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@Floquenbeam: Hello, it has been around ten months with little to no conflict on this wiki. Could you consider unblocking this account to rename it, as discussed in last September? Krett12 (talk) 21:06, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: It was discussed at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Krett12&oldid=916622271#Unblocking_details that if there was six months to a year of no problems, it could be unblocked to be renamed. Krett12 (talk) 21:10, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I remember being slightly confused last time. I think you want to continue to use User:Computer Fizz, but want this unblocked so it can be renamed to "vanish" it. You don't plan to edit with User:Krett12 anymore. Do I have that right? --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:22, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Floquenbeam: Yes, I won't be editing from this account anymore once it is renamed (nor Computer Fizz either, but it's not blocked from any wiki to begin with). Krett12 (talk) 01:09, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

OK, this seems fine now. Thanks for the patience.

Done. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:48, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Floquenbeam: I have requested Meta to rename this account, and am now beginning the process of deleting all my user pages. Thanks for everything.

And may I say, you are a badass for unblocking Fram. Krett12 (talk) 22:23, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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+{{ping|Floquenbeam}} Hello, it has been around ten months with little to no conflict on this wiki. Could you consider unblocking this account to rename it, as discussed in last September? [[User:Krett12|Krett12]] ([[User talk:Krett12#top|talk]]) 21:06, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
-{{semi-retired}}
+: Note: It was discussed at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Krett12&oldid=916622271#Unblocking_details that if there was six months to a year of no problems, it could be unblocked to be renamed. [[User:Krett12|Krett12]] ([[User talk:Krett12#top|talk]]) 21:10, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
+::I remember being slightly confused last time.  I think you want to continue to use [[User:Computer Fizz]], but want this unblocked so it can be renamed to "vanish" it.  You don't plan to edit with [[User:Krett12]] anymore.  Do I have that right? --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 21:22, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
+:::{{ping|Floquenbeam}} Yes, I won't be editing from this account anymore once it is renamed (nor Computer Fizz either, but it's not blocked from any wiki to begin with). [[User:Krett12|Krett12]] ([[User talk:Krett12#top|talk]]) 01:09, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
+::::OK, this seems fine now.  Thanks for the patience. {{done}}. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 20:48, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
+:::::{{ping|Floquenbeam}} I have requested Meta to rename this account, and am now beginning the process of deleting all my user pages. Thanks for everything.
+And may I say, you are a badass for unblocking Fram. [[User:Krett12|Krett12]] ([[User talk:Krett12#top|talk]]) 22:23, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
-== 2016 ==
+{{bots|deny=all|optout=MassMessage}}
-{{unblock reviewed|I promise to stick to reverting vandalism and other basic things
-|decline=Considering how you ignored multiple attempts to reason you in the past, this request is nowhere near to giving me the confidence about unblocking you. [[User:MaxSem|Max Semenik]] ([[User talk:MaxSem|talk]]) 05:26, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
-}}
-{{unblock reviewed | 1=The only ones that were valid and explained WHY it was wrong were s long time ago | decline = That is plainly not true. I really like to help people get unblocked, but your failure to even see the problems here means that I can not see any justification for unblocking at this time. There have been many many warnings here, up until this very month, yet you have simply blanked them all before requesting an unblock - I urge you to go back and properly understand them. [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 23:36, 22 February 2016 (UTC)}}
-So what warnings/issues from admins and other users do you consider "valid", and which ones do you consider invalid then?  [[User:Only|only]] ([[User talk:Only#top|talk]]) 23:19, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
-I already explained--but I"m willing to do it again. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Krett12&diff=686673695&oldid=686668432 This IS valid]. It explains why they consider it wrong in a politely and civilly voiced manner. I responded, and everyone went to bed happy that night. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Krett12&diff=702167012&oldid=701049334 This, in my opinion, is not valid]. It doesn't actually explain ''why'', says snarky and sometimes even intimidating thing that I will "be reported" (something that is by itself innapropriate), even though the error I made was fairly minor and definintely was in no was deserving of ''that''.
-That clarified enough? [[User:Krett12|Krett12]] ([[User talk:Krett12#top|talk]]) 21:59, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
-* You just removed the declined unblock requests with the comment "''I know it says to not remove unblcok requests but they are taking up a lot of space''". That means you clearly know that you must not do that, so '''do not do it again''' or you are likely to lose the ability to edit even this talk page. I have to say, this looks like yet another example of you not listening and just going ahead with whatever you personally think is best regardless of Wikipedia policies. [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 22:18, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
-Okay, but you did not respond to my actual point. [[User:Krett12|Krett12]] ([[User talk:Krett12#top|talk]]) 23:47, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
-:I thought I had in my decline of your unblock request when I said "''There have been many many warnings here, up until this very month, yet you have simply blanked them all before requesting an unblock - I urge you to go back and properly understand them''". If you think I am wrong, then please feel free to post a new unblock request and another admin will review it. [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 23:50, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
-:: Do you mind if I put up two? I have two different reasons. [[User:Krett12|Krett12]] ([[User talk:Krett12#top|talk]]) 16:23, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
-:::You only need one unblock request - you can include as many reasons as you want in it. [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 16:36, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
-{{unblock reviewed | 1=I have two reasons I want to be unblocked. One of them is that in addition to my erors, I [[Special:Contributions/Krett12|make many helpful changes]]. I make enough helpful changes that I ''am'' here to contribute to the encyclopedia. THe other one is based off of the classic {{tlx|2nd chance}} For example I saw [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=.hack&diff=prev&oldid=706701791 this] coming from a mile away and would have reverted it if I wasn't blocked. Many of the warnings I received were several months ago and would like to have another chance. :) I will pay lots of attention and will very rarely (and sometimes even never) do something as stupid as nominate user warning template for deletion. <small><small>seriously, what was i thinking??</small></small>. As previously stated, I am mainly, although some roadbumps, a productive member and want to regain the previlige of editing | decline = I don't see enough [[WP:CIR|competence in editing]] to merit an unblock at this point. Maybe try again in a few years? <b>[[User:Ohnoitsjamie|OhNo<font color="#D47C14">itsJamie</font>]] [[User talk:Ohnoitsjamie|<sup>Talk</sup>]]</b> 23:56, 24 February 2016 (UTC)}}
-Please let me know your concerns if you have any. [[User:Krett12|Krett12]] ([[User talk:Krett12#top|talk]]) 21:06, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
-How exactly did you see that one random vandal edit "coming from a mile away"?  How did you know he or she would make that edit before it was made? Also, you say your problems and warnings were months ago, yet you bring up the example of you nominating an important template for deletion...mere hours before your block.  [[User:Only|only]] ([[User talk:Only#top|talk]]) 21:56, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
-:I'm also concerned about you maintaining a personal website where you post examples of "funny" pieces of vandalism from Wikipedia. Seems contrary to [[WP:DENY]] to me. [[User:Only|only]] ([[User talk:Only#top|talk]]) 22:02, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
-What I meant by "a mile away" is that I was pretty sure it was vandalism before I clicked on DIFF button. I've only done something as stupid as the deletion once, so if I was the admin I would accept them promising to not do it again. I have stopped linking to that website per that exact page you posted, but I'm not going to take it down. I'm not going to list the website Only is talking about for the exact thing he just said. [[User:Krett12|Krett12]] ([[User talk:Krett12#top|talk]]) 00:20, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
-:Above you said "[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Krett12&diff=686673695&oldid=686668432 This IS valid]" and then went on to say "I responded, and everyone went to bed happy that night."  I never saw that response as you [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Krett12&diff=next&oldid=686673695 responded] and then removed it off your talk page [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Krett12&diff=next&oldid=686715255 1 minute later].  I thought you were acting just like previously, removing concerns you didn't like.  Looking at your answer now, how is [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:49.197.3.55&diff=prev&oldid=686608313 this] better than Cluebot's message?  --&nbsp;[[:en:User:GB fan|GB]]&nbsp;[[:en:User talk:GB fan|fan]] 02:41, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
-:: I removed it because I was archiving. There is NO policy that states you must keep 'em in an archive. About how mine was better, you tell me. After you reverted it [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:49.197.3.55&diff=next&oldid=686687798 you reinstated it]. [[User:Krett12|Krett12]] ([[User talk:Krett12#top|talk]]) 05:38, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
-:::Archiving a minute after you reply is generally considered uncooperative, as it gives the other editor almost no time to read your reply and makes it look like you're trying to avoid scrutiny. This is another example of how you just don't understand how to work in a collaborative environment. [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 09:47, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
-:::I did immediately revert myself but that was because I had used the wrong revert link. The one I used the first time didn't allow me to leave a reason. That should only have been used if your edit was vandalism. I did not believe it was so I reverted myself. I then came back immediately and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:49.197.3.55&diff=next&oldid=686687825 restored] the original message with an explanation. I can't give a reason how your warning is better as I do not believe it is. I believe it is much worse. You are the only person who has ever said yours is better. So how is it better?  I believe your whole response to my message above is a sign that you don't understand how to work in a collabrative environment.  The first two sentences try to deflect the point that you only left your response to my question for less than a minute and turn it on to how their is no policy on how to archive. Then you take part of the story the history shows and turn it back on me to answer my question.  You don't appear to like it when you are criticized or questioned about your actions.  --&nbsp;[[:en:User:GB fan|GB]]&nbsp;[[:en:User talk:GB fan|fan]] 10:04, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
-::That's right, I don't like it. NOBODY ''likes'' it, they just are OK with it. I may be blocked, but I still have rights too. I'm Ok with being told I'm not perfect, but I would still like it to be appropriately phrased. [[User:Krett12|Krett12]] ([[User talk:Krett12#top|talk]]) 04:34, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
-===Suggestion===
-*Here's a suggestion that might possibly have a chance... Your block on Simple Wikipedia expires in June 2016, so get back to editing that project without getting into any more trouble, and when you are able to show six months of trouble-free editing there, come back here and ask for a [[WP:Standard Offer]] unblock? I obviously can't make any promises, but I think that would improve your chances considerably. Anyone got any thoughts? [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 00:01, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
-:: No, thank you for that thought (most admins act as if blocked users have no rights). The simple english wikipedia has something called the "one strike" rule. You can be blocked if you break the rules even once if you are blocked on another project. I also don't really want to go back to simplewiki--I'm really upset about the way I was treated. I would talk more, but I need to respond to the other messages now. [[User:Krett12|Krett12]] ([[User talk:Krett12#top|talk]]) 00:16, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
-:::OK, your choice, but I'm a little disappointed that you are not open to the suggestion. I've examined your history at Simple and it shows all of the same kind of problems you've had at English Wikipedia, so being able to show you've understood and rectified the problems there would have greatly improved your chances of an unblock here. The only thing I can suggest now is that you wait and go for a [[WP:Standard Offer]]. I'd leave it for at least the recommended six months, as I think an unblock sooner than that would be unlikely. [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 09:51, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
-::::The not being open was only part of it, the mean thing was the one strike rule. I might be able to manage not getting blocked again, but not with the onestrike rule being involved. Which is why I wanted to be unblocked here ''before'' the community ban expired. [[User:Krett12|Krett12]] ([[User talk:Krett12#top|talk]]) 17:50, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
-:::: {{ping|Boing! said Zebedee}} Well, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Liz&diff=709287928&oldid=709287848 Before the block I would have wondered why the template existed if this was an unacceptable use]. I would have just asked someone after it. The block reason says that I "refuse to slow down and be careful"---I know you don't want to unblock me, but could we work out an expiry time? How 'bout the 29th? That's about two months. That could give me time to hit the digital "books" (WikiEssays) and be ready to regain editing by then? [[User:Krett12|Krett12]] ([[User talk:Krett12#top|talk]]) 04:52, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
-:::::No, I will not adjust the block, but you can try asking the blocking admin if you like {{ping|Floquenbeam}} You can also request an unblock any time you want, but I think the [[WP:Standard Offer]] is the best you're going to get, and even then it's far from certain that you will be ready to come back in six months. I've made the only suggestion I'm going to make, above, but you have rejected it and I now have nothing further to say - so please do not ping me any more. [[User:Boing! said Zebedee|Boing! said Zebedee]] ([[User talk:Boing! said Zebedee|talk]]) 08:02, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
-::::::I don't think this is going to be solved just by reading policies; it's going to require reading policies ''and maturing''.  That can't be rushed, and is measured in years, not weeks.  I wouldn't be willing to lift the block myself for at least a year.  I was going to suggest the "Simple Wikipedia" route BsZ recommended, but if that isn't something you want to do, then come back here in a year and we can see if anything has changed. Like BsZ above, I've explained myself pretty clearly, satisfying [[WP:ADMINACCT]], and don't have anything further to say, so I won't be replying further.   Any other admin is welcome to do whatever they think best without consulting me. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 15:57, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
-:::::::Okay, fine. [[User:Krett12|Krett12]] ([[User talk:Krett12#top|talk]]) 17:07, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
-== 2019 ==
-{{unblock reviewed | 1=I have read through the messages from three years ago, and I believe to have resolved all my issues. I would like to request an unblock per the [[WP:Standard offer]] as I believe I will be able to help constructively. I offer review and explanation to all of my actions if anyone has any questions about them. [[User:Krett12|Krett12]] ([[User talk:Krett12#top|talk]]) 03:42, 16 September 2019 (UTC) | decline = This unblock request has been declined due to your history of [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|vandalism]] and/or disruption to this encyclopedia. However, we are willing to give you another chance provided that you can earn back the trust of the [[Wikipedia:Community Portal|Wikipedia community]]. To be unblocked you need to demonstrate that you are willing and able to contribute positively to Wikipedia. You can do this by:
-* Familiarizing yourself with [[Wikipedia:Simplified ruleset|our basic rules]].
-* Read our [[Wikipedia:Article development|guide to improving articles]]
-* Pick any pre-existing article you wish to improve.
-* If you have trouble choosing an article to improve, see [[Wikipedia:Cleanup process|this index of articles needing improvement]] for ideas. Once you have decided on the article you will propose improvements to:
-*# Click the <samp>Edit</samp> tab at the top of that article;
-*# Copy the portion of the prose from that article that you will be proposing changes to. However:
-*#* do not copy the "infobox" from the start of the article (i.e., markup like this: <code><nowiki>{{infobox name|...}}</nowiki></code>);
-*#* do not copy any image placement code (i.e., markup like this: <code><nowiki>[[File:Name.jpg|thumb|caption]]</nowiki></code>);
-*#* do not copy the page's categories from the bottom of the page (i.e., markup like this: <code><nowiki>[[Category:Name]]</nowiki></code>);
-*#* do not copy the stub tag (if there) from the bottom of the page (i.e., markup like this: <code><nowiki>{{</nowiki>''Foo'' stub<nowiki>}}</nowiki></code>);
-*# Click edit at ''your talk page'', and paste at the bottom under a new section header (like this: <code><nowiki>== [[Article title]] ==</nowiki></code>) the copied content but <u>do not save yet</u>;
-*# Place your cursor in the [[Help:edit summary|edit summary box]] and paste there an edit summary in the following form which specifies the name of the article you copied from and links to it (this is required for mandatory [[WP:PATT|copyright attribution]]): "<code>Copied content from [<nowiki>[exact Name of Article]]</nowiki>; see that article's history for attribution.</code>"
-*#You can now save the page. However, if your edits will include [[WP:REFB|citations]] to [[WP:IRS|reliable sources]]  (''which they should''), add the following template to the end of your prose: <code><nowiki>{{reflist-talk}}</nowiki></code>. Once you have added the template, click {{button|Publish changes}}.
-* Now, edit that content. Propose significant and well [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|researched]] improvements by editing the selected portion of the article. Please note that we are not looking for basic typo corrections, or small unreferenced additions; your edits should be substantial, and reflect relevant policies.
-* When you are done with your work, re-request unblocking and an [[Wikipedia:Administrator|administrator]] will review your proposed edits.
-** If we (including the original blocking admin) are convinced that your proposed edits will improve Wikipedia as an encyclopedia, you will be unblocked.
-If you need help while working with your proposed edits, you may add "<code>{{Tlx|Help me|your question here <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>}}</code>" to your talk page. Thank you.<!--Template:2nd chance--> [[User:Yamla|Yamla]] ([[User talk:Yamla|talk]]) 13:06, 16 September 2019 (UTC)}}
-: Sidenote, I am now using [[User:Computer_Fizz]] as my main account, appealing through this account as requested. If the unblock request is accepted, I would appreciate if that account is unblocked for primary use. [[User:Krett12|Krett12]] ([[User talk:Krett12#top|talk]]) 03:42, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
-:I believe this block is no longer peventative. Krett/Computer Fizz has done beneficial work on the Simple English Wikipedia, and from what I can see the only issues on this project occured in 2016. I wish I had commented sooner to endorse an unblock prior to its closure, although I will ask [[User:Yamla|Yamla]] to reconsider. Best regards, [[User:Vermont|Vermont]] ([[User talk:Vermont|talk]]) 19:09, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
-::I'm not going to lift the block, but Vermont's comment is a pretty strong endorsement. Krett12, that leaves you with two options. You can follow the second-chance I outlined above, or you can make a new unblock request without following the second-chance. If you do so, please indicate that you've been offered the second-chance but you have my endorsement to request another review without following that process. Normally, rejecting the second-chance would be held against you somewhat, but I don't believe that would be appropriate here. If you do decide to follow through with the second-chance, I'll be happy to review the result. So, you have a couple of options and are welcome to take either. --[[User:Yamla|Yamla]] ([[User talk:Yamla|talk]]) 19:15, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
-::: Thank you Yamla for the reconsideration over Vermont's message. I believe that, since most of my work revolves around anti-vandalism and not content creation, that the standard second chance is not a good option for me and choose to appeal per Vermont's comments as you allowed me to per above. I open myself to any questions by the reviewing admin. [[User:Krett12|Krett12]] ([[User talk:Krett12#top|talk]]) 22:48, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
-:::: Sidenote: Thank you [[User:Bradv]] for lifting my autoblocks :) [[User:Krett12|Krett12]] ([[User talk:Krett12#top|talk]]) 04:18, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
-:::::No problem. For what it's worth, I've had a look through your [https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Computer_Fizz contributions] to Simple and based on that I agree with the others here that it's worth giving you a second chance. – [[User:Bradv|<span style="color:#333">'''brad''v'''''</span>]][[User talk:Bradv|<span style="color:transparent;text-shadow:0 0 0 red;font-size:80%">🍁</span>]] 04:47, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
-{{unblock | per above [[User:Krett12|Krett12]] ([[User talk:Krett12#top|talk]]) 04:18, 18 September 2019 (UTC) (UTC)}}
-: {{ping|Floquenbeam}} I'd also like a weigh-in from you to see if the original issues you saw you now believe to be resolved. [[User:Krett12|Krett12]] ([[User talk:Krett12#top|talk]]) 04:18, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
-*I respect Vermont's and Bradv's judgement on the usefulness of your contribs at Simple English Wikipedia. I think I said 3.5 years ago that this seemed to be a maturity issue.  Looks like that's what happened?  I'm inclined to unblock, so if any admin watching here disagrees, please say so in the next day or so (you've waited 3.5 years, Krett12, so I assume you're OK waiting another day). My intention would be to simply unblock without a lot of specific restrictions, but Krett12 please note that you'll need to be more careful than normal; in particular, if an experienced editor says to stop doing something, then stop doing it until there's a resolution to whatever the issue is.  And please go slow.  I don't see any issue with switching to [[User:Computer_Fizz]], so I'll probably unblock that one (referencing the discussion on this page) and reblock this one with autoblocking turned off. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 16:28, 18 September 2019 (UTC)