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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (June 2013)

ICHTHUS

June 2013

From the Editor

Since its formation in 2006, WikiProject Christianity has come a long way. A significant number of new articles have appeared on a wide range of topics, and the quality of some key articles has seen dramatic improvement. Yet, by the very nature of the open, crowd-sourced development environment in which we operate, as the number of pages in the project has increased at times our attention has been naturally diluted. We should of course strive for quality everywhere, but we should remember that this newsletter is called Ichthus.

Starting this month we will start a "Focus on" series, where we will try to "bring Jesus back" and focus on him. For five consecutive issues we will focus on one aspect of the study of Jesus. The goal of this series is to inform our members of what the project contains and highlight those articles which have reached quality and stability.

From this month until November we will focus on the historical Jesus, a topic which has been the subject of much discussion on article talk pages, as well as the general media. This is an important topic, and we have a good set of well referenced articles on that now. Then, starting in December we will focus on Christ, and the spiritual and theological elements that the title entails. Following that the review of the life and ministry of Jesus in the New Testament, his miracles, and parables will take place. And each month the "Bookshelf" will mention a book that fits the theme of the month.

We hope you will enjoy this journey as we present a new aspect of Jesus each month. And given that as the number of project pages increases, the ratio of those watching the pages declines, we hope that more of you will watch some of these central pages that help define this project.

Church of the month

The current building of All Saints' Church, Winthorpe in Nottinghamshire, England which was completed in 1888, is at least the third version of the church, which dates back to at least the early 13th century.

Good articles and DYKs
The article Jesus received the good article mark last month, as did Cleeve Abbey. A number of churches were featured on the main page in the DYK section in May, namely St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St Patrick's Liverpool, Vlah Church, Freerslev Church, Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption, Mata-Utu, St. Michael's Cathedral (Sitka, Alaska), St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St. Pierre Cathedral, Saint-Pierre, Mont Saint Michel Abbey, St Patrick's Church, Liverpool, Vlah Church, St Catherine of Siena Church, Cocking, Catedral Nuestra Señora de La Asunción, Roholte Church, Notre Dame Cathedral, Taiohae, Leicester Abbey, Caracas Cathedral, Caldey Abbey, King's Mead Priory, Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (Hong Kong) andAll Saints' Church, Winthorpe, as well as the hymn What Wondrous Love Is This.

Focus on...

THE
HISTORICAL JESUS

Did Jesus exist? Did he walk the streets of Jerusalem? The Historicity of Jesus article answers these questions with a firm affirmative. Historicity does not discuss if Jesus walked on water, but if he walked at all. The issue was the subject of scholarly debate before the end of last century, but the academic debate is almost over now. As the article discusses, virtually all academic opposition to the existence of Jesus has evaporated away now and scholars see it as a concluded issue. The discussion is now just among mostly self-published non-academics.

In 2011 John Dickson tweeted that if anyone finds a professor of history who denies that Jesus lived,he would eat a page of his Bible (Matthew 1 he said). Dickson's Bible is still safe.

The article discusses the ancient sources that relate to Jesus and how they fit together to establish that he existed. The evidence for Jesus is not just based on the Christian gospels, but by inter-relating them with non-Christian sources, and the fact that they all "fit together". Moreover, the existence of Jesus is not supported just by Christian scholars and in recent years the detailed knowledge of Jewish scholars and their discoveries (e.g. Shlomo Pines' discovery of the Syriac Josephus) has proven highly beneficial. We encourage you to read and follow the article, for the existence of Jesus is central to the existence of Christianity.

From the bookshelf

Jesus Outside the New Testament: An Introduction to the Ancient Evidence by Robert Van Voorst, 2000 ISBN 0-8028-4368-9

Just a few years after its publication, Van Voorst's book has become the standard comprehensive text for the discussion of ancient sources that relate to Jesus and his historicity. This detailed yet really readable book has received wide ranging endorsements - Blomberg and Harris separately referring to it as the most comprehensive treatment of the subject.

Did you know...

A Handel manuscript

• ... that Johann Sebastian Bach wrote the initials "S. D. G.", for Soli Deo Gloria, at the beginning and end of all his church compositions to give God credit for the work, and that Handel at times did the same?

Calendar
The coming month includes days dedicated to the honor of Beheading of John the Baptist, Saints Peter and Paul, the Nativity of John the Baptist, and Saint Barnabas.

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Help requests
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Thanks for the invite. I'm always glad to help out the Signpost. Chris Troutman (talk) 21:20, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Interview request: Your interactions with new editors

I'm contacting you about a study that I'm running with TheOriginalSoni exploring newcomer mentorship activities in Wikipedia. I'd like to ask you a few questions about your interactions with newcomers and to explore how a tool like WP:Snuggle might make your work easier. The interview and demo session will take 30 minutes to an hour depending on how much time we spend discussing things. If you're interested, let me know. If not, disregard this message and I won't bother you again.

• Study overview: meta:Research:Peer_mentorship_and_snuggle
• Consent form: meta:Research:Peer_mentorship_and_snuggle/Consent

Thanks for your consideration. --EpochFail (talk • contribs) 14:37, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I've read the consent page. Count me in. Chris Troutman (talk) 05:03, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Rudy Boesch

The article Rudy Boesch you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Rudy Boesch for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Wasted Time R -- Wasted Time R (talk) 16:10, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for the welcome! HouseOfArtaxiad (talk) 16:00, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Working with Psych Davidson class this semester?

Hi, Chris!!

I know you were working with Kasey last semester to on-board as a Campus Ambassador, but I wasn't sure if you were working with Greta Munger and her psych class yet. Have you been working with Greta, and/or would you like me to put you in touch with her? Hope things are great! JMathewson (WMF) (talk) 22:47, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

You're thinking of someone else. Davidson is in North Carolina; I'm in California. Chris Troutman (talk) 19:27, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

24th Expeditionary Air Support Operations Squadron

Re: 24th Expeditionary Air Support Operations Squadron.

Conerning my edit for the above article, the "B-class" criteria (and/or assessment) is not required for a "Stub" assessment. I'm unaware how long you have not edited a "B-class" assessment was unfortunately you are the second person who is way behind in the "B-class" is not valid within the "Stub" assessment for WP:Military History. Simply, it is a waste of space. Adamdaley (talk) 05:29, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

First, you haven't answered the issue of putting articles into Category:Military history articles with incomplete B-Class checklists unnecessarily. Second, while the criteria isn't required for a stub, there's no reason to remove that coding. It's not a "waste of space." For example, someone might assess the article as Start/C-class and they could check off which of the B-class criteria it does or doesn't meet. Finally, don't write in the edit summary that you're assessing an article when all you're really doing is deleting code and slapping a talkheader on. In conclusion, this is pretty poor editing behavior from a former WPMILHIST coordinator. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:48, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

There needs to be a huge expansion to the article to have the "B-class" criteria. It could It could be a "B4" for grammar, and "B5" for supporting materials. It would failed the others. Really, there is no need for this until it gets a huge expansion. Until then, it remains a "Stub" without the "B-class" criteria. Adamdaley (talk) 23:40, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

And it sits in Category:Military history articles with incomplete B-Class checklists until someone fixes your error. I'm not saying that article is B-class. I'm saying to leave the coding with it saying "B1=no", etc. That way, it's easier for other editors to change it to "yes" when applicable rather than have to paste in the coding from the template.

Regardless, your edits are faker than a three-dollar bill. Stop deleting code and calling it "assessed." What kind of assessment is it when the class doesn't change from the previous assessor? If you want to grind editcount, do something useful. There are plenty of other articles that someone has actually asked to be re-assessed. Consider performing a GA review. Chris Troutman (talk) 03:24, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Trappist the monk

Hey, just a heads up to let you know that I changed the formatting of your vote so that Pedro was no longer wikilinked. There's apparently a bug in the report so it thought Pedro had voted twice. Hope you don't mind. I'll also report the bug.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:26, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

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WikiProject Military history coordinator election

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Precious

cleanup
Thank you for quality articles such as Rudy Boesch, for "beginning the cleanup" and making the small steps in the right direction, - you are an awesome Wikipedian! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:05, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

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Reflinks

Hi Chris troutman. I'm not sure how to use Reflinks to fix link rot on articles. Will you teach me how to do so? Thanks. Jianhui67 Talk 12:56, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

I can help you with Reflinks. As the page describes, you can put it into your Vector/CSS skin. After that, you just hit the button. I can help you from there. Be advised, Reflinks fixes bare URLs, but can't actually fix link rot. You'd have to also make use of something like the Wayback machine. Let me know once you have it installed. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:01, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

I have the code installed on my vector.js already. Jianhui67 Talk 05:39, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok. There should now be a link on the left side of the screen in amongst the "toolbox" links called Reflinks. When you have a bare URL external link within ref coding like <ref>[en.wikipedia.org ]</ref>, Reflinks will bring up an interface to grab data from the URL and suggest what citation template should be used. You can select which one you want to use from a pull-down menu. At the bottom of that page you'll hit "preview" and the interface will return to the normal edit interface of the wiki. You can then save the page as you normally would.

The interface isn't perfect. It can't draw information from URLs that link to PDF files. Sometimes the URL will have odd metadata that you may have to correct before saving. I have found that the Reflinks interface will only handle a maximum of about 20 bare URLs before it locks up. I typically only go 5 at a time to speed the process. Chris Troutman (talk) 05:56, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to keep you waiting. I'll try out Reflinks when I have time. I have history exam tomorrow. I can only edit on my phone. Jianhui67 Talk 07:06, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

I tested Reflinks today and thanks to you, I know how to use Reflinks. Thanks! Jianhui67 Talk 11:36, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2013 September newsletter

In 30 days, we will know the identity of our 2013 WikiCup champion. Cwmhiraeth (submissions) currently leads; if that lead is held, she will become the first person to have won the WikiCup twice. Sasata (submissions), Hawkeye7 (submissions)—who has never participated in the competition before—and Casliber (submissions) follow. The majority of points in this round have come from a mix of good articles and bonus points. This final round is seeing contributions to a number of highly important topics; recent submissions include Phoenix (constellation) (FA by Casliber), Ernest Lawrence (GA by Hawkeye7), Pinniped, and red fox (both GAs by Sasata).

The did you know (DYK) eligibility criteria have recently changed, meaning that newly passed good articles are accepted as "new" for did you know purposes. However, in the interests of not changing the WikiCup rules mid-competition, please note that only articles eligible for DYK under the old system (that is, newly created articles or 5x expansions) will be eligible for points in this year's WikiCup. We do, however, have time to discuss how this new system will work for next year's competition; a discussion will be opened in due course. On that note, thoughts are welcome on changes you'd like to see for next year. What worked? What didn't work? What would you like to see more of? What would you like to see less of? All Wikipedians, new or old, are also warmly invited to sign up for the 2014 WikiCup.

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Your GA nomination of Ernest C. Brace

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Your GA nomination of Ernest C. Brace

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Clarification regarding original research

Hi Chris, belated thanks for your Sept 19 contribution to the discussion I started on the talk page for Thomas More. Can I respectfully ask you to consider whether the following comment, which you addressed to me, is appropriate: "Perhaps you should learn about Wikipedia before you attempt further edits. It is not the job of editors to philosophize about St. Thomas More". I hope that if you reflect on that you'll see that it's a lecture I don't need. Firstly, you're entirely mistaken that I have "philosophized" about More or anyone else. As I've explained on the More talk page, I'm proposing to delete opinionated and unsourced material, not add anything (let alone my own research). But on a more personal note (and this is why I decided to leave this message on your page, rather than confuse the More talk page still further) I have to say I resent your suggestion that I'm attempting to publish original material. I don't need you to draw my attention to Wikipedia's prohibition on original material, indeed if you had taken the trouble to read my submission on the talk page (there's no obligation on you to do so but since you were commenting on what I'd written I thought you might have) you'd have seen that I had already linked to the selfsame prohibition.

In short, if you think I'm trying to publish original material then please substantiate that accusation, otherwise I'd be grateful if you would withdraw it. As someone who considers himself a conscientious Wikipedia editor, I take that accusation personally, and I'd very much like it to be retracted. Thank you. Brooklyn Eagle (talk) 00:35, 8 October 2013 (UTC)