Talk:State of Palestine

Merge proposal

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Proposal to merge Occupied Palestinian territories into this article. The two topics are the same, geographically and politically. There is no precedent for such a State-Territory article split across our encyclopedia; even looking at other states with limited recognition like Kosovo and Taiwan. And the content of the two articles is entirely overlapping – there is nothing in the OPT article that isn’t (or shouldn’t be) already in the SoP article. Onceinawhile (talk) 18:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Onceinawhile, RfCs aren't meant for merge discussions (see WP:RFCNOT. Can you try again using the process described at WP:MERGE? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:14, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

I am conflicted with this one, as apparently is everybody else, judging by the recent ICJ opinion. One article refers to the occupation of and the other to territory claimed by but the territory itself is the same territory. And there is the never ending split personality debate as to Palestinian statehood, even tho the ICJ opinion is quite explicit about the right to self determination and the need for the occupation to end. It's like pulling teeth and I agree there is no precedent but the whole situation has been described as sui generis and maybe it is. My opinion is that we should leave it be just for the moment (same with the "territories", it ought really to be "Territory" but again, let it lie for now, maybe). Selfstudier (talk) 19:33, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

I agree with @Selfstudier's points. I would also add that the State-Territory split, while rare at the moment, is almost certain to become common this century due to rising sea levels caused by climate change.

According to Effects of climate change on small island countries#Maldives:

Climate change is a major issue for the Maldives. As an archipelago of low-lying islands and atolls in the Indian Ocean, the existence of the Maldives is severely threatened by sea level rise. By 2050, 80% of the country could become uninhabitable due to global warming. According to the World Bank, with "future sea levels projected to increase in the range of 10 to 100 centimeters by the year 2100, the entire country could be submerged". The Maldives is striving to adapt to climate change, and Maldivian authorities have been prominent in international political advocacy to implement climate change mitigation.

According to Effects of climate change on small island countries#Kiribati:

The existence of the nation of Kiribati is imperilled by rising sea levels, with the country losing land every year. Many of its islands are currently or becoming inhabitable due to their shrinking size. Thus, the majority of the country's population resides in only a handful of islands, with more than half of its residents living on one island alone, Tarawa. This leads to other issues such as severe overcrowding in such a small area. In 1999, the uninhabited islands of Tebua Tarawa and Abanueaboth disappeared underwater. The government's Kiribati Adaptation Program was launched in 2003 to mitigate the country's vulnerability to the issue. In 2008, fresh water supplies began being encroached by seawater, prompting President Anote Tong to request international assistance to begin relocating the country's population elsewhere.

Misha Wolf (talk) 20:45, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

I probably agree with Selfstudier and Misha Wolf at the moment. Andre🚐 07:37, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 September 2024

please change Palestine,[i] officially the State of Palestine,[ii][e] is a country in the southern Levant region of West Asia recognized by 145 out of 193 UN member states. It encompasses the Israeli-occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, collectively known as the Occupied Palestinian territories, within the broader geographic and historical Palestine region. The country shares most of its borders with Israel, and it borders Jordan to the east and Egypt to the southwest. It has a total land area of 6,020 square kilometres (2,320 sq mi) while its population exceeds five million people. Its proclaimed capital is Jerusalem, while Ramallah serves as its administrative center. Gaza City was its largest city until 2023.[3][4]

To Palestine,officially the State of Palestine, is a country in the southern Levant region of West Asia recognized by 145 out of 193 UN member states. It encompasses the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, collectively known as the Palestinian territories, within the broader geographic and historical Palestine region. The country shares most of its borders with Israel, and it borders Jordan to the east and Egypt to the southwest. It has a total land area of 6,020 square kilometres (2,320 sq mi) while its population exceeds five million people. Its proclaimed capital is Jerusalem, while Ramallah serves as its administrative center. Gaza City was its largest city until 2023.[3][4] AEOM20 (talk) 10:11, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

East Jerusalem is part of the Palestinian territories. Slatersteven (talk) 10:15, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Not done, not an improvement. Selfstudier (talk) 10:25, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Formatting of Information in this Article

While I am unable to make edits as I am not an extended confirmed user, I have noticed a pretty signifigant issue with how information is formatted in this article. A lot of information in the opening paragraphs could definitely be spread into existing or new sub-sections throughout the article, such as Israeli settlements or other topics of Palestinian displacement. Because all of this information is in the first few paragraphs, it comes of as jumping around from topic to topic.

I want to help with this issue, however I am very far from the 500 edit requirement to be an extended confirmed user as I'm newer to the platform. Is it possible to request a page admin to allow me access so I can restructure information in a more organized format? Tylermack999 (talk) 14:34, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

A request of that nature would be declined, for sure. The purpose of the first 4 paragraphs is described in WP:LEAD. It should be a summary of the article body. Sean.hoyland (talk) 15:04, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 October 2024

Revert the change that @64.114 etc made, which removed "Palestine, officially" from the lede. This change was made without consensus and altered a longstanding introduction. AG202 (talk) 12:21, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

 Done Remsense ‥ 论 12:24, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 October 2024

Following the death of Yahya Sinwar, references to him as the current leader of Hamas should be removed. The section stating, "While Yahya Sinwar is the leader of the Hamas government in the Gaza Strip," should be updated to "Leader in the Gaza Strip: Vacant," to align with the information on the Hamas Wikipedia page. Matthew4100002 (talk) 18:05, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

 In progress: An editor is implementing the requested edit. TheWikiToby (talk) 19:26, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

 Done TheWikiToby (talk) 19:35, 17 October 2024 (UTC)