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February 12

Warranty & Guarantee

Can somebody help me understand the entitled words in simple terms please? The dictionaries mix the two words...

Also, I have a 6 month warranty for a battery. I bought it on the 21/12/2016, been seven weeks, and it went up to 21% due to my own fault(s). Do you guys think the shopkeeper will replace it? Further information

Apostle (talk) 19:06, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

I assume you mean 21/12 (or 12/21 as we say in America) of year 2015. I don't quite understand the rest of the question, but regardless, the only one who knows the answer is the shopkeeper. As to the difference between the words, a warranty usually has an expiration date, and I would say a warranty is a type of guarantee. In effect, they guarantee the product is good or they'll replace it, within the warranty period - unless you damaged the product somehow. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:35, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Baseball Bugs: I'm talking UK style (21/12). I kind of used the new Laptop battery like the last original one. The new one says Designed Capacity: 48400mWh - just like the original one - but Full Charged Capacity was something like 1540444mWh, where as the original one's was probably same as the Designed Capacity i.e. 48400mWh. I'm just annoyed and want to change it, get a fresh one cause its been seven weeks of purchase and its on wear level: 21%. What shall I do? I'm rusty at lying too (99% of the time) - Does this message clarify/classify as damaged? -- Apostle (talk) 20:00, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

2015, then, not 2016. So I gather you're trying to pull a fast one on the shopkeeper. Sorry, can't help with that. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:04, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

I'll start out by reminding Apostle that we can't give legal advice here, so anything that follows just discusses the situation in general. For definitive advice on the legal situation, you should contact an appropriate professional - or, indeed, just ask the shopkeeper if he's prepared to replace the battery without worrying about the full extent of your legal rights. A warranty is a condition precedent to a contract - a statement which is essential to the validity of the contract as a whole. If a statement in a contract is a warranty, then, if the statement is not true, the entire contract is invalid. The opposite is a simple term of the contract - if the statement is not a warranty, then the contract continues to exist, and both parties are still legally obliged to follow the remaining terms. On the other hand, a guarantee is a promise by one person (A) to pay money or perform some service to another person (B) if a _third_ person (C) does or fails to do something - usually, A has to pay B if C fails to pay a debt to B, but this isn't the only type of guarantee. In the case of a contract of sale, if the statement that the battery will work for six months is in fact a legal warranty, the buyer can get a refund or a new battery if it doesn't - the seller is obliged to put the buyer in the same position he would be in if the contract had either not come into existence (the buyer would still have the money) or if it had been performed properly (the buyer would have a working battery). On the other hand, a guarantee might be a promise to repair or replace the battery if something goes wrong with it - C is the seller, B is the buyer, and A is the manufacturer or repair organization - but the contract between the buyer and seller is still in existence, and the buyer is _not_ automatically entitled to a refund. The exact legal situation will depend on the wording of the contract - there may very well be a statement like "when used in accordance with the manufacturer's instructions", and it sounds, unfortunately, as though you haven't done that. There will almost certainly also be various consumer protection laws which may override the explicit terms of the contract. Tevildo (talk) 20:19, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Sorry Tev, I forgot. Don't mind

Anyway, my Daddy helped He destroyed the battery while I was asleep Now it doesn't charge without a power plug My Daddy is awesome!

Thanks guys -- Apostle (talk) 06:49, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Affects vs. effects

A native English speaker is needed to check whether or not these 69 hits of the affects are correct. I suspect that in many cases, it's actually the effects. --Leyo 23:11, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Correct: Charmides (dialogue), Script theory, Charles Altieri, Philosophy of Baruch Spinoza, Spinozism, Max Schur, Evil, Tragedy, Ethics (Spinoza), Salomon Stricker, Moral insanity, Warren Montag, 2005 Loganair Islander accident (direct quotation of incorrect usage with [sic]), Academic boycott of Israel (incorrect usage with [sic]).

Direct quotation, wrong usage, no [sic] - need checking against source: LGBT parenting, 1963 Atlantic hurricane season, Media multitasking.

Wrong: All the rest. Tevildo (talk) 00:00, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. I fixed all the wrong ones. I fear that there are many more mistakes of this kind, e.g. Special:Search/"adverse affect*", but I am done for now. --Leyo 01:48, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

The three articles mentioned by Tevildo (LGBT parenting, etc.) are accurately quoted. John M Baker (talk) 13:11, 13 February 2016 (UTC)