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As some of you know this article is the handiwork of User:Towns Hill who was indeffed from WP in 2017. It is chock full of POV. I'm impossibly busy these days, have been unable to clean up this page, and I really miss @Sitush: Pinging some administrators: @Bbb23, Bishonen, Vanamonde93, SpacemanSpiff, and RegentsPark: Also @Abecedare: who supervised an RFC on the phrasing in Kashmir-related pages (here and here). Please help if you can. In my view, there is nothing here that is not POV. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 21:49, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Can you give maybe 1 or 2 examples of a POV sentence in the article? WhoAteMyButter (📨│📝) 04:13, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm too sleepy. I Will reply tomorrow. Thanks for your post. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 04:48, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

April 2022

@Kautilya3: It is regarding this edit. Why is the mention of Dardic WP:OR? Kashmiris speak a Dardic langauge and hence are a Dardic ethno-longuistic group. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:40, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All mentions of Kashmiri as a Dardic language are POV, but apparently unavoidable. But why are the people "Dardic"? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:13, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think there used to be "Indo-Aryan" everywhere, which we removed. Now, "Dardic" makes its appearance. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:13, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Kautilya3: Why are the people "Dardic"? - Because Kashmiris are a Dardic speaking ethno-linguistic group. If the classification of Kashmiri as a Dardic language is contentious then we can write the broader term "Indo-Aryan ethno-longuistic group". I don't see why it is problematic considering these are mostly linguistic classifications. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:15, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Classifications of languages are not classifications of people. Do these descriptions have reliable sources? Let us avoid WP:SYNTHESIS. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:49, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

June 2023

@Fowler&fowler: Shouldn't we include the phrase Indian-administered somewhere in the lead since we have Kashmir Valley written there? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:56, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I'll take a look. Thanks. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 11:42, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

September 2023

Why is a group photo of prostitutes of ambiguous origins from 19th century is being shown as "representative" of Kashmiris

Why is a group photo of ambiguous origin prostitutes (or Nautch girls) in 19th century Srinagar are being shown as an example of "Kashmiris". These prostitutes were always of cosmopolitan origins from various regions of South Asia and were related to prostitutes found in neighboring kingdoms like Punjab, Delhi and Lucknow etc. These were never of any kind of pure origin. Only farmers of Kashmir valley living in the villages of Kashmir valley since centuries are the true representative of the ethnicity called "Kashmiris".

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