User talk:Elonka

Archive 1

I hereby award Elonka this Barnstar of Diligence for her incredible defense of good manners and Wikipolicy, all while maintaining decorum and indefatigability.
  - C. dentata 02:22, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Pazmaneum and Péter Pázmány

Pazmaneum is a school, the Collegium Pazmaneum, a Catholic seminary founded in 1623 by Péter Pázmány for Hungarian students in Vienna. Pázmány was a big figure in the Counter-Reformation, archbishop, primate of Hungary, and also founded the first Hungarian university in 1635, which still survives in Budapest. But him being a Catholic archbishop, he is probably not your ancestor :-) See also: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11595c.htm

The surname is likely related to the Hont-Pázmány clan (also Hont-Pázmán, Hunt-Pázmán, Huntpázmány), which has an interesting history. According to the chronicles, the brothers Hont and Pázmán were Swabian (i.e. German) knights, who came to Hungary in the 10th century. They received huge tracts of land in what is today Western Slovakia, and the county Hont. They were the ancestors (documented from the 13th century) of a large number of noble families in Hungary, e.g. Forgách, Batthyány, Kővári, Bánki, Lázár, Ujhelyi, Szentgyörgyi and many more. Perhaps this gives you a starter...Hollomis 02:10, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing!

Your thoughts about Wikipedia are refreshing and exciting. It can be interesting to be inside of a thing and outside of it at the same time... Wikipedia is sort of like a blog on steroids which is under the control of WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency)! Lmcelhiney 18:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Badvertising

Hi, I created the badvertising article and have since noticed that it is tagged for clean-up and wikification. I wrote it pretty quickly and I know that certain aspects of it aren't encyclopaedic enough yet, but I was wondering what exactly you had in mind re the tagging? thank you. Saccerzd 14:55, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Lost mediation

The Zen Garden Award for Infinite Patience is awarded to you for extraordinary patience and perseverance in achieving a successful unanimous resolution to Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Lost episodes. Thatcher131 04:12, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I just wanted to return the thanks. I'm happy with the compromise, and I'm hopeful that we can build strong season articles, possibly even getting some of them to GA status. --Kahlfin 20:11, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your note

I'm glad that we're finally through the mediation. And I'm especially happy that I somehow avoided the onslaught of those angry mobs with pitchforks. :) Let's move forward. -- PKtm 21:27, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I know we've had our disagreements in the past (and still have some), but it looks like everything turns out for the best in the end. While we may not always see eye to eye, I enjoy working with people like you who are equally as passionate about making great, encyclopedic articles. Jtrost (^T | C | _#) 21:54, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Elonka Dunn Page

Just to let you know, I'll try and keep an eye on the Elonka Dunn page. I do think it's strange how your page is being targeted, I noticed that one of the vandals reacted to putting a notability tag on of their created articles by vandalising yours. It wouldn't suprise me if they're all related. Also I've been a bit busy recently but I'll have a look at the Fateh Snr article when I have more time. Englishrose 22:36, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[1] Sigh, so it looks like we've got multiple vandals.Englishrose 19:19, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Re CIFAL

Thank-you for your encouragement - you are most kind. I will proceed as suggested. Ben MacDui 18:39, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

As you discovered, I found a few somewhat unsatisfactory CIFAL references and posted them. Thank-you for the re-formatting. I see now that you are something of a celebrity, and I am reluctant to intrude but I wonder if I could take you up on your kind offer and provide me with a little assistance? I have crafted a longer article here, and I’d appreciate it if you could take a quick look. I don’t expect you will be interested in the content, but if you spot any wiki-howlers please let me know. Many thanks. Ben MacDui 15:16, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Maliciousness

They are not related. I nominated the article for deletion for the reasons articulated herein. Then unfamiliar with the rules of Wikipedia, I initially deleted the article with comments. I now know there is a quasi-democratic (perhaps excepting the content of this and related pages) process for deletion.

However, I feel the malicious comments made by others about this page and its subject are appalling and disgusting.

In trolling through comments and contributions made over time by Elonka, I might suggest that she edit in a less heavy-handed fashion so as to engender less hostility. Abrupt deletion of content in the face of her own somewhat grandiose family biographies can only engender a sense of imbalance. Nothing however justifies the crude and juvenile actions of the person posting under the 199 IP! DO NOT associate that with me.

Harangus

We're all still learning. You are correctly pointing out that there are two separate issues: 1) Elonka's editing style within the wikipedia universe, and 2) the status of the wikipedia article about Elonka Dunin. The appropriate place for discussing the former is on her user talk page, and the appropriate place for discussing the latter is here. If you do go to her user talk page you'll see quite a lot of spirited give and take (it ain't all pretty). -- Quartermaster 13:05, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Clyde Butcher entry tags you left

Hi, Elonka. I'm a friend of Clyde Butcher, and an author. He doesn't use the web much. His daughter maintains his website. I stumbled across his entry in Wikipedia and saw the info was incorrect and challenged, so I expanded on it. I'm new to Wikipedia so pointers on what I need to do to clean it up are appreciated. I did read the basics of Wikipedia but am unsure how much description beyond that which can be referenced to other web links is permissible. Thank you.Sfriendfla 04:29, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Holster references

I put some references in holster. They are all firearms related, and all but one are to commercial sites; one commercial link is to a Gun Tests review of holsters (trying to sell you on the magazine) and the rest are to various manufacturers of holsters. I think that they are still valuable references despite the commercial nature, since they do provide information on the holsters in question. Let me know what you think--if the commercial to information ratio is too high, if some are redundant, or anything you see that is lacking. scot 18:55, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Kydex

I added thermoplastic to the description (and I'm going to add Kydex to the list of thermoplastics therein), sectioned it, and completely re-worded the kydex vs. leather comparison to make it flow a bit better. That section is still a bit choppy, and I think that the article needs to list the non-holster related applications to be complete; most if not all of that information can probably be found on the corporate website. scot 20:30, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Clyde Butcher cleaned up

I found the necessary references for birth date and early life. Thanks for your assistance. Now I know what a Wikipedia bio sketch needs to look like! Regards. Sfriendfla 02:42, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Westview High School

Howdy! I deleted it quite a while ago, so the "it was going to be expanded shortly" argument doesn't seem to apply. I strongly suggest that you increase your use of the Preview button. There is no reason an article cannot avoid being a CSD A1 at any point in its lifecycle. The article also met the A7 notability deletion requirement, I merely chose A1 at the time because it was the most relevant. I look forward to reading a new version of the article that asserts its notability and contains enough content to stand on its own as an encyclopedia entry. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 19:19, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I created the stub last night, and was going to expand it this morning. That counts to me as a "too quick" deletion. As for A7, I strongly disagree, as there is a clear consensus that all public high schools are deserving of pages. Or are you just in the "anti-school" camp? In any case, since you're obviously active on Wikipedia at the moment, I would appreciate if you would undelete the article so that I can continue working on it. --Elonka 19:26, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Certainly! I've restored the content to your userspace here. I'm not anti-school, I'm just pro-CSD and anti-cruft. Best regards, CHAIRBOY (☎) 19:33, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Carly Corinthos

I have added an external link to a Soap Central page and have deleted your original research tag. In this case, I continue to believe that the show alone serves as the only "text" and "reference" needed in this article as it does in all other General Hospital articles that I have contributed to. There are any number of other articles related to television shows and fictional characters which I did not write in which that is also the case. I don't feel that an original research tag is appropriate here or would be unless the article contained incorrect information about the character or clearly one-sided opinions, which it does not.--Bookworm857158367 00:05, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I've read your comment, but I continue to disagree with your definition of original research. The show itself is the text and should be sufficient.--Bookworm857158367 19:01, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Review

Elonka, yes I'd be happy to do some general review. A thorough review I am not certain I have time for at the moment. I'm sorry for the late response, as it's been nearly a week since you wrote me. That's my life right now :/ --Durin 15:19, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Lost Barnstar

In recognition of excellence in editing Lost (TV series)

For your continued diligence in editing the Lost (TV series), I award you the "Lost Barnstar." Thank you for keeping watch over the articles! Please feel free to award this barnstar to those you believe deserving. —LeFlyman 21:33, 20 January 2006 (UTC) As far as I'm aware there are no official guidelines, just diligence and dedication to Lost related articles. Do you not have one? Jtrost (^T | C | _#) 11:50, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Well you've definately earned one! Jtrost (^T | C | _#) 12:56, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of MFJ Enterprises

Hello, I see that you did a prod tag on MFJ Enterprises back on September 28th. Unfortunately, I didn't notice and it was deleted by BInguyen on 3 October. I'm curious why you feel that this company does not meet WP:CORP requirements for listing? I won't undelete the article myself, but I'd like to see if I can come up with satisfactory evidence of notability before asking another admin to restore the article. Within the Amateur radio community this company is very well known, but I'm sure it is not so outside of that group. A quick google check turns up over 50K references and it company is regularly referenced in Amateur radio journals such as QST and CQ Amateur Radoi. What other evidence do you believe would represent needed notability? I don't want to see the article end up right in AfD if it comes back. Thanks. --StuffOfInterest 18:36, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your level head.

Hi, thanks for your level head in the Gary Troup Discussion. I really don't want to cause a stir. I'm just trying to put things in appropriate places. I do agree that right now that is the only reasonable category for the article, but I don't think it should stay there forever. Sorry to offend you if I have, but thanks for keeping your cool in response to that other guy. :) --Mr Vain 00:46, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

RfA

Hello, Elonka. I have been pondering this for a while now, and I was wondering if you would object to me submitting an RfA for you - you are a wonderful user! SergeantBolt (t,c) 14:43, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

No, Elonka, I have not subitted an RfA before however I understand the process perfectly after watching so many. You need not be worried! And yes, that's fine - it can wait! SergeantBolt (t,c) 21:32, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I have nominated you. You may accept the nomination here: Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Elonka. I will, of course, be supporting you and I wish you the best of luck! SergeantBolt (t,c) 19:33, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem, Elonka! I'd do it all over again if you wish! SergeantBolt (t,c) 10:49, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Editing Dravidian martial arts

Hi, Elonka. I have put the Dravidian martial arts in the Category: Dravidian martial arts and Dravidian. However, it was removed. Am I doing something wrong? Could you point me in the right direction of how to Categorize Dravidian martial arts? Thanks.

Wiki Raja 03:01, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

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Hello Elonka. Thanks for the reply. Well, I would have to partially agree and disagree. While Tamil martial arts which is also classified as Dravidian martial arts have been practiced in India for times history, these combative arts have been practiced in Sri lanka too. Actually, before the arrival of the British, Sri Lanka and India were not the names of this part of the world at one time. There were many kingdoms and even nations such as the Cholas, Cheras, and Pandyas of the Tamils. Pallavas of the Telugus, the Kingdoms of Kandy and Kotte of the Sinhalese, and so forth... The Tamil kingdoms were in both Southern India and Northeastern Sri Lanka respectively. So, I feel that the category Dravidian martial arts would be an appropriate classification since these arts cross borders. Lastly, I plan to expand on the Dravidian martial arts and to find more from other Dravidian groups such as the Kanaddigas, Telugus, and the Tulus. Much Regards. Wiki Raja 10:43, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

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Thank you Elonka. Wiki Raja 00:43, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Professionalism

I'm glad you think I'm helping, rather than hurting! :-) Unfortunately, I only watch the page after stumbling upon, and being shocked by, the second AfD, appearing as an instance of bullying by a high placed administrator, and kept up the watch as some pretty blatant attacks continued onit. I can generally notice and revert those, but I'm not qualified to judge more technical cryptography questions.

Someone being marked professional or amateur based on writing a published book on the topic does seem to be one of those fine points. I can see your point, and certainly won't argue the reverse either. However, I can also see that it might depend on the book. Specifically, for The Mammoth Book of Secret Code Puzzles, it might be compared to other authors of "puzzle" books involving codes. Possibly the most famous writer of those that I can think of off the top of my head would be Martin Gardner. Between his many works, he has probably written a total of more on recreational cryptography, yet is not referred to as a professional cryptographer in his article. The difference, of course, is that his books are more general recreational math books not focusing specifically on codes. In short, it is a very subtle point, and one that is beyond my qualifications. AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 16:34, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

RFA nomination

SergeantBolt (t,c) 20:44, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

RfA

Personally i'd just make a note on the RfA so people know (-: thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 22:19, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks very much for replying to my questions on my talk page. With your permission, I'll paste them into the RfA talk page as I think that is a better place for any discussion that may be generated to take place. --Guinnog 13:47, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

If youd like to speak in realtime i have added you @aol to MSN Messenger - you should see a request from: matthew@derwafflehaus.net thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 17:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Problem editor

I couldn't help notice some of the bile DreamGuy is putting around about you on your RFA. Funny how he just re-appeared out of nowhere when one of the people who's tried hardest to fight his poisonous abuse is nominated for admin, don't you think? In case you haven't seen the latest, he's actually trying to spin his history of sockpuppetry and general venomous destructivity into a pathetic victimization sob-story. His gall doesn't seem to have any bounds. Shameless. He's even accused me of "impersonating" him to make it seem like he was abusing sockpuppets. If it all wasn't so thoroughly insane it'd be funny. Anyway, all jokes aside, there seems to be a fair groundswell of support on seeing a permanent end to his poison, so if you or others want to initiate a formal process of some sort against him, I'll be happy to support it. --Centauri 09:10, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

WP:AUTO issues

I am quite suprised by the number of objects based on WP:AUTO; not only I don't think that (potential) vanity has nothing to do with being an admin and getting the 'mop'n'bucket', but I think that the entire policy of 'don't edit articles about yourself' is simply wrong, see my recent comments at WP:AUTO (basically I am afraid it may offend/scare many notable would-be contributors who are accused of bad faith). Perhaps you'd like to contribute to that debate (it seems more ppl are interested in using it as a bashing stick at RfA than to discuss its pros and cons at it's talk page).-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  16:38, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

The Glass Ballerina and Lost episode guidelines

Elonka, I know you're probably pretty consumed right now with answering questions surrounding your RfA, but I wondered if you could find time to weigh in on the discussion here about the plot summary for The Glass Ballerina. I do know that you accepted the 500-word outcome of the mediation a little reluctantly, but I've also been impressed with your doggedness at moving forward per the agreement. Thanks, and good luck with the RfA. -- PKtm 18:19, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

There are some odd challenges here on Wikipedia sometimes, aren't there? Thanks for doing the rewrite, which was above-and-beyond what I even asked for; it looks great, and seems to have been accepted (even if with some angry lashing out) by the other editor in the very odd squabble. Thanks again. -- PKtm 04:14, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

{{stub}}

Hi - I noticed you've been adding the stub tag to some articles. This category has been deprecated in favor of more specific stubs. If possible, could you try to use those? See Category:Stub categories thanks --- Skapur 04:31, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

It is still in use and active, yes, but it is also deprecated - sounds like a contradiction, but it's true. By that, I mean that it can be used, but its use is strongly discouraged and is usually inappropriate, since most (hopefully all) stub articles can use more specific stub templates, and as such it should not be used unless no more accurate template can be found. In practice, it is used by people who are far more interested in creating articles than categorising them (and let's face it, both jobs are important to the creation of Wikipedia, and some will be more interesdted in one task than the other), and they are left to stub sorters to move from there. This is the reason why Category:Stubs is frequently completely empty, and rarely has more than a few dozen stubs (out of several hundred thousand stub articles currently on Wikipedia). If it is possible for people to use more accurate stub types, though, it is always appreciated. Grutness...wha? 07:17, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. In those cases when I'm using something like WP:AWB and I'm rapidly going through hundreds of articles, is there a template that I can use to say, "I can tell that this article needs to be stubbed, but I don't have time to classify it right now"? Or would it be better to just put a "Cleanup|<date>" tag on it and move on, rather than trying to stub it?

No, it would be better just to use {{stub}} in that cases (that basically means pretty much that - it needs a stub tag, but I'm not sure which one), although if you could try to use a handful of the broader "bottom-level" stub categories (such as geo-stub for geographical locations and bio-stub for biographies) where appropriate it would help quite a bit :) Grutness...wha? 07:28, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

categorization

I notice that you're tagging all kinds of articles as being in need of categorization, often very quickly after yo tagged the previous. Have you really looked at those articles to determine that they really need categorization? If you have a specific category in mind, then just add it yourself. If you do not have a category in mind, how can you judge that the article needs any categorization? I would never have noticed your request for adminship if you hadn't gone through doing what looks to me like a very odd and poorly evaluated thing to do. Wryspy 05:44, 20 October 2006 (UTC) Where does Wikipedia say all articles are supposed to be categorized? Wryspy 05:50, 20 October 2006 (UTC) Okay, I found it, but tagging article after article without evaluating to see what category they need seems like an odd use of one's time. Wryspy 05:53, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Spongebong and speediness

CSD G10 is for articles that disparage their subjects. The clearest examples of these are "Josh Martin is a dick!", but it can apply to other biographies of living persons that have no NPOV version (so, for instance, a page about a local politician that attacks her integrity). While the subject of this article, Spongebong Hempants, is itself a parody/attack of another show, the article doesn't disparage its own subject.. So an article about a play called George Bush is Stupid would be okay, since the article itself doesn't attack GWB; if it's an NPOV article about the play's history and performances, it wouldn't fall under G10. (Stupid example, but I'm trying to give up caffeine.) As for A7, that's a greyer area: many editors criticize that criterion for being too subjective. I think that its use should be limited to people, groups (bands or sports clubs), or websites that are wholly unremarkable. The article in question says "television show" (though I doubt that), so it doesn't fall under "web content", and I really don't like stretching the definition of A7 that much. (I did, however, delete an article about a dog named Scruffy today, so clearly I'm willing to make exceptions.) I'm just one person, and I'm sure others disagree with me, but I spend a lot of time reviewing speedy candidates and helping to refine the criteria, so I feel somewhat qualified in my analysis.

As for your user page, I see that you're interested in becoming an admin. Do you have much experience with vandal fighting, AfD, or CSD? I'd be happy to look over your edits to see if I can make any suggestions about how to improve or develop towards your goal. (At first glance, you look much more qualified than I am!) -- Merope 18:24, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see you're running right now. Heh. I'll check out your edits and see if I want to weigh in. -- Merope 18:25, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Uncat

Thank you for your edit [2] to the article I created. I regard edits like these as a valuable addition to the project; without it I might not have realised my mistake in forgetting to categorise the article. Best wishes --Guinnog 18:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Good luck

Not sure if you'd remember me from back in the day of your dispute with DreamGuy, but I thought I would take the time to wish you luck on your attempt to become admin, EnglishRose has been kind enough to direct me to the pages of importance. If I was permitted to post there I would contribute to the vote but apparently I haven't edited enough! Either way, it's pretty sad to see some of the excuses of "opposes" given especially over self-publication and even more-so DreamGuy's own vindication. Hopefully this will not stop you from becoming admin because as I saw the incident occur firsthand and have been the victim of DreamGuy's own abuses (as has EnglishRose at the time) I can safely claim that you would make an excellent admin even if *some* of the admins here seem to be a bit thick-skulled (I whisper no names but I'm sure it's clear just looking around sometimes). Anyway once again good luck and hopefully common sense will actually get you through the voting process, I for one hope it does. RBlowes 19:25, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Antonia Bennett

I thought you might like to see my comments Talk:Antonia_Bennett#Non-deletion_review. Unfortunately, I did not see it on time. Danny 11:47, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Adminship

Well your request was unsuccessful, but it is clear your aim is in the right place in helping the project and it also seems that you have relevant skills and experience that could be valuable. Do the best you can to take into account the criticism received to the extent that it can help you contribute more successfully to the project and let the rest go. Let me know if I can do anything to help. - Taxman ^Talk 20:27, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Condolences. More than that, here.

A Barnstar!

The Resilient Barnstar For surviving an unusual and undeserved quantity of Wikipedia controversy, getting up, brushing yourself off, and continuing doing good work in the face of adversity. AnonEMouse (squeak) 20:53, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I actually haven't had a great deal of luck with these, several people I awarded them to immediately caved and stopped doing the resilient thing I was proud of them for doing. Maybe you'll break the trend?

Carry on. Please. AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 20:53, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Commiserations and please keep contributing. Best wishes, --Guinnog 21:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I was sorry to see your RfA close with no consensus reached. I'll be sure to keep an eye out for your next one. You're an asset to Wikipedia. Keep it coming! AuburnPilot^Talk 01:44, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

User:Halibutt contributions

Hello! Would you like to comment on User:Halibutt contributions: [3] [4] [5]?? M.K. 12:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)