User talk:JBW

.

---

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

This talk page is currently protected due to persistent trolling, by either a child or a remarkably childish adult. If you do not have a Wikipedia account, or have a newly created account, you will not be able to edit this page, but you may post on the page User talk:JamesBWatson/Open instead.

The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk)

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

---

.

Hedgewars

Hello, I noticed Hedgewars was deleted as you removed many links. Couldn't find any recent discussion on that. Either way, I believe hedgewars should have an article, could you please restore a copy to my user space so that I can work on it? thanks Shaddim (talk) 08:41, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I can, but can you provide any reason to justify doing so? That is to say, any reason to think that, contrary to the conclusion of two deletion discussions, the subject satisfies Wikipedia's notability guidelines? The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 09:59, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

indeed, I believe there is enough notability for this game. I will extend the article accordingly. cheers Shaddim (talk)

Yes, obviously you believe there is enough notability, or you wouldn't have made the request. By "can you provide any reason" I meant "can you provide any reason for believing that it is notable". Simply stating that you think so is not very helpful: see WP:ITSNOTABLE. If you know of sources that show more notability than was demonstrated in the deleted versions of the article then you should be able to tell me what they are, and if you don't then restoring the article, after not one but two AfDs and not one but two deletion reviews have ended in the article's remaining deleted, would be questionable. You may also like to read WP:MUSTBESOURCES, if you are not already acquainted with it. I have seen your user page, with its comments about what you refer to as "the infamous 'reliable sources' policy (and the notability policy)" and your comments about what you call "inclusionism" and "deletionists". Are you sure that your request is motivated by knowing of sources which satisfy Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, rather than by personal opposition to deletion of articles even if they don't satisfy those policies and guidelines? The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 11:30, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

I will gather reliable sources and will not re-add the article before I come to the decision that the article has a serious chance for surviving a review. Currently, with the article and its history deleted, I can't review the source situation of the old one. (I think it is in general a bad idea to delete articles that way that they can't be reviewed via their history, but thats another problem.) So, could you please restore the article to my user space? thanks Shaddim (talk) 13:47, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Usually I am happy to temporarily restore articles to user space, but in the case of an article which has been to two deletion discussions, both of which resulted in consensus to delete, and two deletion reviews, both of which resulted in the deletions being upheld, and the article has again been unilaterally re-created, I am reluctant to do so without better reasons. However, since the reason you give for wanting the article restored to user space is so that you can "review the source situation", I have posted a list of all the sources from the deleted article at User:JamesBWatson/Hedgewars sources. I hope that will be of some help to you. To me, it seems that the only one of those sources that even begins to give significant coverage is the gry-online page, but of course you will make your own judgement. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 10:18, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

As I assumed there is indication of notability available in even the article before deletion. While I don't want to argue with you abbout notability, there are other indications of notability like pure usage & citation in common culture. Hedgware is one of the bigger open source games and most likely could have an article. Therefore, restore this article to my user domain that I can work on it and eventually bring it in for review. I think you can't & should not block my intention on working on this article. Shaddim (talk) 09:41, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

I note that you asked that the article be restored to user space because you couldn't "review the source situation", but now that I have made the sources available you want it restored to user space for other reasons.

You are clearly well aware of the notability guidelines, and you must be aware that "one of the bigger open source games" is not one of the criteria. You have said that you "will gather reliable sources", and there is nothing to stop you from doing so: you don't need the text of the deleted article to do that. You say you "don't want to argue with [me] abbout notability", but if you have any evidence of satisfying Wikipedia's notability guidelines then you can easily tell me what that evidence is without arguing about it, yet you do not do so.

You are seeking to overturn the outcome of four separate discussions. The onus is on you to provide justification for doing so: I am certainly not going to do so simply because I am told to by someone who asserts that he "believe[s] there is enough notability", that he "assumed there is indication of notability available", and so on, but who after repeated requests does not provide any evidence. I will restore the article if and when you provide justification for doing so based on Wikipedia policies and guidelines, not just because you say that you believe and assume things.

If you believe that what I am doing is contrary to Wikipedia policies and guidelines then you are, of course, free to take this to a third deletion review, but doing so because you personally don't like those policies and guidelines is not a good idea. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 10:34, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

As you said I'm well aware on the notability guidelines. I will review and expand the full article to the point where it has good chances of surviving a review. If I can't bring it to such state, I will not hand it in and scrap it. So, put it to my userspace that I can work on it. Shaddim (talk) 22:04, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for being an unconstructive blockhead and bureaucrat, I reconstructed the article on my own. Shaddim (talk) 10:12, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

thnaks again for being an unnconstructive asshead, misusing his administrative powers Shaddim (talk) 23:56, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Burt Kearns and user Peytondaley

Is it worth taking this to WP:COIN or might that be an unnecessary escalation at this point? --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 15:16, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

@Drm310: My feeling at prsent is that there is nothing that could be established there that we can't establish by direct communication with the editor. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:46, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

@Drm310: You may like to read my message at the bottom of the page here. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 11:11, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

I saw the increasing hostility in the user's responses, so I'm not surprised that there was more COI than was being disclosed. Sorry you had to put up with the unpleasantness. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:09, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

79.78.241.248: short blocks having no effect, suggest longer

79.78.241.248 appears to be not here, what do you think about extending the two week block to one month? –Skywatcher68 (talk) 16:38, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

LP... again

I know you are trying to withdraw from this. I just felt this comment was too blatant [[1]]. Calling other editors a "troll" is just over the line. Springee (talk) 03:48, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

User:Calton on WP:AE

Hi since you've blocked User:Calton for personal attacks in summaries once upon a time I think it's courteous to let you know about this AE thread where he's subjected to. 79.102.176.21 (talk) 06:08, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Broken block template on User:Caftaric

The block notice template you left on User talk:Caftaric is broken. I'd fix it, but the substituting would then assign my signature to it, after which I'd have to manually edit in yours—potentially leading to what I suspect is exactly the kind of confusion that's not needed when it comes to blocks/block notices. AddWittyNameHere (talk) 08:59, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello JamesBWatson, in regards to Caftaric's indefinite block for abusing multiple accounts, is there an associated SPI or ANI that links Caftaric with R567 or any other abusive accounts? None appears when searched for. Curiously, Loopy30 (talk) 19:21, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

No. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 09:30, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Is that because the reasons for this block rely upon confidential information? I understood that blocking was a serious matter that should be explained to both user and the community at large. Regards, Loopy30 (talk) 22:29, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

How much explanation do you want? It is very common for block logs to give no more than the default explanation, which in the case of a block for sockpuppetry would be "Abusing multiple accounts", whereas I also provided the name of another account used by the same person. Most of the evidence is easily visible to anyone who looks, such as a considerable overlap in articles edited, very similar editing of those articles, including in some cases repetition of exactly the same edit, and other details too. Spelling out the exact details of evidence of sockpuppetry is often very unhelpful, as it warns the sockpuppeteer what give away signs to avoid with future sockpuppets. What is more, it looks to me as though precisely that may have already happened in this case, when earlier sockpuppets were blocked, which look as though they may be the same person as these accounts. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 08:27, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for that. No need to give away the farm by providing any exact details. I had just thought that a user was blocked only as a result of a complaint/investigation and not summarily banished without any further process visible to the community as a whole. 'Cheers, Loopy30 (talk) 19:59, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Helpme request

Hey, perhaps this might have been a little sharp? Just a thought... stwalkerster (talk) 19:54, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Nope, I would not treat undisclosed paid editors as legitimate new editors, particularly when this editor is not exactly new. Perhaps JBW could have nullify the template in the normal way as suggested by the template, but this is no biting. Alex Shih (talk) 20:01, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Actually, I accept Stwalkerster's criticism of me, and I don't agree with Alex Shih's defense of me. The edit summary here does disclose the paid editing, and although it is not done in the approved manner that is no doubt because the editor is unaware of all the relevant guidelines, policies, etc, rather than out of any bad faith. Any editor acting in good faith deserves courtesy, even if he or she is unknowingly doing things that are not approved of. I was irritated by finding I had spent time checking something that didn't need checking, and responded in an irritable way, which was not good. Thank you, Stwalkerster, for drawing my attention to it. I have rewritten my comment in a way which I hope is better.

The reason that I used "nowiki" tags rather than "the normal way as suggested by the template" is that I was not answering the request for help, which is what "the normal way" is about.

Having said all that, in fact it turned out that checking the "help me" request was not a waste of my time, as it drew my attention to other problems with the editor. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:16, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, perhaps I am feeling grumpy after spending some time in Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard. My bad. Alex Shih (talk) 20:20, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks James :) Alex Shih, a bit of WP:AGF and a kind guiding word is much more likely to be effective in encouraging change and future productive editors, no matter how they start out. stwalkerster (talk) 20:29, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Technical Barnstar
	Hey sorry for dragging you into my help request, I am still trying to figure this out for some of my clients :) Any help would be appreciated. Mainly I would like to get the Rameses Nightingale page citations and errors complety gone so the page looks nice and clean.. Thank you :) Offthehooktv (talk) 22:35, 12 June 2018 (UTC)