Talk:Majora

Inaccurate naming

Majora is not a character in the Zelda series, this article should be called "Majora's Mask (mask)" or something along those lines. Majora isn't even an actual person as far as we know, since the mask was "created by a long-forgotten race", as the article says. Since the only form it ever appears in in the game is Majora's Mask, I think this should probably be moved. --Impossible 11:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

• Agreed, kind of. When typing the article's story sections, I found it hard to refer to the Mask as simply "Majora"; in fact I even typed in the infobox "Majora's Mask". But, you'll see that the last bosses are named "Majora's [Whatever]", and thus I think we can safely assume there is a something known as Majora, be it the ancient race that made it or a different entity trapped in the Mask. So... huh. If you want to change the article's name go ahead, I don't mind at all ;) --Roberto 07:10, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Then I think any references to the entity "Majora" should be removed altogether, because we don't know who or what Majora was. Yes, it existed in some form, but it's not a character in the Zelda series. The Mask is, and officially it was created by an ancient race. Even the non-canonical manga explanation suggests that Majora does not reside within the mask. I think I'll move the article, too. --Impossible 02:43, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, come to think of it, I'm not entirely sure what the proper name would be. Majora's Mask (item), Majora's Mask (mask), Majora's Mask (character), or something else like that? --Impossible 02:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

• Mhmmm... I just remembered there IS a part of the game that calls the antagonist "Majora"[1]... so it was created by an "ancient tribe" or whatever, but in that text it's clear that Majora is meant to be whatever resides inside the Mask. Soooo I'm not that sure about renaming the article now, since the game does refers to it as Majora =P. --Roberto 06:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

In the manga, Majora was a demon who was sealed inside a mask, making "Majora's Mask". Although I must point out, the manga is non-canon... DarkLink Metroid 01:27, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

• Yeah, the manga are just dellusions from the authors... I mean, their explanation of how the Mask was made makes no sense when held up with a) the game and b) the own demon explanation... but, the game refers to an entity inside the Mask, be it a demon or not... --Roberto 06:19, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Whether we have seen this "Majora" or not, there is no doubt that some sort of entity known as Majora exists. i.e.: Majora's Mask, Majora's Incarnation, Majora's Wrath. All of those things belong to Majora, so Majora it is. Dementus 13:18, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's time for the ZOMGZ TOPIC REVIVAL thingamajig. The article needs to be changed to Majora's mask, as that is what it was called in the game, and the only instance where the name "Majora" was used without the mask was the final fight, in which it transformed into those forms. Those forms can't be used to call it Majora on account that Majora's Mask transformed into them, and the nature of what these transformations even are is completely unknown, and unimportant. We need to move it to Majora's Mask, as the names of transformations such as these shouldn't affect it's name. Majora's Mask's Incarnation would be pretty ridiculous, wouldn't you say? There is no knowledge as to whether or not a diety known as Majora actually exists (just as much as other religious figures), and thus, due to lack of actual reason, it should be named "Majora's Mask" with the forms being listed as transformations. Agree, disagree? -Chao9999 09:46, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

It appears that nobody cares/ is here to further this conversation, so I'm going to see if I can find out about moving it. -Chao9999 04:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Final Area

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The entity, Majora, itself seems deeply disturbed, such examples include the interior of the moon and its surreal environment (or the final battleground) and its choice of children as its manifestation inside the moon.

The only thing that really opposes this opinion is that the mask had already stopped possessing the Skull Kid by this point. Nonetheless, I saw it as the the crazy green field relating to the mind of the mask's most recent user, while the final battleground related to the mask itself.

• I too tend to think the insides of the Moon were a little too Le Petit Prince because of Skull Kid's mind. I see it like this: while the Mask controlled Skull Kid, it sent him with his wishes to the Moon, with friends and stuff. Although 'tortured' by the fact that they were still not playing with him?

So yeah, what you said makes a lot of sense, buuuuut... it's still the Mask's doing. The kids, regardless of its "inspiration", are there because of the Mask's choice of making them appear, even if it's to torture the poor bastard, and you're right, the Mask is off by itself by the final battle (and the final battleground has nothing to do with Skull Kid). So I dunno... wanna change that? I think if we did it'd be a little too theorish (though that isn't necessarily bad, seeing how by itself, the description of the Moon is as WTFing as it is in-game). --Roberto 03:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Twilight Princess

I've heard here and there that Majora's Mask may have something to do with Midna in TP, since her left eye shares the same design as Majora's. Anyone else heard anything like that, or have any news about it?

• In an old version of the article somebody added it, but since Wikipedia is not a gipsy carnival stand and other than the eye design that could just be a vague reference or whatever there's no real proof, it got removed. I guess you'll just have to wait until Twilight Princess is released? --Roberto 03:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

By the way -- if you're wondering, no relation with Midna at all. --Roberto 05:50, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Removals, references, and stuff

"The skull kid tried to keep his mind off it them by induldging himself in malicious michief, but the mask proved too much for him, and eventually, it possessed his mind and will ending with the skull kid being a mere host to the evil spirit within the mask."

Just wanted to say I removed that because... by the beginning of the game (which is the period of time that paragraph is referring to) Skull Kid does take off the Mask and seems to still be "himself", not just a host. Also, I removed some other bits that just dragged on about Link's quest (since this is about the Mask, not Link).

I took the liberty to overwrite Image:Majora_mask.jpg because it was a bit too big, and the right needle of the Mask was incomplete for some reason.

Also, where does the HP come from? Do you calculate it measuring in... what exactly? =S And does it really need to be in the title? It looks kinda tacky, I mean it could be in the paragraph or something.

And finally, I added a reference list, so far with just one entry. If you have something to put in the article that came from another site, then use the reference tag (<ref>, the link, and </ref>) to get them more organized. Wohoo! --Roberto 03:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Survive for a sequel?

Does anyone think Majora could've survived for a sequel? I mean, Ganondorf survived for almost every game! DarkLink Metroid 01:27, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

• The Mask Salesman says that the evil has left the Mask or whatever... but who knows! Personally I think (and hope...) it was a one-time event =P, for anti-cliché sakes. It would be like brining Koholint back for another game, really... --Roberto 06:19, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

See Here. It says "But no one is certain that it is gone for good", so... well, with Nintendo, you never know... and they have a knack for avoiding clichés...

But that's just me, a loyal Nintendo fan...DarkLink Metroid 04:28, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Mhmm I know, read that before too =P, but the Salesman does say that evil has left the mask and stuff. So far no side story in Zelda has had a sequel, and I think that's healthy =). Plus what brings me down here is that Majora's Mask was never that popular (OMG NO TRIFORCE, etc.) --Roberto 05:50, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Boss sections

These need to be corrected, as they sound too much like a game guide.SuperDT 04:07, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

• Maybe you'll want to remove the indications of how to "easily defeat it" then? I think it's good to describe the way it attacks, since its one of the few things in the game that gives out Majora's actual character. But the tips could go since it does make it look guideish. Not sure if the video links entirely belong there either, maybe as external links if needed at all? --Roberto 06:19, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Spoiler Alert

I am really missing a spoiler alert here. Some people just do not want to know how the game ends!

Well, you shouldn't look up an article for Majora if you haven't completed the game yet anyway. That's just common sense! Dementus 13:20, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes you are REALLY missing the spoiler alert there, 'cos it has always been there my friend. --Roberto 05:50, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Manga stuff

Is it true? It reeks of gibberish to me, as the tale, as far as I can tell, is not in a Nintendo style at all. It needs fixings from someone knowledgable. Vitriol 19:05, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it could be deleted anyway, as there was stuff on it already. NEVR MIND DEN. Vitriol 19:08, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Uuuuh wait... what are we talking about here? --Roberto 05:50, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Question

Who is Majora?

Well, Majora is a Mask filled with evil magic. It was the main villain of the game Majora's Mask, and was one of the most powerful Zelda villains. The art at the top of the page depicts it. Tpganon 11/26/06 7:49 PM

No one really knows for sure. It might be a what. Majora is an entity or sorts, a deity I'd say (considering its altar and that it was worshipped in a sort of religious fashion by Termina's ancestors), that grants wishes. But it fills them with suffering. It also likes to dance, play games and make people suffer or die in them for no particular reason other than pleasure. Other than that, nobody but the script writers can really tell. I like to see it as the demon/god of wishes and pleasure, but that's just me =) --Roberto 05:50, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Majora's Mask... Again

See my post in the original topic. Can I move it, I did provide a reasonable explanation. -Chao9999 03:13, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Due to the lack of anybody even speaking, I'm gonna move it. -Chao9999 06:31, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, apparently the article "Majora's Mask" is a redirect article. I'd appreciate some help, and in the mean time, I'm going to consult my friend InShanee. -Chao9999 06:43, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Midna's Mask

Midna's mask looks similar to Majora's Mask (look at the remaining eye piece). Should this be mentioned? 19:08, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

If you look at the discussion, you'll find the answer. No, it shouldn't, there's no reason at all. -Chao9999 08:59, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

its hard to belive that a cute mask like that is full of evil Sailor cuteness 16:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

...? -Chao9999 03:08, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

Majora → Majora's Mask — I don't support the move, just putting this because Chao9999 didn't finish his move request TJ Spyke 04:02, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Survey

Add  # '''Support'''  or  # '''Oppose'''  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.

Survey - Support votes

1. support because the source of the evil is Majora's Mask, not some character Majora. when is "Majora" actually used? Majora's Mask (mask) would allow Majora's Mask to redirect to the common usage, the game, but have the correct page name for the item. see the official site, it is never called Majora. Scepia 08:11, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Survey - Oppose votes

1. Oppose. Given the article also discusses "Majora's Incarnation" and "Majora's Wrath", Majora seems appropriately inclusive. Also agree with the objection to "Majora's Mask (mask)" in the comments section, and am not opposed to the encyclopedic content being merged into a broader article. Niteowlneils 00:56, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

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• Comment, on principle, I oppose the move because first, "Majora's Mask (mask)" sounds really stupid and second, Majora isn't just a mask (as seen in the final battle) so it wouldn't be appropriate to call it Majora's Mask. Anyway, I actually advocate merging this page into Characters in The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask because the article is way too long for a character that only appeared in one game. Most of it is crufty plot summary anyway so it wouldn't be too hard. I vote merge to Characters in The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask and redirect to The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask. Axem Titanium 22:29, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
  • I agree with your suggestion, and this article does seem way too long for a character that only appears in 1 game. TJ Spyke 04:22, 22 December 2006 (UTC)