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:::::I've removed the test class, and can offer the following data about how soon changes take effect: I removed the "big and green"-ification text at 22:14, and the text above was still big and green (unchanged) at 22:15–22:18; the text changed back to normal when viewed via Tor at 22:19 (just five minutes), but was still unchanged when I viewed it from my 'usual' browser until 22:24 (ten minutes). (The difference is, I assume, to do with the fact that I had no 'cache' in Tor, but had the big green text in my cache in my usual browser.) [[User:-sche|- -sche]] [[User talk:-sche|(discuss)]] 22:31, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|This, that and the other}}: The selector is broken now due to the recent [[mw:Heading HTML changes]]. It seems to work if I change the CSS line to:
:<syntaxhighlight lang="CSS>
:.mw-heading {
: min-width: fit-content;
:}
:</syntaxhighlight>
:[[User:Ioaxxere|Ioaxxere]] ([[User talk:Ioaxxere|talk]]) 18:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
::Hmm, I wonder if this is also what has broken aWa and other gadgets that involve section headings. [[User:-sche|- -sche]] [[User talk:-sche|(discuss)]] 21:39, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
== Wrong categorisation of cites with an untranslated passage ==
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::::::::::Fine with me too. [[User:Benwing2|Benwing2]] ([[User talk:Benwing2|talk]]) 18:45, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::If I'm being really pernickety it should be "Entries with X translations", but yeah, I agree with the overall logic of changing it from "X translations". [[User:Theknightwho|Theknightwho]] ([[User talk:Theknightwho|talk]]) 03:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::I settled on "Entries with translations of X
:::::::::::::Thanks! [[User:Vininn126|Vininn126]] ([[User talk:Vininn126|talk]]) 12:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::::But I still think it'd be nice to have the translated language category, so I can keep an eye on Polish translations. [[User:Vininn126|Vininn126]] ([[User talk:Vininn126|talk]]) 12:44, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
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::Okay, I'm going ahead with this. [[User:Theknightwho|Theknightwho]] ([[User talk:Theknightwho|talk]]) 11:33, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Benwing2}} Before I do this, would it please be possible for you to bot-create a load of categories in advance? That way, we can avoid spamming the category sections at the bottom of large pages, as they won't be moved to the hidden section until they've been created. If you cover all the languages on [[water/translations]], [[woman/translations]] and [[man/translations]] that should cover most of them, and the rest can be swept up in the usual way. The format is "Category:Terms with X translations". [[User:Theknightwho|Theknightwho]] ([[User talk:Theknightwho|talk]]) 12:51, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Theknightwho|Theknightwho]] This is running. There are about 3,500 categories to create and since I'm using the script I normally use to create categories in [[Special:WantedCategories]], which expands {{tl|auto cat}} on the page before creating it (to make sure there's no error), it's a bit slower than it could be (~ 3 seconds per category, vs. 1 second if I just created the categories without any checking). So it might be done in about 3 hours. [[User:Benwing2|Benwing2]] ([[User talk:Benwing2|talk]]) 22:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Benwing2|Benwing2]] Great - thanks. [[User:Theknightwho|Theknightwho]] ([[User talk:Theknightwho|talk]]) 22:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::Good news everyone! [[User:Vininn126|Vininn126]] ([[User talk:Vininn126|talk]]) 22:06, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
::::::FYI there are still several categories needing creating. I am doing all the categories found on any of the translation subpages; this adds about 380 more, let's see if that's enough. [[User:Benwing2|Benwing2]] ([[User talk:Benwing2|talk]]) 02:44, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::::This will be a great tool for me to monitor Polish even more. [[User:Vininn126|Vininn126]] ([[User talk:Vininn126|talk]]) 10:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
== WiktCountryFlag gadget not working on MonoBook ==
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::::@[[User:Vininn126|Vininn126]] That's something I wanted to do for other languages. Maybe I can start with Polish and expand it later. I'm fairly busy this coming week but I can do it in early June if nobody else has done it by then. [[User:tbm|tbm]] ([[User talk:tbm|talk]]) 05:14, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Tbm|Tbm]] Let me know. [[User:Vininn126|Vininn126]] ([[User talk:Vininn126|talk]]) 08:40, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Vininn126|Vininn126]] sent, see Discord [[User:tbm|tbm]] ([[User talk:tbm|talk]]) 07:29, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Cheers! [[User:Vininn126|Vininn126]] ([[User talk:Vininn126|talk]]) 09:11, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
== Alchemical symbols wrongly categorized as emojis ==
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*:{{reply|DCDuring}} I ''think'' (and would hope) the intention is to apply the module only to quotation templates, though I'm not sure as I didn't participate in a discussion about it. (Pinging {{ping|JeffDoozan}} who implemented this.) — [[User:Sgconlaw|Sgconlaw]] ([[User talk:Sgconlaw|talk]]) 21:47, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
*::I can only hope that it doesn't happen accidentally. [[User:DCDuring|DCDuring]] ([[User talk:DCDuring|talk]]) 23:16, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
*::This was a feature of Module:quote before I made any changes to that module, but I'm sure it became more visible after I converted many RQ: templates to use Module:quote. FWIW, @[[User:Ioaxxere|Ioaxxere]] recently removed it: {{diff|79462965}}. [[User:JeffDoozan|JeffDoozan]] ([[User talk:JeffDoozan|talk]]) 14:02, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
== Tool to resync translations ==
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::::::Re "the default shows up only at 100%", you're referring to the "Nushu with no script tagging" line? That line isn't tagged with anything, not even the "Nshu" class our site-wide CSS sets fonts and sizes for. Re font size, OK, I'll reduce it to 130% soon. <br/>Are you able to make the pagetitles of Nushu-script pages be tagged with the Nshu script code (like Mongolian-script pages' pagetitles are tagged with their script code)? Currently, when I use Chrome, only the headword on [[𛉄]] displays, the pagetitle/h1 is still tofu, which I ''think'' is because it isn't being tagged with a script code. (In Firefox, everything including the pagetitle displays correctly when I'm logged in, and nothing at all displays—it's all boxes—when I'm logged out. Do we not set fonts for logged out users? Is this a consequence of moving script codes out of Common.css? Do we need to move them back?) [[User:-sche|- -sche]] [[User talk:-sche|(discuss)]] 04:14, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::::@[[User:-sche|-sche]] I'm not sure why the script code isn't correctly tagged on [[𛉄]]; I'll have to take a look at the headword code. As for the logged-out issue, maybe [[User:This, that and the other]] and/or [[User:Ioaxxere]] can answer, who seem to know more about CSS than I do? [[User:Benwing2|Benwing2]] ([[User talk:Benwing2|talk]]) 04:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
::::::::@[[User:Benwing2|Benwing2]] The font declaration for <code>.Nshu</code> is being properly loaded when I load that page, whether logged in or logged-out, but that CSS class isn't applied to the page title. The page seems to need a {{tl|DISPLAYTITLE:}} set. From my quick look it's not clear why things are working for -sche in some configurations but not others... [[User:This, that and the other|This, that and the other]] ([[User talk:This, that and the other|talk]]) 05:36, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:This, that and the other|This, that and the other]] I fixed the page title CSS issue; or at least, it works for me on Chrome on a Mac. What is your browser and OS? [[User:Benwing2|Benwing2]] ([[User talk:Benwing2|talk]]) 05:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::Thanks for fixing the page title issue. :) <br/>On the second issue: I've now realized it's different/weirder than I thought. What I had been doing was looking at pages (while logged in) in a regular Firefox window, and checking how they looked when logged out by opening a Private Browsing window (and a Tor window) and looking at those. However, I now notice that if I log out and look at the site in a regular Firefox window, everything displays. Conversely, if I log '''in''' while using a Private Browsing window, it's still tofu, and I notice that Glagolitic fonts are only applied to the Glagolitic text in ''[[Glagolitic]]'' when I'm in a normal Firefox window, but not when I'm in a Private Browsing window. So the issue appears to be that Private Browsing windows (and Tor) don't ... support/access fonts? Which I guess might be an intentional privacy feature of those browsers...? (The text, in all cases, is tagged with the correct class when I look at the page source.) So I guess it's fine, or at least not a Wiktionary problem. (When we were testing the "big and green" class recently, ''it'' displayed even in Private Browsing windows, and the Glagolitic ''size increase'' displays: CSS classes that have to do with font ''size or color'' seem to be applied, just not ''fonts''.) [[User:-sche|- -sche]] [[User talk:-sche|(discuss)]] 05:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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Please add to Category tree, as subcat of List of name categories, Historical events and War <b style="font-family:Verdana">[[User:Purplebackpack89#top|<b style="color:#3A003A">Pur</b><b style="color:#800080">ple</b>]][[User talk:Purplebackpack89|<b style="color:#991C99">back</b><b style="color:#C3C">pack</b><b style="color:#FB0">89</b>]]</b> 03:09, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
:Please also move the following categories from War to Wars:
:*American Civil
:*American Revolution/en:American
:*Napoleonic
:*Trojan
:*Vietnam War/en:Vietnam
:*World War
:*World War
Another editor suggested I "make a case" for the category's existence. The Wars category should exist because there are quite a few proper nouns that are Wars and contain the word "War". <b style="font-family:Verdana">[[User:Purplebackpack89#top|<b style="color:#3A003A">Pur</b><b style="color:#800080">ple</b>]][[User talk:Purplebackpack89|<b style="color:#991C99">back</b><b style="color:#C3C">pack</b><b style="color:#FB0">89</b>]]</b> 16:23, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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:I changed my mind, I would add ''autoglossonym'' to "Related terms" section instead. [[Special:Contributions/2402:800:63A8:A143:F015:F0F7:E1E7:4522|2402:800:63A8:A143:F015:F0F7:E1E7:4522]] 05:01, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
::{{ping|Chuck Entz}} looking through the list of recent hits, I'm not sure this abuse filter is serving its purpose any longer. It does trap a bunch of idle vandalism but it doesn't look any different from what we'd get from any other IP range. Thoughts? [[User:This, that and the other|This, that and the other]] ([[User talk:This, that and the other|talk]]) 05:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
:::Procedural question: given that we're using an abuse filter to (try to) stop edits by this user, are we also blocking IPs which are known to be this user? If so, since the user is abusing multiple accounts/IPs, shouldn't the main account also be blocked? [[User:-sche|- -sche]] [[User talk:-sche|(discuss)]] 03:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
:::: {{ping|-sche}}: They stated they were quitting and never edited from their account again, so the focus was on dealing with the IP edits that came later. The list of IP ranges in the filter are all from unmistakably characteristic bad edits being done in those ranges. They switched ranges often enough that blocking them in the usual way would have shut down edits from pretty much all of Vietnam, so the filter was created in order to limit the collateral damage. I never was that great with regexes, so it can probably be improved. Besides which, it's always possible that they've moved to another range not covered by the filter. [[User:Chuck Entz|Chuck Entz]] ([[User talk:Chuck Entz|talk]]) 03:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::@[[User:Chuck Entz|Chuck Entz]] thanks for that. However, I'm still unclear on whether, in your view, the filter is still actually catching and deflecting vandalism from the user who it was originally intended to catch. As I observed above, I wasn't able to spot any patterns emerging from the edits being disallowed. I think we should be proactive in disabling filters like this if the person they are targeting has given up and moved on. [[User:This, that and the other|This, that and the other]] ([[User talk:This, that and the other|talk]]) 06:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
::::::But I see you significantly narrowed the filter, which would have allowed the OP's intended edit to {{m|en|endonym}}. So perhaps no further action is needed? [[User:This, that and the other|This, that and the other]] ([[User talk:This, that and the other|talk]]) 06:05, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
:::::::I still can't make that edit now. It wouldn't happen if I create an account, right? [[Special:Contributions/2402:800:62A7:CDA3:159F:C64E:7A78:C09A|2402:800:62A7:CDA3:159F:C64E:7A78:C09A]] 03:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
::::::::It worked after I created an account. [[Special:Contributions/2402:800:62A7:CDA3:159F:C64E:7A78:C09A|2402:800:62A7:CDA3:159F:C64E:7A78:C09A]] 04:07, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
== How do you propose users navigate large categories? ==
Starting on [[:Category:Sino-Vietnamese_words]] how do you propose users get to the e.g., K's?
Fiddling with the URL of course ("Go to the next 200, whereupon a ''pagefrom='' URL parameter appears which the user can tinker with.") That isn't how a major website should treat users. [[User:Jidanni|Jidanni]] ([[User talk:Jidanni|talk]]) 14:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
:Our categories are inconsistent in whether they have what I will for lack of a better word call 'navigation TOCs', and what level of detail the TOCs have. You are right that this is an issue. The category you link has no TOC; [[:Category:Vietnamese nouns]] has 15,000 entries and the TOC is just "A Ă Â B C D Đ E Ê G H I K L M N O Ô Ơ P Q R S T U Ư V X Y", whereas [[:Category:Latin nouns]], also with 15,000 entries, has a whole "aa ab ac ad ae af ag ah ai aj ak al am..." thing going. [[User:-sche|- -sche]] [[User talk:-sche|(discuss)]] 17:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Jidanni|Jidanni]] @[[User:-sche|-sche]] All categories that are handled by the poscatboiler system have TOCs added automatically. Generally, if there are >= 200 and < 2500 entries, a single-level TOC is added if available (i.e. if one has been created for the language in question), and if there are >= 2500 entries, a two-level TOC is added if one has been created for the language in question. Latin has such a two-level TOC but Vietnamese doesn't. Generally, most languages have one-level TOCs but only some have two-level TOCs. Maybe we can/should fall back to a generic TOC based on the script of the language, so we get default two-level TOCs (or maybe in such a case we should display both a language-specific one-level TOC and a generic two-level TOC?). This particular category [[:Category:Sino-Vietnamese words]] has no TOC because it doesn't go through the poscatboiler system (you can see that by the fact that it doesn't use {{tl|auto cat}}). Let me see about adding it. [[User:Benwing2|Benwing2]] ([[User talk:Benwing2|talk]]) 19:00, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
:::The Sino-Vietnamese and Sino-Korean categories are now in the poscatboiler system, and there is a TOC visible for them. [[User:Benwing2|Benwing2]] ([[User talk:Benwing2|talk]]) 04:25, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
== Japanese headword issues ==
For some reason, kana entries for Japanese ''na'' forms are displaying duplicate rōmaji in the headword template, resulting in broken links. Examples: {{m|ja|アウト}} ,{{m|ja|すぐ}}, {{m|ja|そう}}.
Similarly, verbs and adjectives now display single rōmaji links for multiword conjugations (such as ''suru'' and ''na'' forms), even though such entries would inherently be SOP. Examples: {{m|ja|丿乀}}, {{m|ja|匡救}}, {{m|ja|真っ直ぐ}}. {{ping|Theknightwho}} [[User:Binarystep|Binarystep]] ([[User talk:Binarystep|talk]]) 19:55, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
:@[[User:Binarystep|Binarystep]] I'm working on this at the moment. [[User:Theknightwho|Theknightwho]] ([[User talk:Theknightwho|talk]]) 20:07, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
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