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Type Descriptions

I just deleted the descriptions on all of these personality types. A lot of them were copyvios from different sources, several of them being from http://www.geocities.com/lifexplore/ , where they may or may not have been copied from other locations. Nonetheless, the three theories of MBTI, Keirsey Temperaments, and Socionics are quite different and require different descriptions of types, functions, relations, and other concepts. Socionics especially differs from the other two. The three theories should all be expanded upon in Wikipedia, but it is impossible to do this while there is a conglomeration of these three theories and they are treated as one and the same. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 00:59, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Templates

I created templates for text that's the same across all 16 MBTI type articles to eliminate the hours of work it takes to update the same text 16 times. This is a recommended use for templates according to Wikipedia policy WM:TEMP.

To edit the templates:
1. Click the Edit link on the section of the article you want to change.
2. Select and copy the title of the template page (the text between the double braces).
3. Paste the copied text into the Wikipedia search box and press Go (not Search).
This will take you to the template. Make sure that the changes you make to the templates are appropriate for all 16 MBTI type articles! (ENFJ, ISTP, etc.) ThreeOfCups (talk) 03:33, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling of Extraversion

The MBTI, Keirsey Temperament Sorter, and related Jung Typology assessments use the original spelling, Extraversion, rather than the modern corruption, Extroversion. In this context, Extraversion is jargon and should be thus spelled. ThreeOfCups (talk) 15:04, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notable ESTJs

José Manuel Barroso - 11th President of the European Commission - very respectable person with high moral values, straight body posture
Winston Churchill Prime Minister of the United Kingdom - respectable person, straight body posture
Donald Rumsfeld 13th and 21st United States Secretary of Defense, extrovert, very high self-esteem, sensing, judgeing, straight body posture
General Colin Powell high self-esteem, extrovert, sensing, thinking, great body posture, mov him the ESTJ category
Dwight D. Eisenhower same as above, please look at his statue. That is not really an introvert person.
Rudy Giuliani great speaker, definitely ESTJ.
Pointy-Haired Boss Dilbert's boss in the Dilbert comic strip —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.77.223.59 (talk) 08:53, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Angela Merkel Chancellor of Germany —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.77.223.59 (talk) 11:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Gordon Brown the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Leader of the Labour Party —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.77.223.59 (talk) 15:52, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Moved this section under Characteristics and used only Keirsey examples. Keirsey's theory is based on behavior, which is observable, while the MBTI is based on cognitive functions, that is, how people prefer to use their minds. It is unethical for MBTI practitioners to speculate about a person's type according to the principle of "own best fit." Moreover, MBTI practitioner websites are grossly inconsistent in their conclusions. This sort of unencyclopedic speculation has no place on Wikipedia. ThreeOfCups (talk) 20:52, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Logo and border color

For a discussion about the logo and border color, see Talk:Myers-Briggs Type Indicator#Remove or keep the fancy logos from the articles?. Please don't make a significant change to the logo or border color without discussing it there first. ThreeOfCups (talk) 19:38, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reduce to one article

The other recreational pseudo-psychology systems Socionics and Enneagram of Personality have only a single article. In the meantime it would be beneficial to remove the references of "notable persons of this personality type" seeing as the Myers–Briggs_Type_Indicator is make-believe. 104.228.101.152 (talk) 02:12, 14 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Talk:Myers–Briggs Type Indicator#Redirects and a new hatnote

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Myers–Briggs Type Indicator#Redirects and a new hatnote. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:20, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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 == Notable ESTJs ==
-* [[Otto von Bismarck]] was typical ESTJ. Look at his straight body posture on all of the images.
 * [[José Manuel Barroso]] - 11th President of the European Commission - very respectable person with high moral values, straight body posture
 * [[Winston Churchill]] Prime Minister of the United Kingdom - respectable person, straight body posture
+* [[Donald Rumsfeld]] 13th and 21st United States Secretary of Defense, extrovert, very high self-esteem, sensing, judgeing, straight body posture
-* [[George Bush]] is rather an ENTP than a ESTJ. George Bush is a rational man. He was a jet fighter pilot before his political carrier.
+* [[General Colin Powell]] high self-esteem, extrovert, sensing, thinking, great body posture, mov him the ESTJ category
-One has to be very intuitive to fly a jet plane.
+* [[Dwight D. Eisenhower]] same as above, please look at his statue. That is not really an introvert person.
-* [[Adolf Hitler]] Chancellor of Germany - This is a very interesting case. Was he ESTJ or an ENTP? Need to rethink.
+* [[Rudy Giuliani]] great speaker, definitely ESTJ.
+* [[Pointy-Haired Boss]]  Dilbert's boss in the Dilbert comic strip  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/83.77.223.59|83.77.223.59]] ([[User talk:83.77.223.59|talk]]) 08:53, 8 March 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+* [[Angela Merkel]]  Chancellor of Germany  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/83.77.223.59|83.77.223.59]] ([[User talk:83.77.223.59|talk]]) 11:21, 8 March 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+* [[Gordon Brown]] the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Leader of the Labour Party  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/83.77.223.59|83.77.223.59]] ([[User talk:83.77.223.59|talk]]) 15:52, 8 March 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+:Moved   this section under Characteristics and  used only Keirsey examples.   Keirsey's theory is based on behavior, which  is observable, while the   MBTI is based on cognitive functions, that is,  how people prefer to  use  their minds. It is unethical for MBTI  practitioners to speculate  about  a person's type according to the  principle of "own best fit."   Moreover, MBTI practitioner websites are  grossly inconsistent in their   conclusions. This sort of unencyclopedic  speculation has no place on   Wikipedia. [[User:ThreeOfCups|ThreeOfCups]] ([[User talk:ThreeOfCups|talk]]) 20:52, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
 == Logo and border color ==
 For a discussion about the logo and border color, see [[Talk:Myers-Briggs Type Indicator#Remove or keep the fancy logos from the articles?]]. Please don't make a significant change to the logo or border color without discussing it there first. [[User:ThreeOfCups|ThreeOfCups]] ([[User talk:ThreeOfCups|talk]]) 19:38, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
+== Reduce to one article ==
+The other recreational pseudo-psychology systems [[Socionics]] and [[Enneagram of Personality]] have only a single article. In the meantime it would be beneficial to remove the references of "notable persons of this personality type" seeing as the [[Myers–Briggs_Type_Indicator]] is make-believe. [[Special:Contributions/104.228.101.152|104.228.101.152]] ([[User talk:104.228.101.152|talk]]) 02:12, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
+==Discussion at [[Talk:Myers–Briggs Type Indicator#Redirects and a new hatnote]]==
+[[File:Farm-Fresh eye.png|15px|link=|alt=]]&nbsp;You are invited to join the discussion at [[Talk:Myers–Briggs Type Indicator#Redirects and a new hatnote]].  [[User:Shhhnotsoloud|Shhhnotsoloud]] ([[User talk:Shhhnotsoloud|talk]]) 10:20, 13 April 2020 (UTC)<!-- [[Template:Please see]] -->