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- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was archived by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 12 April 2024 (UTC) [1].[reply]
- Nominator(s): Buaidh talk e-mail 18:54, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this list for featured list because it is a complete, fully referenced, and well organized presentation of the symbols of this state. This list has been peer reviewed at Wikipedia:Peer_review/List_of_Colorado_state_symbols/archive1#List_of_Colorado_state_symbols Thank you, Buaidh talk e-mail 18:54, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Why is the lead only one sentence? Speedy fail of criterion 2. WP:FL#United States state symbols has six that are featured, those can be starting point examples.
- I'm not sure why this particular stamp is considered a state symbol; I found at least five other stamps [2][3][4][5][6] that are for the state. I'd remove, as well as the quarter (America the Beautiful quarters also has one for CO).
- USS Colorado (1856) is named after the river, not the state
- I don't think any of the List of United States Navy ships named after US states are state symbols anyway.
- Is there a reason the "image for the motto" is just the motto in all caps, bold, and "V" for the "u"?
- "The Centennial State" is also not an image, just use a dash if there isn't a suitable free image.
- The citation for this nickname does not address the adoption of the nickname.
- I would not include coat of arms as a symbol unless there is good sourcing specifically for it beyond its implicit use as part of the seal's design.
- Footnote 1 is not loading for me.
- I'm not sure why "United States Department of Agriculture" is the 'Adopted' for the soil. Does that mean the USDA chose this soil on the state's behalf?
Reywas92Talk 22:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for your comments. You've done a great job with the List of Indiana state symbols.
- I've added to the lead. I'm not sure the list lead needs to contain information that is also included in the list entries themselves.
- This is still not adequate, surely there can be other ways to summarize the topic like in the other examples.
- Only one stamp has been issued in honor of the state itself. The America the Beautiful quarter for Colorado honors Great Sand Dunes National Park and Preserve and not the state itself.
- I don't know what you mean by that. This stamp was issued to celebrate the state's centennial. My first linked stamp was issued to celebrate the state's 75th anniversary. I'm not convinced stamps are considered state symbols, at least not only this one in particular. The 50 State quarters honored each state with an issuance, but these also aren't the same kind of state symbols as the rest of the list, and none of the other FLs include them.
- The entry for the USS Colorado (1856) explains that the ship was commissioned before the creation of the Territory of Colorado.
- Right, so again, why is it listed here as a state symbol? It was named after the river, not the state, so it's not a state symbol by any stretch.
- The Lists of United States state symbols includes ships.
- Right....it includes List of U.S. state ships, which are ships respective state legislatures have named as their official state ships. It's not just any ships that were named after states, a common practice by the Navy. Colorado has not designated a state ship, and I don't think the ones named after it are necessarily state symbols.
- The state motto is in Latin and classical Latin had only one letter V. The letter V was not separated into the letter V for the consonant sound and a new letter U for the vowel sound until the Middle Ages.
- Yes, I know that but why did you put that here? Are there any Colorado-related sources that spell it this way? Moreover, that's not an image, so why are you just restating what's in the Symbol column in the Image column?
- I think the nickname text is adequate.
- It says "Centennial State" in the Symbol column and then "The Centennial State" in the Image column. But that's not an image so what's the point of duplicating it?
- I think the explanation of the nickname origin is adequate.
- No, it's not. The citation there is simply the proclamation that verifies the date Colorado became a state, but it doesn't verify when the nickname was adopted. Did people immediately start calling the state that – What's the origin there? Also the wikilink redirects to Colorado so it's not very useful.
- I think the explanation of the adoption of the coat of arms is also adaquate.
- No, because when I look up CRS 24-80-901 in Lexis cited there, it just describes "Size and description of seal", not that a coat of arms was adopted. Just taking those elements from the seal doesn't mean the state has ever used a coat of arms itself, and I don't think the implicit design should be considered a symbol separate from the seal without the state having ever designated it. I add a cn tag to Seal_of_Colorado#Coat_of_arms; what use has there been besides in this 1876 book?
- Thank you for letting me know about this. I've updated Footnote 1.
- The Department of Agriculture has designated a state soil for each state. Please see State Soils. The Indiana state soil is Miami Soil.
- That says "Each state in the United States has selected a state soil, twenty of which have been legislatively established." I'm assuming Colorado is not one of the legislatively established states, but that still implies the state selected it, not USDA.
- Also, I don't think license plates count as state symbols either, these can change regularly. Reywas92Talk 15:29, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Again, thank you for your suggestions. Yours aye, Buaidh talk e-mail 04:43, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)
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- Drive-by comment
The lead is still too short I'd say. I don't believe you saw that Reywas92 mentioned this (they didn't sign the comment, so I understand missing it) after your initial response to them. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:22, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I added a description of the creation of the first insignias of Colorado. Buaidh talk e-mail 03:18, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Review from Hurricanehink
Hello there, I came here from my own FLC about California, so I figure, why not another C state themed FLC review?
- I agree with the above, the lead is far too short. Give an explanation of what Colorado is, more about the history, stuff. For example, it seems that the flag has changed a few times, and you have a few different dates under "Adopted". An explanation for why some items have multiple dates would be useful. I think there should be a "desciption" section, based on Indiana's list, which is a featured list.
- "The U.S. State of Colorado has many adopted symbols and emblems." - how many?
- "Most of these symbols and emblems were adopted by acts of the Legislative Assembly of the Territory of Colorado" - how many
- "A few of these symbols were adopted by executive action of the Governor." - how many
- "The seal and coat of arms of the Territory of Colorado were specified by the First Session of the Territorial Legislature but not created until November 11, 1861." - what do you mean "specified"? It appears that it was a week after the motto was decided. Would that be the second session of the legislature? But then that contradicts what's said in note A:
- The Coat of Arms of the State of Colorado was implicitly defined by the legislation creating the Seal of the Territory of Colorado on November 11, 1861, and the Great Seal of the State of Colorado on March 15, 1877.
- So which is it?
- "Federal agencies designated some of these symbols in honor of the state. - yea, speaking of, you're missing a stamp. There was a 75 year anniversary stamp in 1951. Double check to see if there was another anniversary stamp, maybe 125 year anni?
- Could you explain what the CRS and SB stand for in the "Adopted" column?
- Is it proper for a page to say See Colorado state logo.? I realize that it's trademarked, but IDK, that seems off. Maybe have a note that says that the image is trademarked, and that no free image exists? I'm not sure here.
- Reference for note b?
- Why is Colorado's slogan included if it's unofficial?
- Why the bare link for the state amphibian, cactus, pets, and summer sport?
- Reference for the SB/HB/EO for state grass/reptile/tree/fossil?
- When did the state soil get recognized?
- I'm not a fan of note D within note C. I like the bit about the Colorado River and how it wasn't in the state of Colorado until later, but I'm guessing the state was named after the river, so that etymological importance should have a place in the article, not just a note within a note.
- Is it worth adding Colorado Day?
- Why is this in a note? The Colorado Sesquicentennial will be observed on August 1, 2026, four weeks after the United States Semiquincentennial.
All in all, the article is pretty good, but there are a lot of small things that prevent me from supporting at the moment. I appreciate the effort, and I think you can still get a featured list out of this. Please let me know if you have any questions. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:52, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, this nomination has been open for a long time without any support, and the nominator has been inactive for a few weeks. In order to keep the queue manageable, I'm going to have to close it. Feel free to renominate it in the future; things that have helped nominations get more/quicker reviews in the past include advertising the nomination to likely editors and wikiprojects, as well as mentioning it when reviewing other FLC nominations. --PresN 16:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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- Nominator(s): Sariel Xilo (talk) 22:23, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Second time nominating; since the previous nomination closed, all outstanding suggestions have been incorporated (plural verbs fixed, links to monsters/concepts added in episode summaries, additional images). In terms of major new additions, the Production and format section has been expanded with a new paragraph on filming/set design (to go with corresponding image) and there's a new subsection on the 3 specials that have since aired (with corresponding images). There are 3 new plot sums (for the specials) and the Reception section has a new paragraph on set design & objects used in play. I'm really hopeful that the episode list will be promoted this time. Looking forward to the reviews! Sariel Xilo (talk) 22:23, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments from TheDoctorWho
- "Dungeons & Dragons web series Critical Role" is a MOS:SEAOFBLUE.
- Removed the "web series" link. Sariel Xilo (talk) 01:16, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Same with "Critical Role Productions' Twitch".
- Rephrased. Sariel Xilo (talk) 01:16, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Any particular reason why the lead doesn't list Apha alongside Twitch and YouTube?
- When addressing the blue links above, I rephrased to include Alpha. Let me know if it is unclear. Sariel Xilo (talk) 01:16, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- This is a unique article in that it uses "campaign" as a disambiguator rather than "season" or "series", I'd consider removing the season number parameter from the infobox and adding
|season_name = ''Critical Role'' (campaign two)
to override it, just so the infobox title matches the article title. - I'd also suggest adding the cast members to the infobox using the
|starring=
parameter. - The networks should be broken up using {{plainlist}} per the infobox instructions.
- Attempted to use the plainlist but I'm not entirely sure what I did wrong with the code format; switched it to Template:Unbulleted list which I could format correctly. Sariel Xilo (talk) 03:36, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- In the first sentence of the production section you utilize military time, but the lead uses twelve-hour time. I'd make it consistent either way.
- Just to clarify, was there a YouTube livestream on Critical Role's channel, or was it only available there after the Twitch broadcast? If there was a YouTube livestream:
- Was the Twitch overlay only available on Twitch or was it also available on the YouTube livestream? If it wasn't available on the YouTube livestream I'd change that portion of the sentence to read something along the lines of "but it is not available on the YouTube platform or Twitch video on demand (VOD) viewers."
- There was a YouTube livestream so I've clarified on Twitch overlay. Sariel Xilo (talk) 02:52, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Did the YouTube livestream have auto-generated captions as well? If so, "VOD" in that sentence should be replaced with "broadcast".
- Looking at the source, it seems to just be referring to the VOD process. Sariel Xilo (talk) 02:52, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Was the Twitch overlay only available on Twitch or was it also available on the YouTube livestream? If it wasn't available on the YouTube livestream I'd change that portion of the sentence to read something along the lines of "but it is not available on the YouTube platform or Twitch video on demand (VOD) viewers."
- "Mercer is positioned behind a gamemaster's screen In the inset portion" de-capitalize "In".
- Portions of the first few paragraphs in the production section don't feel like production information? It is relevant, but perhaps would be better suited in a "Release" or "Broadcast" section per MOS:TV.
- Moved paragraphs 1 & 4 into a new Broadcast section. Slight rephrase. Sariel Xilo (talk) 02:52, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The image referencing the four-camera setup needs alt-text.
- Wikilink Skeleton crew in the COVID section.
- I assume DM in this section refers to Dungeon Master? If so, I would add that as an abbreviation in parenthesis in the cast section ("Campaign Two had eight cast members—seven players who form an adventuring party and the Dungeon Master (DM)").
- Underneath the Episodes section header add {{see also}} and point to List of Critical Role episodes.
- The episodes lists should utilize
|LineColor = #FFDD00
so that the line color matches the table color. - Wikilink Streamy Awards in the Accolades section.
- An additional link to the 11th Shorty Awards may be useful here, perhaps "Shorty Awards (11th)" or something along those lines.
- Wikilink spin-offs in the adaptation section.
- "sourcebook Explorer's Guide to Wildemount" is another BLUESEA.
- Rephrased Sariel Xilo (talk) 02:52, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- References:
- Move the wikilink of Comicbook.com to the first use only or wikilink all uses (MOS:REFLINK) ✓
- Wikilink Bleeding Cool. ✓
- Reference 6 should utilize {{cite tweet}} instead of {{cite web}}. ✓
- Wikilink Insider. ✓
- Wikilink The Webby Awards. ✓
- Wikilink Shortyawards.com. ✓
- Wikilink Variety. ✓
- Wikilink Screen Rant. ✓
- Wikilink SyFy Wire. ✓
- Wikilink Comic Book Resources (CBR). ✓
- Wikilink Collider. ✓
- Wikilink Geek and Sundry. ✓
- Reference 38 needs a work/publisher/wbsite. ✓
- Wikilink Los Angeles Times. ✓
- Wikilink Convergence: The International Journal of Research into New Media Technologies. ✓
- Wikilink Gamesradar. ✓
- Wikilink Popverse. ✓
- Wikilink Tor.com. ✓
- Wikilink PC Gamer. ✓
- Wikilink Polygon. ✓
- Wikilink Penguin Random House. ✓
- Wikilink Gizmodo. ✓
- References 2,✓ 7,✓ 12,✓ 15,✓ 16,✓ 19-23,✓ 25,✓ 27-28,✓ 46, 72,✓ 80,✓ and 95✓ all have authors that need added to their respective citations.
- In progress (added checkmarks to the ones where I added Wikilinks). Sariel Xilo (talk) 17:50, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Added missing authors except for 46 which is a press release without an author. Sariel Xilo (talk) 18:28, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. Sariel Xilo (talk) 18:42, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Add the following categories: Category:2018 American television seasons, Category:2019 American television seasons, Category:2020 American television seasons, Category:2021 American television seasons, Category:Television productions postponed due to the COVID-19 pandemic, Category:Television productions suspended due to the COVID-19 pandemic
- This article isn't about the channel itself, so I'd remove Category:YouTube channels launched in 2018
The amount of prose in this article almost leads me to suggest that it should be at WP:FAC instead, and I'd likely insist if it was a typical series with ~15-20 episodes. But with, 141 episodes I can see why it's here instead. Regardless, I commend the work that's been done here so far and want to say good work! TheDoctorWho (talk) 07:04, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the review! I somehow missed it in my watchlist but I'll take a look now and start updating over the next few days. Sariel Xilo (talk) 00:54, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Not entirely sure how to add alt text to the 4-cam image since that's not parameter in Template:Image frame; the example uses
|base_alt=
but that didn't work when I tried it. If I have time tomorrow, I'll take a look at some of the image template options to see how to fix it. Sariel Xilo (talk) 02:52, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]- If you set it up like this:
[[File:Critical_Role_C2E98_"Dark_Waters"_screenshot.png|250px|thumb|right|Four camera layout during an ocean battle scene in the Episode: "Dark Waters".***INSERT CITATION HERE (''I had to take it out of the code box due to errors, it's the same citation currently cited in the article'')***|alt=InsertAltTextHere]]
it should work. The "thumb" in the link makes it a thumbnail identical to the frame template. Unbulleted list appears the same as plainlist, and is given as an option in Infobox instruction so that works for me! That said, it doesn't need updated to plainlist, but if you're curious; I believe the only reason that plainlist didn't work for you is because the bulletpoints (*
) have to be flush with the left side of the code editor, you can see an example with this article and can see how it appears in the editor.Given the updates made, I'm inclined to support assuming that the alt text and references sections are dealt with.Once again, fantastic work! TheDoctorWho (talk) 05:09, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]- Thanks for explaining the code issues! I always forget that the bullet points can be persnickety. I've updated the image format & added the alt text. I'll ping when I'm done with the references. Sariel Xilo (talk) 17:23, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @TheDoctorWho: I believe I fixed all the refs (except 46 which doesn't have an author). I relied on ctrl-f to find the ones you called out but I sometimes transpose lines when working in the source so I would appreciate a double check to make sure I didn't miss any. Sariel Xilo (talk) 18:42, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks great! Apologies on 46, not sure what happened there. Striking what I said above since all of my comments have been addressed to reiterate my Support. Best of luck with any future reviews! TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:52, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- If you set it up like this:
Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)
- Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. For the template you're using, visual captions can be added by putting
|caption=This is a caption
in the Episode table template; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting|caption={{sronly|caption_text}}
instead. - Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --PresN 03:39, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @PresN: I looked at the tutorial but I'm not entirely sure if what I did is enough. I added
|caption={{sronly|List of episodes in 2018}}
in the first episode table which is similar to the caption in the episode table at Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (season 1). If that caption is enough, I'll replicate it in the other tables. But if not, I would appreciate additional guidance. Thanks! Sariel Xilo (talk) 04:31, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]- Yep, that works fine, though it turns out this template works differently than others, and the "sronly" isn't needed, as the caption is always hidden- so you can do just "|caption=List of episodes in 2018" if you want. --PresN 04:07, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Cool! I removed the "sronly" & added captions to all of the episode tables. Sariel Xilo (talk) 04:26, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Yep, that works fine, though it turns out this template works differently than others, and the "sronly" isn't needed, as the caption is always hidden- so you can do just "|caption=List of episodes in 2018" if you want. --PresN 04:07, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @PresN: I looked at the tutorial but I'm not entirely sure if what I did is enough. I added
Unfortunately, this nomination has been open for a long time without much support, and no comments at all for over 6 weeks. In order to keep the queue manageable, I'm going to have to close it. Feel free to renominate it in the future; things that have helped nominations get more/quicker reviews in the past include advertising the nomination to likely editors and wikiprojects, as well as mentioning it when reviewing other FLC nominations. --PresN 16:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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