentioning the existence of the issue: "This fight was featured on the cover of the July 4, 1988, issue of Sports Illustrated with an iconic image of Tyson towering over the defeated Spinks". Any evidence it's "iconic"? Abu badali (talk) 20:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. It does not appear iconic to me. It's also not being used. – Quadell (talk) (random) 16:15, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Unnecessary, non-notable unfree image of a magazine's cover from a magazine issue that's not even mentioned in the article Abu badali (talk) 21:23, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • The article is on John Hayes Hammond and his image is on the cover of the May 10, 1926 issue of Time. Hammond is also the cover story of this issue of Time, thereby demonstrating the world's interest in Hammond as a subject. I believe this to be of interest to anyone researching Hammond and I think it would be a big loss to Hammond's Wikipedia article to loose his Time cover image.
  • Delete unless we discuss the cover directly in terms of the art work - we cannot claim fair use of the image. We already have a photograph of the man, and an external link to the time story would suffice. Megapixie 23:22, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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