Talk:Leon Felhendler

Death

Please note that:

1) It is impossible for Feldhandler to have been accidentally shot by an Armia Krajowa partisan during an execution in April 1945. That is because the Armia Krajowa disbanded in January 1945. 2) Nobody named Hersh Blank escaped from Sobibor. 3) Googling the name "Hersh Blank" produces two results: both are from this article. There is no other trace of the name. 4) If you would like to make statements regarding the death of Feldhandler, please provide links to sources. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 13:04, January 22, 2009 (talk) 62.190.36.11 (UTC)

Your "anti-sEmetic" Poles are just in violation of NPOV. Hersh Blank was a collaborant of UB and NKVD like majority of Jews who survived horror German occupation in Poland. Do some research, if you base your knowledge on what Google shows you, you are in trouble. Try to kee your bias towards Poles to your personal life. Being a bigot in XXI century is really strange. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.42.78.192 (talk) 22:37, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Do you happen to have any sources which support your claims? Or do you just expect us to blindly believe your outlandish fantasies? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.158.196.107 (talk) 00:26, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

• The Polish counterpart to this article asserts a different cause of death, and sources are cited. Those sources, as well as at least some of the sources inserted here, should be reviewed for reliabilty. If there is well-sourced support for a different cause of death than that now stated in this article, it should be represented, and all sources should be vetted under the criteria of WP:RS. This article should not be a battleground, but an objective restatement of the facts, or what is known of them, and if histories differ, the differences should be mentioned. Kablammo (talk) 13:33, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

The sources in Polish article are antisemitic. I did however found one source from museum about Holocaust that calls his death causes unclear. Additionally there is a scholary work dedicated to his death and its circumstances but I couldn't find what it writes Leon Felhendler, zapomniany bohater, „Biuletyn Gminy Wyznaniowej Żydowskiej w Warszawie” 2003, nr 18-19(21). . --Molobo (talk) 17:48, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

How do you know the sources in Polish version are antisemitic if you could not find what the scholarly work writes ? Are you able to read "antisemitic" Polish, but not scientific Polish ?

As is now, article shows possible causes of his killing and cites sources connected with Feldhandler. It does not contain previously inserted references to articles about so called Polish Antisemitism which did not mention Feldhandler at all. This article is not about Antisemitism and we do not know if they killed him because they did not like his yarmulke or because he was there with collaborator Blank. 200.193.129.125 (talk) 02:48, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Nine sources say that Feldhandler was killed by antisemites, and one source says he was killed by a Home Army partisan. I've edited the article to reflect what the sources say. If you have any questions, please read WP:UNDUE. — [[::User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] ([[::User talk:Malik Shabazz|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]]) 03:07, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

As a matter of fact, the books listed as sources all state that Feldhendler was killed by Polish anti-semites. All of them are available on google books and thus the content regarding Feldhendler can be easily checked.62.190.36.11 (talk) 12:17, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Nonsense and bias. I will report socketpuppetry for Malik Shabbaz. 200.193.129.125 (talk) 01:22, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Death: references

I've attempted to improve the sourcing on the matter of who killed Feldhendler. Here is a summary of the changes:

• Reformatted existing references, giving fuller bibliographical details
• Added sources that specifically state that:

• Feldhendler was killed by the NSZ
• The NSZ was a right-wing, anti-semitic organization

• Removed sources that don't specifically mention who killed Feldhendler -- except those that are from books whose contents I've been unable to verify. If in fact these sources don't relate to the issue of who the perpetrators were, feel free to remove the references.
• Removed an EL to an MS-Word doc off a discussion board. Please see Wikipedia:External links:Links normally to be avoided:

• 10. Links to... chat or discussion forums/groups.

If this is a legitimate published source that would meet Wikipedia:Reliable sources, Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:No original research, please restore it along with its publication information. A translation would also be helpful.

--Rrburke^(talk) 15:53, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Recent references

Seeing the controversy in this article, I will use the discussion page before editing. Here is some translation from a recent (January 17, 2008) Gazeta Wyborcza article that has some new information on the death of Feldhendler. Follow this link to see the article in Polish. I paraphrase key passages below.

When human life lost its value

First the article states that between the summer of 1944 and fall of 1946 at least 118 Jews were killed in the Lublin district, mostly in robberies or antisemitic killings. The subject was studied by Dr Adam Kopciowski. He explains about the murder of Leon Feldhendler: "I tried to explain mysterious murder of Leon Feldhendler in Lublin, one of the leaders of the revolt in Sobibor. I realised that there were more cases like that. Hence my publication"

In the spring 1945 Feldhendler lived with his wife in Number 6 building on Zlota street. He rented a room there. On April 2 he was shot and wounded by unknown perpetrators. The shot was fired through the doors of the flat. He died three days later in hospital. The only official document related to this event, found by the Lublin historian, is the admissions list of the "Wincenty a Paulo" hospital listing the wounded man. Dr Kopciowski does not exclude that the murder may have been a robbery - from testimony of a friend of Feldhendler it emerges that he traded in gold. However, nothing was missing from the flat.

The historian states that right after the war the Lublin district was one of the most dangerous regions of Poland for Jews.

What follows from this is interesting. Was there a wave of antisemitic murders in Lublin in those years? Yes. Could Leon Feldhendler been a victim of such a murder? Certainly, and even likely. Nevertheless, it is not known who killed him, so the exact motive will never be known. It will be tricky to rewrite the article to reflect this, but we must try. 70.48.217.40 (talk) 17:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Bit more info. The newspaper article refers to the article by Adam Kopciowski entitled Zajścia antyżydowskie na Lubelszczyźnie w pierwszych latach po drugiej wojnie światowej (Anti-Jewish Incidents in the Lublin Region in the Early Years after World War II) that was published in Zagłada Żydów. Studia i Materiały (The Holocaust of the Jews, Studies and Materials). Kopciowski's credentials are given as historian, assistant prof. in the Department of Culture and History of the Jews , Lublin University This scholarly publication also has an English edition, and the article abstract in English can be accessed here.

Overall, this looks like a reputable scholarly publication that at this point should be used as our primary source for the circumstances of Feldhendler's death. It would be good to have the original article in the long run, but for now the information from the article and the interview with Kopciowski in reputable and reliable Gazeta Wyborcza, a major Polish newspaper, should be sufficient. 70.48.217.40 (talk) 18:25, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Good news, I have managed to get my hands on the original article by Kopciowski, through www.ceeol.com site. I will translate key passages below.70.48.217.40 (talk) 18:56, 29 January 2009 (UTC)