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Require administer for discussion in talk page of Nanking Massacre

I see you are an administrator.If you are an administrator, can you administer the discussion of Nanking Massacre in its talk page? This discussion is totally mess. I hope there is at least two administrator to administer it for fair.
It is really a mess and endless discussion if no administrator to manage it. I hope at least two administrator to manage this. There will be no result to make everyone satisfactory. I hope there is a vote which is managed by administrator. Otherwise, this discussion will be endless. Everyone is wasting their time. This discussion started from section "I see a significant change of the figure about people killed in this Massacre".
Miracle dream (talk) 23:42, 22 February 2014

In regards to "Kevin Strom's continuation of NA"

This information is false and misleading. Strom is illegally using copyrighted names an logos of the National Alliance. See: http://www.narrg.com/2013/12/response-to-illegal-attempt-at-appropriating-national-alliance-assets/

Require administer for discussion in talk page of Nanking Massacre

I see you are an administrator.If you are an administrator, can you administer the discussion of Nanking Massacre in its talk page? This discussion is totally mess. I hope there is at least two administrator to administer it for fair.
It is really a mess and endless discussion if no administrator to manage it. I hope at least two administrator to manage this. There will be no result to make everyone satisfactory. I hope there is a vote which is managed by administrator. Otherwise, this discussion will be endless. Everyone is wasting their time. This discussion started from section "I see a significant change of the figure about people killed in this Massacre".
Miracle dream (talk) 23:42, 22 February 2014

Kingdom of tondo

it's ok My friend emailed me a wrong source so i have to check carefully ...

David Pakman

I have been listening to this show for a long time and Pakman has made it clear that he identifies as Jewish. I don't know why Jewish shouldn't appear anywhere on the wiki. Here's a video saying very clearly he is ethnically Jewish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjOYXnP3XPw

that takes care of the ethnicity part. This is important because it has come up with anti-Jewish guests who use his Jewish ethnicity and religion as a topic of discussion. The least we should do is properly show he is and does identify as Jewish. The library of videos of him clearly identifying as Jewish are widespread. What else can be provided to properly edit the profile? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.152.71.115 (talk) 00:39, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

That will be enough, link that as a reference. Dougweller (talk) 17:57, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Made the change with the reference you OKd and S.M.Samee reverted it twice arguing that the website isn't acceptable. It is incredibly that the subject of the page themselves making a statement is not acceptable. it is hugely concerning that someone widely self-described as Jewish can't be identified as such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.152.71.115 (talk) 12:46, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

good

now you can edit the article and resolve the issue since you found a source that says he was the founder and does not mention the others as "founders" 95.199.210.43 (talk) 14:24, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Questionable pages (again)

Hello Dougweller. I noticed that you had warned Omar Choudhry about his questionable page moves. He has done it twice again with Innaa Lillaahi Wa Innaa Ilayhi Raaji'oon and with Jazakallaah, using his own non-standard "system" of Romanization. I think he needs to be stopped before he changes more pages. Thank you for your attention.--Akhooha (talk) 17:37, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

That was before I warned him. But I do need help moving them back! Akhooha, could you also post to his talk page about this? Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 18:18, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for reply. I just tried to undo his changes to those pages, but I got the message "The edit appears to have already been undone", even though it appears not to have been undone. Perhaps it takes time to register properly? I have not moved (or unmoved) pages before, and I may not know how to do it properly. In any case, I will leave on a note on his talk page.--Akhooha (talk) 18:42, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, User:Akhooha. If up at the top of an article (under the menu that leads to your pages and watchlist) there is a drop down menu that says Page, click on that and it should say "move page" as a choice. Read WP:MOVE. Dougweller (talk) 20:38, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know how to do it. (Note: on the WP pages I see, there is no drop down menu under "Page" --- the drop down menu is labelled aith an inverted triangle and is next to the searchbox). In any case, before you told me how to do it, I took what was probably the long way around, the end result being that the pages I'd mentioned have now been restored to the names prior to Omar Choudhry's unwelcome intervention.--Akhooha (talk) 21:49, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For doing much fine work as an admin. For notifying AGK about the stuff at Jimbo's talkpage 75* 17:55, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry about the lack of citations and the errors

Emperor Wen of Han article,

I have struggled to grasp the English keyboard and find it even difficult since they automatically correct me when I speak. My source on the Han has been a compilation of many articles I have written. Also it has been proven that rulers after Lui Bang and before Han Wendi were never official emperors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by XinChiJuan (talk • contribs) 18:30, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Message

Friend, do not waste anymore of your time on User:Maeveh. Jonas Vinther (talk) 01:03, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

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User:Maeveh

Unblocked.[1] What can I say, I'm a soft touch. There are certainly problems, but they did respond to your appeal for an explanation, and also I think the socking was inadvertent. Bishonen | talk 14:02, 14 May 2014 (UTC).

BishonenSounds good, but he isn't discussing it on the article talk page and is still removing the same templates and adding his favorite images. He's been reverted by 5 editors and he still insists on having things his own way. And the images may be deleted as he's shown no evidence that they are copyright free and they will be deleted in 3 days. Dougweller (talk) 15:09, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Actually I think it's 6 editors. Dougweller (talk) 15:22, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Nordic Race pictures

How I can change the information in the Wikimedia Commons?

These pictures are public plates, as you can see, they are very old photos of racial anthropology. The pictures don`t violate copyrrights . I want to edit the information of the pictures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maeveh (talk • contribs) 15:34, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Krizpo

Hi Dougweller. Quirxian was the person to notify on suspected socks of Krizpo; may I report to you now? See [2]. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 19:35, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Sican is located in Ferreñafe

The Sican National Museum is located in Ferreñafe. The Pomac Dry Forest (where most of the Sican are found) is in Ferreñafe, meaning within its jurisdiction. The Sican also predominated in other areas of the Lambayeque Region.

refer Ferreñafe Province  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caballito de Mar Peru (talk • contribs) 22:26, 14 May 2014 (UTC) 

Scarcity or lack of resources

There was not scarcity or lack of ingredients, but of resources bring them to the country. Since the adaptation to peruvian rich biodiversity has not been forced, and after a couple of centuries around in contemporary history, it is authentic to what is know today as Peru. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caballito de Mar Peru (talk • contribs) 22:40, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Caballito de Mar Peru, I see what you mean, but when we talk about any ethnic food being authentic we mean as made in the country of it's origin. You might have authentic Peruvian Chinese food, but it would be a version of authentic Chinese food. Dougweller (talk) 18:36, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard

Please send some feedback here here. You seem like a very experienced editor with fringe theories and original research. Khazar (talk) 23:48, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Islamophobia

Please note concession and final edit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Derntno Derntno (talk) 14:40, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Page move undone, but not all the way

Hi Dougweller, I see you're making more progress in undoing Omar Choudhry's undiscussed page moves, the most recent undoing being the page Aalameen. The page had originally been Alamin, which Choudhry first changed to Aalameen and then to 'Aalameen. Since his second change still reflects his non-standard transliteration, it may be a good idea to revert it further to the original Alamin. What do you think? Thanks for your attention.--Akhooha (talk) 15:59, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

More Choudhry contributions

I've just taken a look at other contributions of user Omar Choudhry, and it seems like pretty much all of them reflect his own idiosyncratic "system" of transliteration and involve numerous unhelpful page moves and redirects, as well as unexplained removal of content. I'm not familiar with the procedures Wikipedia has for reporting such activity. Is there anything that can be done? I would appreciate your help. Thank you.

Dari (Persian dialect)

An editor undid an edit, rightly, at Dari (Persian dialect). However, the edit summary says nothing about undoing vandalism. I'm just wondering if, when one specifies that vandalism is being undone, the IP address is somehow taken note of somewhere, so that if that IP demonstrates a pattern of vandalism, the address can be blocked. In other words, I just wondered whether it is important to specify that one is undoing vandalism to establish some kind of record for that IP address. If not, then O.K. I just thought I'd ask. CorinneSD (talk) 17:33, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

@CorinneSD: No. What is useful is a warning note on the IP's talk page. Do you use Twinkle? Dougweller (talk) 18:34, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

No. I don't even know what it is. CorinneSD (talk) 19:37, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Ah. CorinneSD, see WP:TWINKLE. Very useful, just be careful with it. I couldn't cope without it or something similar. Dougweller (talk) 19:58, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

"Your translation issue is irrelevant"

I ask again, for the purpose of building a paper trail for future appeal, what does word "zugang" mean in German? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.22.81 (talk) 03:08, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Replied on apparent Holocaust denier's talk page - we don't translate words this way, we simply represent what the sources (which are in English) say, and the IP is misrepresenting the sources. Dougweller (talk) 11:03, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)The German word zugang translates in English to "access/entrance/gate" etc. So what is your point? Doc talk 11:14, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Doc9871, it relates to [3] and [4]. But the sources are what we go by. Dougweller (talk) 11:50, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

The IP is edit-warring. Their first revert quite dubiously removed a reference,[5] and they continue to remove the reference. The IP should be blocked for edit-warring at the very next revert. Doc talk 12:31, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, definitely. Dougweller (talk) 13:50, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Lloyd Pye's wife

Removing all information re Amy Vickers on Lloyd Pye just because you don't know whether she majored or graduated seems excessive. Being married is quite a significant part of a person's bio and was properly cited so should be restored. Feel free to rephrase as "then a student of archeology" or similar if you think it improves the article. Darmot and gilad (talk) 15:51, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Darmot and gilad, that's why I said properly sourced. He is dead, but not that long, so [{WP:BLP]] might still apply for his marriage. In any case Red Ice Creations isn't a WP:RS for his marriage. Can you find a better source? Dougweller (talk) 16:15, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

At the moment I have no other sources for the material. I consider an interview with a dead man's former wife to be a sufficient source. One could argue that the source does not say Amy Vickers "is an archeologist" merely that she was a student of archeology and I could accept an edit which clarified this but am minded to revert your wholesale excision of my contribution. I will leave it a few days to see if you come up with something better. Darmot and gilad (talk) 17:21, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

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User:Kutsuit using Kaveh Farrokh

Would you care to explain to this user how Kaveh Farrokh is not a reliable source?[6] --Kansas Bear (talk) 06:32, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

@Kansas Bear: Sorry, forgot about this and just too tired this evening to do it. Long day, bad back, etc. Tomorrow. Dougweller (talk) 21:01, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Done. Dougweller (talk) 17:17, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

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Mal'ta-Buret' culture

Would you mind checking the latest edits to Mal'ta-Buret' culture? An editor made an addition, with a few stumbles along the way, and included several edit summaries. I cannot judge the appropriateness of the added material (unless I do some research, which I will if necessary), but I think there are a few problems with the syntax and with the type of quotation marks used. If the material is acceptable, I can work on the syntax and quotation marks if you don't want to, but feel free to do so. CorinneSD (talk) 20:07, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Vishnu at the helpdesk

You may be interested: Wikipedia:Help_desk#vishnu.2Fshiva. Chaheel Riens (talk) 20:50, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Mirtuh' block

He can be unblocked? If he takes his legal threats back, and inform that he had no intention. If I am not wrong, you should notify him about it. Bladesmulti (talk) 02:45, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

That's what the block notice said, but he was warned before and ignored it. I'll leave it up to other Admins. Dougweller (talk) 05:05, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Credibility of the Authors

I am a regular visitor of Shiva,Vishnu page. I have checked with the References section. They have taken quotes from a controversial author called Wendy Doniger.Her book "The Hindus An Alternative History" got banned by an Indian Court. Despite its commercial values, One country's constitutional decision has to be respected. You are already doing a wonderful job of banning miscreant sectarians like Mirtuh who was fooling around people with legal threats. Please take into account the reference being made and also the author's credibility. It's not about gods but about Truth and Neutral content.I think this is not done yet. If i am allowed, i request you to extend your fabulous work by removing controversial references. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atif Aslaam (talk • contribs) 10:26, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

race and IQ

Thanks for your message on my talk page. I hope this is the right way of responding to this. I am not sure if I should attempt to further reason, I did however have the question how I could remove myself from Wikipedia's list of Editors. I am still considering this, being an Editor here and contributing is important to me, however, the way I was treated and threatened here leaves a very bad taste behind. Would you be able to let me know how I could remove myself from Wikipedia, if I chose to do so?

As for further reasoning, I feel uncomfortable to further post on the board given the things people like Stephan Schulz say, I see this as clearly threatening behavior, I am surprised it is tolerated! A few facts, perhaps you can use them on my behalf in order to get the paragraph changed? Or, alternatively, if you can give your OK, so that I can post this without being attacked, then I would post something like this on the admin board page in order to contribute to getting the article improved.

1) A large majority of Americans is opposed to affirmative action (http://prospect.org/article/where-do-americans-stand-affirmative-action) which may indicate the exact opposite of what you have claimed, e.g. that only the far right denies that minorities are disadvantaged. It seems to me from this data that a majority or at least a very large group of people believes that minorities are no disadvantaged. The source specifically mentions also that discrimination against white people (European Americans) is seen as a serious problem by many.

2) http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2012/02/do-medical-school-acceptance-rates-from.html ; . As you can see from actual data (!), medical schools, as but one example, in the lowest MCAT and GPA brackage admit 7% of Asian American students, and 12% of European American students, but they admit 67% of African American students.

3) The issue is further detailed in Wikipedia's article on Affirmative action in the United States, showing further similar statistics when scrolling down. 67% versus 12% and 7% is not a negligible disadvantage for European and Asian American students, it is a huge disadvantage. In the lowest bracket of MCAT and GPA a European or Asian American student basically has virtually no chance of becoming a doctor (no certification without MD), while an African American student has a 2/3 chance. In the second highest bracket, a European or Asian American student has only a 50:50 chance of pursuing his desired profession as a doctor, while an African American student is virtually guaranteed a place.

4) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_sGn6PdmIo ; Thomas Sowell, who is not a right wing nut, but basically a libertarian, he was closely associated with Milton Friedman (who argued similar to Sowell) a widely respected economist and winner of the Prize for Economics in memory of Alfred Nobel, analyses and dismantles the very claims that the paragraph in question makes. This was 30 years back!

I am arguing with actual data from reliable sources, some of it sourced from Wikipedia itself. This kind of data has to be taken into account when making sweeping statements such as the paragraph. Why is it claimed that I do not understand what verifiability means (why is data that can be found on wiki itself called original research and dismissed?) when I am presenting hard numbers, while the other side merely parrots what a bunch of academic sociologist opinionated? Academics are of course the very people who perpetrate affirmative action in college, so how could they say anything else than what they did? They are biased and have a conflict of interest, the source is hence not reliable! How can actual data(!) that show a massive disparity in opportunity to pursue a rewarding and highly paid profession (European and Asian American students being vastly disadvantaged) simply be ignored and overruled by the opinion of a bunch of academic sociologists who need to somehow justify their action of favoring African Americans?

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eracekat (talk • contribs) 14:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

@Eracekat: I'm not sure you read all of the American Prospect article. Besides casting a bit of doubt on the Washington Post poll, it ends "As a country, we invested a tremendous amount of time and energy into building a caste society of racial inequality, and we’ve taken huge strides in dismantling it. But to build a society of racial equality and opportunity takes even more time, and even more energy. Which is why I can’t help but feel dread as we wait for the Supreme Court to announce its decisions on affirmative action and the Voting Rights Act. It’s clear that a majority of the Court is willing to end the former and sharply limit the latter. And if it does, it’s another sign that, regardless of what we say, we aren’t prepared to do what it takes to secure genuine racial equality. We never have been, and likely, we never will be." And of course the Supreme Court did just that as I recall. Anyone can leave Wikipedia but accounts aren't deleted. Don't post that on the Admin board - simply because that is not the right place for a content dispute, Administrators don't do that. You could try WP:DRN. But I suggest you just walk away as this is making you uncomfortable and frankly I don't see you gaining consensus, which is what you need. I've had to do that at times. Concentrate on other articles. Dougweller (talk) 14:31, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

What the author thinks is irrelevant, it is merely an opinion. The reference does however contain hard numbers verifying my point of view. Furthermore, you can see just how biased the author is, because it is claimed that racial equality can never be achieved, which basically implies that racist policies favoring some over others need to continue indefinitely. This is not logical, if something cannot be achieved, then why try achieve it? Are there people who sit above administrators who I could contact or are you guys the final authority? Has the Grub been asked to refrain from threatening other editors? How about Stephan Schulz with his boomerang?Eracekat (talk) 14:49, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a dispute resolution system that sometimes even works. There are several options, from a WP:RFC via WP:Mediation up to WP:ARBCOM. This topic has been escalated more than once - please read WP:ARBR&I for the latest outcome. I'm sorry you feel threatened by my comment at WP:ANI. But your behaviour is not in line with Wikipedia policies. Quite simply, you are wrong on the substance (that is my educated opinion), but you are also wrong on the understanding of policies - and that is as close to fact as you will get in this environment. What you do up on this page is a poster child of original research. It's also wrong, but that's neither here nor there. WP:V says we reflect what reliable sources say. If you can find a number of good reliable sources that state explicitly that there is no systemic bias against e.g. blacks in the US, we can include that (it has to be a number because the published literature overwhelmingly says the opposite, so you need to overcome WP:UNDUE). Your argument that there are no discriminatory laws anymore, and that affirmative action is discrimination in the other direction, and that therefore there is no systemic bias, is based on wrong assumptions and a wrong deduction. But even if it were right, it would still be original research, and hence unsuitable for Wikipedia. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 16:20, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/NeilN

I believe that this can be deleted under CSD criterion G6, as there was only other author anyway, and User:NeilN had declined the nomination. --Epicgenius (talk) 14:44, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, User:Epicgenius, I thought that might be the case. I probably would have done that when I got back to editing but my mobile alerted me to your message! Dougweller (talk) 14:58, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks to you both. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 15:27, 19 May 2014 (UTC)