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== honor -> hospitality ==
== Black Watch tartan ==


When the Black Watch and the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders (Campbells) were two separate regiments, their tartans were deliberately kept slightly different. The Black Watch (or government) tartan was based on the Campbell tartan, with a couple of narrow black lines added to the lay. I don't know whether that still persists with those units now merged into the Royal Regiment of Scotland - especially as the merger was partly aimed at reducing the number of different kilts and other items of Highland military dress! [[User:Valetude|Valetude]] ([[User talk:Valetude|talk]]) 16:22, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Honour/honor isn't a particularly encyclopedic word: "I've stained my pants" might be fact, but "I've stained my honour" a matter of opinion. ;) I think "hospitality" sits better as it marks the beginning of [[Battle of Culloden|the end]] for the tradition of highland hospitality. [[User:Anilocra|Anilocra]] 09:31, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)


== Religion ==


It does not say, here, when and where the chief of clan joined Reformation. Are they member of the Kirk? The Episcopal Church in Scotland? another branch? Are some members of the clan, Roman Catholics? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:WPF2008|WPF2008]] ([[User talk:WPF2008#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/WPF2008|contribs]]) 14:55, 19 May 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== Campbell?? More like CLAMbell ==
Whoever put that so called "commentary" in the article in November is an ass.


amirite [[Special:Contributions/188.125.181.105|188.125.181.105]] ([[User talk:188.125.181.105|talk]]) 01:15, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Certain branches of the Tenhet family are directly related to the Campbells of Argyle, so I put it on there

== Arms ==

The arms are those of the Chief of the Clan, not of the clan itself. Only the chief may use them - I put in a title bar over them to correct this.--[[User:Breadandcheese|Breadandcheese]] 04:31, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

== Lord of the Isles ==

No Campbell chief was ever appointed Lord of the Isles. The last Macdonald Lord of the Isles was deposed in 1493 by James IV. The following century James V reserved the title to the crown, where it remains to the present day.
[[User:Rcpaterson|Rcpaterson]] 22:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

== Montrose ==

Montrose was executed in 1650 for preceived treasons, not for any attempt he made on Castle Campbell. Although he was hanged he was not drawn and quartered, a form of punishment for treason unique to England.
[[User:Rcpaterson|Rcpaterson]] 23:01, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

== Wars of Scottish Independence ==

How could the Campbells have possibly fought alongside Robert the Bruce in 1333 when he had died four years previously? Also, if they (the Campbells) were awarded any land it wouldn't have been by the defeated Scots! Someone needs to either remove this reference (again!) or correct it - the battle was most likely Bannockburn in 1314!

The "Victorious" Campbells, as the writer quoted, seems could do no wrong according to this article. The Campbell clan betrayed Scotland and were perfectly content to receive land, titles, and funds from the imposter, Hanoverian queens and kings while any hope of freeing Scotland from the oppression of English rule was squashed. The ancient language Gaelic was lost, as well as an entire way of life that valued culture, family, music, religion, and other traditions that have gone to hell in this present age, and that we may never know again.

K. McLaren

-Some- of the Branches of the Campbell clan betrayed Scotland, not the entire -Clan-.

LTenhet

:During the Scottish Wars of Independence the Campbells were indeed on the side of Scotland and The Bruce. It was only in later centuries that they became traitors to Scotland and earned the near-universal hatred from the other Highland clans which they enjoy today.--[[Special:Contributions/207.194.4.123|207.194.4.123]] ([[User talk:207.194.4.123|talk]]) 12:29, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Clan Campbell did indeed support the English taking over Scotland, but they were not the only clan to do so. Most of those living in the lowlands supported the English or at least didn't care. Gaelic was not lost, in fact it's still spoken today, and other aspects of Scottish heritage and culture are being preserved as best it may. Clan Campbell is working as hard as any clan to preserve it's Scottish history. Next time, before you insult an entire family, get all the facts. I don't agree with some of thing things that previous clan members may have done, but that does not condemn the entire clan!
A proud daughter of Clan Campbell,
[[User:Gwynt|Gwynt]] ([[User talk:Gwynt|talk]]) 21:04, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:Well its not quite right to say the Clan Campbell betrayed Scotland which ever way you look at it. They foguht against the Englsih during the Wars of Independance anyway. As for the Civil War of the 17th century that wasn't between England and Scotland anyway, it was between royalists, parlimentrians and Scottish covenantors. Yes the Campbells did indeed support Englishman Oliver Cromwell when he came to occupy Scotland in the 1650's but they wern't the only ones. As for the Jacobite rebellion of the 18th century, you have to take into account the Union of the Crowns in 1603 (when the Scottish king became king of England too) and also the Act of Union in 1707 when the two countries agreed to be united under the same parliment. By supporting the British Government (not English) the Campbells were obeying the law along with half of Scotland.[[User:QuintusPetillius|QuintusPetillius]] ([[User talk:QuintusPetillius|talk]]) 17:09, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
::The Campbells have become like the later [[O'Brien dynasty]] in Ireland, who are unfairly viewed as being [[turncoat]]s by a persistent community of Irishmen, following the career of [[Murrough O'Brien, 1st Earl of Inchiquin]]. See the [[Sack of Cashel]]. [[User:DinDraithou|DinDraithou]] ([[User talk:DinDraithou|talk]]) 19:25, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Although I don't have anything against the Clan Campbell for what side they were on there are plenty of other reasons why people from other clans might not like them: the drowning of the Clan Arthur, the Dunoon Massacre of the Clan Lamont, oh and lets not forget the Massacre of the MacDonalds of Glencoe.[[User:QuintusPetillius|QuintusPetillius]] ([[User talk:QuintusPetillius|talk]]) 17:43, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

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==Celtic and Norman origins==

Hi. Should this ''important'' text be included in the Clan Campbell lineage?

''The Campbell’s have both Celtic and Norman origins. Anciently named; O’Duibhne or MacDiarmid.'' [NB: dia = god; armaid = of arms] ''Accounts state that a Malcolm of the clan went as a widower to Norman France where he married an heiress of the Beauchamp family and adopted that name. A son Archibald accompanied the Conqueror in 1066 and became founder to several English lines.'' (Campbell. p55: Collins Guide: Scots Kith and King: A Guide to the Clans and Surnames of Scotland. ISBN: 0004356659)[[User:Stephen2nd|Stephen2nd]] ([[User talk:Stephen2nd|talk]]) 15:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

:I'm not sure that the Campbells are considered to be originally O’Duibhnes. I think the speculation is the were originally of Strathclyde British descent. "''Tradition holds that the first of the Campbell ancestors (still not yet called Campbell) who came into Argyll married Eva, daughter of Paul an Sporran and the heiress of the O'Duibne tribe on northwestern Lochawe''". However, the Campbells first appear in the 13th century, "''The first of the name Cambel (the original spelling) who can be found in the surviving records was one who owned lands near Stirling in 1263. The earliest written date for a Cambel in Argyll is that for Duncan Dubh, landowner in Kintyre in 1293,''" [http://www.ccsna.org/jsep10a.htm#A2]. --[[User:Celtus|Celtus]] ([[User talk:Celtus|talk]]) 07:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi Celtus, thanks for the Scottish O’Duibne marriage references. When cataloging Clans, family tribes &/or other group collectives, in genealogical, time line and armorial terms. My database record is quoted surviving records; sourced, researched and verified as fact. Article Clan Campbell stated the O.Duibne origin. As corroborated by my Collins Guide corroborating the genealogical records of O’Duibne &/or Ui Duibne were Mac Diarmaid: Rockingham: Patent 12 James I.; illuminated patent by indented Deed Dated 1640, family patrimony of Mac Dermot lineage, including 389 quarters, extending over eight centuries. [NB: Within and without parameters of: “Arms of the Realm and Ancient Local Princip-alities of Scotland, Kingdom of Scots: Angus; Atholl; Buchan; Caithness; Carrick; Fife; Galloway; The Lennox; Mar; March; Menteith; Province of Moray; Ross and Strathern.“] Last record: per se as “Driven from his ancient patrimony during the Cromwellian Wars.” NB: McDermott – Beauchamp: Or, three Cross-Crosslets: Arms of William Walpole PM.

PS. If anyone has any Dermot; Donald; Moubray; genealogy; heraldic; patent; references, I have a few Campbell and other clan files, including speculative and tradition categories. In the lists things you must do before you die, mine own, is to see this illuminated patent. Regards.[[User:Stephen2nd|Stephen2nd]] ([[User talk:Stephen2nd|talk]]) 19:04, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

== Tartan ==

I have removed the image box with the Campbell of Argyll tartan. Under "Clan Profile", I was afraid this box would confuse people into thinking it was the official campbell tartan. If a tartan is displayed, it should be the standard Campbell (Black Watch) tartan. The three other official tartans might also be nice to show, but Campbell of Argyll is only notable because the Sixth Duke of Argyll added a white stripe to his personal tartan. He was the only one to do it, and the family thought it "rather pompous". (See http://www.ccsna.org/jsep50a.htm) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.61.230.225|74.61.230.225]] ([[User talk:74.61.230.225|talk]]) 10:27, 11 July 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

The Tune "Baile Inneraora" translated as "The Campbells are Coming"
As an Irish Gaelic speaker (same as Scots Gaelic but with a number of subtle changes by separation of the peoples over a few centuries) a few things arrest my gaze. Baile = Town. So I am puzzled as to how Baile Inneroare translates into "The Campbells are coming". A basic translation of that sentence in Irish Gaelic (so allow for some Scots Gaelic modifications, please) would be : Tá na Caimbeulaigh ag teacht." [Caimbeulaigh is a logical plural of Caimbeulach, meaning 'a Campbell']
But here's a guess about an alternative. I translate Baile Inneraore quite confidently as 'Inneraora Town'. That part is not a guess. My guesswork is : Inneraora = from Inbhear Aora. (I know that Inbhear=Estuary or similar. So could this mean the Estuary of a river called Aora?). Could 'Aora' be derived from the name of the River Irvine? So we might have got an evolutionary linguistic line such as : Inbhear Irvine --Inbhear Aora --- finally Anglicised as Inverary.
Any suggestions?

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Black Watch tartan

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When the Black Watch and the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders (Campbells) were two separate regiments, their tartans were deliberately kept slightly different. The Black Watch (or government) tartan was based on the Campbell tartan, with a couple of narrow black lines added to the lay. I don't know whether that still persists with those units now merged into the Royal Regiment of Scotland - especially as the merger was partly aimed at reducing the number of different kilts and other items of Highland military dress! Valetude (talk) 16:22, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Religion

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It does not say, here, when and where the chief of clan joined Reformation. Are they member of the Kirk? The Episcopal Church in Scotland? another branch? Are some members of the clan, Roman Catholics? — Preceding unsigned comment added by WPF2008 (talk • contribs) 14:55, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Campbell?? More like CLAMbell

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amirite 188.125.181.105 (talk) 01:15, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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