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:::::I'd no interest in using <nowiki>{{diach}}</nowiki> myself and rather intended it as a relaxed alternative to <nowiki>{{synch}}</nowiki>. I'd somewhat pessimistically estimated that a third or so of the current uses of <nowiki>{{surf}}</nowiki> would fail to qualify as synchronically valid and so would one day have to be deleted or switched to another template. Having just surveyed some forty uses however I'm surprised to report myself agreeing with all but three.
:::::If nobody pipes up in favour of <nowiki>{{diach}}</nowiki> I'm happy to drop it from the proposal, leaving just <nowiki>{{synch}}</nowiki>. Incidentally, an unintended side-effect of the phrasing 'synchronically derivable from' is that it may render <nowiki>{{af}}</nowiki> and such redundant. It seems just about inevitable that the preface works for any correct example of affixation. [[User:Nicodene|Nicodene]] ([[User talk:Nicodene|talk]]) 03:06, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
::::The original reason for {{tl|surf}} was that where a Pali lemma could be derived within Pali, I was giving an etymology using {{tl|af}} and the like and listing it as a derived term, but others objected that it was inherited from Sanskrit and therefore removing the derivation from within Pali, and I think removing the entry as a derived term. --[[User:RichardW57m|RichardW57m]] ([[User talk:RichardW57m|talk]]) 16:58, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
:My position has always been against using linguistic jargon where it can be avoided (I favoured binning the "proscribed" label, for instance). I'd be a lot happier to see {{tl|surf}} generate "equivalent to". I know it's imprecise, but so what? Your average punter isn't going to have a clue what "synchronic" means. I remember when I was at uni, a friend was studying a unit on Chinese translation and we came across the words "synchronic" and "diachronic" in one of the readings. Neither of us knew what they meant - and we both had undergraduate degrees (one in arts, one in sciences)! At a stretch, we could work on improving {{glossary|synchronic}} in the Glossary. But let's not make our readers work any harder than they have to. Most will just give up. [[User:This, that and the other|This, that and the other]] ([[User talk:This, that and the other|talk]]) 02:37, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:This, that and the other|This, that and the other]] I get your point although at the same time, I'm concerned that using something vague like "equivalent to" will lead to the same mess we currently have with "surface analysis": No one knows what it means and so it just leads to endless questions and speculation. At least "synchronic" has a precise meaning. [[User:Benwing2|Benwing2]] ([[User talk:Benwing2|talk]]) 05:42, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
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