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::Best wishes. [[User:Gingeksace|Gingeksace]] ([[User talk:Gingeksace|talk]]) 17:21, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
::Best wishes. [[User:Gingeksace|Gingeksace]] ([[User talk:Gingeksace|talk]]) 17:21, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
:::Thank you for your response, however it is clear that your main purpose here is to promote [[Menotti Lerro]] and his projects based on your editing history - you will find that documented [[xtools:ec/en.wikipedia.org/Gingeksace|HERE]] and [[xtools:pages/en.wikipedia.org/Gingeksace|HERE.]] Then there is the matter of the MANY photos of Lerro, his work, his performances, his lectures, meetings with the press, in cafés, etc. which you claimed as your own work or with you listed as the author; but then changed the story saying you had contacted him by email to get them. It is obvious that a direct connection exists that is much deeper than that of an unconnected "fan" or "enthusiast". Regards, [[User:Netherzone|Netherzone]] ([[User talk:Netherzone#top|talk]]) 18:17, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
:::Thank you for your response, however it is clear that your main purpose here is to promote [[Menotti Lerro]] and his projects based on your editing history - you will find that documented [[xtools:ec/en.wikipedia.org/Gingeksace|HERE]] and [[xtools:pages/en.wikipedia.org/Gingeksace|HERE.]] Then there is the matter of the MANY photos of Lerro, his work, his performances, his lectures, meetings with the press, in cafés, etc. which you claimed as your own work or with you listed as the author; but then changed the story saying you had contacted him by email to get them. It is obvious that a direct connection exists that is much deeper than that of an unconnected "fan" or "enthusiast". Regards, [[User:Netherzone|Netherzone]] ([[User talk:Netherzone#top|talk]]) 18:17, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
::::I think you exagerete with "this problems". We all know that behind almost every page of living authors there is often someone close to the same author and often we accept it. I even read it is not a big problem if the author is indeed Enciclopedic (he should just declare it). Maybe a bit more of flexibility would be necessary...
::::It is not nice to say "ater you changed the story"... I just affirmed what I did, and it is nothing too bad...
::::Please, do not be so focused on the "COI problem" and help the page to be developed if they earned a place on this FREE Encyclopedia. Life is too short to be so strict even on MATTERS related to Wikipedia...
::::Anyway, as you like it ;-)
::::Regards. [[User:Gingeksace|Gingeksace]] ([[User talk:Gingeksace|talk]]) 18:31, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

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Happy New Year, Netherzone!

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Netherzone,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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Thanks Davey! The best to you as well for a great 2023. Netherzone (talk) 01:04, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Happy New Year!
Hello Netherzone:


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Those elves are carving a new article nicely! Thanks Captain Raju. Netherzone (talk) 20:43, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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"Introducing viewpoints"

Hi Netherzone Re Woovee's latest reverts on T.Rex (band) - I fail to see how a neutrality disputed tag could constitute "introducing opinions" however (1). I would appreciate your opinion on Woovee's reasoning (2) Where do I go to escalate this? Romomusicfan (talk) 07:45, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Romomusicfan, I thought this issue was settled a few years back, but I guess not. I don't agree with Woovee's perspective or reasoning on this content disagreement.
Rather than escalate the issue, perhaps some type of mediation may be in order, for example, you could post something on the WikiProject Rock Music talk page. Or you may wish to seek WP:Dispute resolution. Here are some possible notice boards: WP:Dispute resolution noticeboard; WP:Requests for comment/Art, architecture, literature, and media is probably the most relevant for music stuff; or WP:Third opinion (I've never had much luck with that one).
Another approach that might de-escalate things, would be to include a balance of views in the article. The sources would need to support both views. So if the Paytress citation (WITH page numbers) supports one side, another citation(s) should be added to support the other point of view. Paytress is not the end-all authority, other writers viewpoints are valid as well. So the article could say something like, "Some music historians (or critics) believe the band ended with the death of Bolan, while others state that....."
On another note, if the personal attacks, incivility or insults against you continue, you could file a case at WP:ANI.
Hope that helps, and that you have yourself a happy new year! Netherzone (talk) 00:22, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Netherzone, unfortunately it seems Woovee has a very definite concept of what the T.Rex page should be - one that conforms to a certain set of views within Bolan fandom - and is prepared to wait around for months for things to quieten down to reassert this viewpoint on the page again and again.Romomusicfan (talk) 05:10, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, let's see where we get with this. Please add your own summary to the relevant section. Romomusicfan (talk) 09:17, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, I believe it is a requirement (and if not, a courtesy) to notify all involved editors that there is a discussion that involves/concerns them on a noticeboard. Also, it helps others to understand better if you include diffs. Netherzone (talk) 13:35, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Does it not automatically notify them if they are tagged? Romomusicfan (talk) 16:04, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if it automatically notifies them or not, you might want to ask an administrator or a more technically inclined editor. I found out about your report from your message here on my talk page - I didn't get a ping from the drama board. Netherzone (talk) 16:43, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Romomusicfan:, Thank you for the work you are doing on the article after receiving the "go ahead" to edit per the DRN. I changed the word "scathing" to "strong", because it seemed overly dramatic for an encyclopedia article. If you disagree with that, we can discuss here or on the article talk page. Thanks for opening the DRN. I would have participated more vigourously but the timing is not so great for me. Know that I agree with you on the key points. Netherzone (talk) 16:53, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Netherzone I did consider "strong" but scathing seemed to better convey the sheer negative emotion expressed by many on the Bolan Scene to these bands. It's what drives someone like Woovee to do what they do. It's what results in every record played at a T.Rex convention being intersperced with proanity-ridden rants about these bands. It's militant Bolan fandom at its worst. However I bow to your point re keeping things encyclopedic.Romomusicfan (talk) 09:30, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar 4 u~~

The Hard Worker's Barnstar
Everytime I check to see what you are doing, it seems that you are always doing something to make Wikipedia and the articles within it better. You tirelessly and consistently put in good work, effort, and attitude into this project, and I admire that! Please enjoy this barnstar as a token of my appreciation and thanks. Jmaxx37 (talk) 04:12, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why thank you very much for your kindness, @Jmaxx37:, I really appreciate the feedback. Hope you have a wonderful 2023, and keep up the good editorial work, and article creations! Best regards, Netherzone (talk) 14:56, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I want you to help us edit the page: Charles chinedu Ndukauba — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wisecharlie (talk • contribs) 23:05, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for reaching out. I'm very sorry, but I can't help with that. The article Charles chinedu Ndukauba, is up for deletion because he does not meet Wikipedia criteria for notability for actors, per WP:NACTOR or WP:GNG. It is doubtful the article will be kept. I know that must be disappointing to hear. He seems like a promising 15-year old actor, who has his career ahead of him. It's WP:TOOSOON for an encyclopedia article. Perhaps in a few years there will be enough coverage for an article, but not now. Also, it seems that this is an autobiography, please read these two links: WP:AUTOBIO and WP:COI for Wikipedia guidance on writing an article about oneself (which is strongly discouraged). Again, sorry I cannot help. Netherzone (talk) 03:20, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft: Muzeum Susch

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Hello Netherzone, thank you so much for your very helpful comment on the Muzeum Susch article I am trying to publish. This has been the first constructive comment I have received, prior to this I was utterly confused. I just wanted to ask, do you suggest that every external link should be cited properly rather than linked? Even in the temporary exhibitions section?

Thanks Wisdomcreate (talk) 08:31, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Wisdomcreate, Yes, those ideally should be linked to sources independent from the museum, such as exhibition reviews. But I understand this is a new museum that may not have gotten a lot of art-critical press yet. If reviews do not yet exist due to the newness of the institution, go ahead and link the temp. shows to the museum's website as you did, but don't be alarmed if another editor may come along and tag the article with "too many primary sources". You can give a reference that is repeated more than once a ref-name - I will do that for the Wall St. Journal reference - watch what I do by examining the edit history and my edit summary.
Re: passing notability, if there are three solid, in-depth articles (or in-depth descriptions/chapters in books) that is enough to pass notability. I think Wall St. Journal, New York Magazine, and Financial Times establishes notability, and I do not think it will be deleted. Some of the other refs, that do not have an author's by-line, are probably (but not conclusively) based on press releases, are less supportive of notability. While the interview with Kulczyk is excellent for information, interviews are considered primary sources.
Leave another message here when you improve the referencing on the temp. exhibitions and I will re-review it. Thank you for creating the draft article. I find the new museum to be a fascinating concept for a museum that is also very supportive of women artists, and is architecturally interesting. I think it will be a positive contribution to the encyclopedia.
I will now create the "ref-name" for the WSJ now, and go through the article for general clean up if needed. Netherzone (talk) 15:08, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I also noticed that some of the claims do not have a citation associated with them. Try to have a citation after each paragraph, otherwise the article can be tagged with "more citations needed" - generally every claim should have a citation. That is where the "Named references" can come in handy. Also, I noticed that in the Permanent site-specific installations" section you are adding the commas after a citation. Punctuation should always go first, then the citation. I fixed several of the times this occurred (with periods) further up in the article, but please do clean up the stray commas in the site-specific installation section. Netherzone (talk) 15:31, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

January music

January songs
happy new year

-- Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:33, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

back from vacation, 1 1/2 days of pics missing --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:53, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Great! Hope you enjoyed yourself. I'll have a look at the new photos. I'm traveling at the moment so may not get to it for a couple days. Netherzone (talk) 17:02, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
YES - Melitta Muszely died, RIP - the other story is 10 years old OTD ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:11, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, the Melitta Muszely article is very good, she made such an impact during her life time. Rest In Peace. I couldn't find your 2023 vacation photos (maybe not uploaded yet), but had a very good time looking back through the 2022 images again. Thanks for all your great contributions, and for keeping in touch, my friend. Netherzone (talk) 14:29, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Gambia Castle

Hi there,


You were so helpful with my first page on Teststrip Gallery I wonder if you would mind having a quick look at this one on Gambia Castle, another important New Zealand artist run gallery. Cheers, Jim Manymanydogs (talk) 01:39, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello and thanks for your message, @Manymanydogs. After quick read of the article I noticed that there were two bare URLs in the body of the article. The first one (windowgallery) should be turned into a proper citation. The second one, the archived gambiacastle via the Wayback machine, should be turned into an External Link. ELs go after the references, and should point to an actual link within the date range. Lastly, you need to add a section called References, and then add the template: reflist enclosed within double curly brackets {} on either side of the the word reflist. That will create a properly formatted Reference section. In general, the article can be improved by adding citations in reliable sources that are specifically about Gambia Castle Gallery, since notability is not inherited from the notability of the artists a gallery shows. Try to find additional secondary sources that are independent of the gallery and its artists, that are significant coverage WP:SIGCOV in reliable sources WP:RS, that are about the gallery such that it can meet WP:NCORP and fulfill WP:CORPDEPTH criteria. Otherwise. there may be a possibility it could be deleted. Hope that helps. Netherzone (talk) 02:09, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much for that. The windows url is a bit embarrassing! I am using the visual editor and not so sure how to do the reference format but will look it up today. And yes see what you mean about the Wayback Machine ref. Appreciate your help Manymanydogs (talk) 21:28, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Manymanydogs, The article looks great, and I see it was reviewed. I made a couple minor improvements - added a category and a short description; created a "See also" section and linked Teststrip; reformatted the External Link to the archived website per manual of style. Netherzone (talk) 02:57, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deploying emergency kitten

Hope this helps with the "think of something else" that you probably need after taking part in that AfD.

CT55555(talk) 22:54, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @CT55555 you are truly a kind soul! I will now think of something else, thanks again for reminding me to do so. Netherzone (talk) 23:00, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
aww kittens. While I think they're the answer to everything, Draft:Michaela Gleave is much more palatable. As always, appreciate any insight you or @CT55555 may have. Hope you're having a good weekend. Star Mississippi 02:18, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Star Mississippi - always a good way to "think of something else" is to work on a new project and to have kittens keeping an eye out on things. Thanks for nudging that draft - what a fascinating artist, I was not aware of her work and am glad to now be aware. Netherzone (talk) 01:40, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Unless that project is yarn, in which case kittens will be a little too helpful!
And same, part of what I love about patrolling AfC is the gems we find where the editor has a great subject - just needs some help. Star Mississippi 02:40, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Reames Bio

I finally got around to archiving the various articles that have been written about Richard Reames. I noticed a recent removal Reames teaching at John C. Campbell school of folk art due to no citation. This got me looking for a citation. while I haven't yet come across one I did come across a good citation for Reames being the international arborsculpture coordinator to the growing Village pavillion at the 2005 world Expo. "In 2005 Richard Reames was appointed international arborsculpture coordinator to the Growing Village, one of the unique attractions at the 2005 World Expo..." TREENEWS Spring/Summer 2005 Written by John May I have the magazine here in front of me. Can you update the article? if I can find a John c campbell reference I'll add that. Slowart (talk) 01:17, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Slowart, and thanks for this information. The info re: the coordination of the GV at the World Expo would be particularly helpful. Can you please post links if they are available online, and if not how I can find these in a public library, or archive or via a scan or...? The more information in reliable sources the better. Netherzone (talk) 01:36, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently the article is not available online.
I can photocopy the article. How should I transmit it to you?
I see the citation was used at one time to support the use of Arborsculpture as the name of the art form. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ATree_shaping%2FArchive_16/ See Questionable_Citations
[1] Slowart (talk) 03:12, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Also, do you have dates for the photographs in the article? They should all have consistent captions, with title, ideally the date of the inception/conception of the piece, and date the photo was taken, if that is at all possible. Netherzone (talk) 01:50, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Photos- date taken::image = File:Richard Reames in 2016.jpg (December 1 2016)

image Peace in Cherry = July 24, 2013
image Ash Rings= July 15, 2021
Image love = September 5, 2016
Image Birch= 9-29-06
Japan Shovel= May 12 2002 Slowart (talk) 04:10, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Slowart (talk) 04:13, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Lastly, do you have any information on John Gathright, as I'm wondering if he might be wiki-notable. Netherzone (talk) 01:52, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No doubt Dr. John (Johnsan) Gathright is a notable person. https://www.gov-online.go.jp/pdf/hlj/20210701/hlj202107_all_THE_JAPANESE_AND_THE_FORESTS.pdf
https://www.johngathright.com/
https://www.treeclimbing.jp/index.files/johngathright.pdf
If you can search in Japanese you will find lots. He also an author, public media figure, founder of tree climbing japan.
Slowart (talk) 05:05, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for this information, Slowart. I'll make some updates in the next days or weeks. If I have any questions I will reach out. If there is something you would like to email me, such as a scan or photocopy, there is an "email this user" link for me - you should find that link on either the left side bar (if you use the Vector2010 "appearence preference") or on the right side bar if you use the new default Vector2022 (sorry but this has gotten a little confusing since WP decided to update the design appearance of things a few weeks ago)...nevertheless there should be an email link somewhere on my user page or user talk page. Netherzone (talk) 21:30, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unable to find email link on your User page or this talk page. (sad face)Slowart (talk) 01:59, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Slowart, I think the issue is that both the sender (you) and recipient (me) need to have email enabled in their user preferences (according to Wikipedia:Emailing users). Go to your Preferences, the first tab should be User Profile, scroll-down to Email and set that up. Then see if "Email this user" shows up on my user page or talk page (on the sidebar if you are using a computer - I don't know where that link would be if you edit from a phone or tablet. Things have gotten more complicated since WP changed from Vector2010 to Vector2022. If you continue to have trouble with emailing, try asking at the WP:HELPDESK or the WP:TEAHOUSE. Netherzone (talk) 03:21, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ May, John (Spring/Summer 2005), The Art of Arborsculpture, The Tree Council http://www.treecouncil.org.uk/, p. 37 {{citation}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); External link in |publisher= (help); Unknown parameter |publication= ignored (help)

Withrow, Minnesota

I've been making some enormous edits to Withrow, Minnesota. If you are able to have look at the article I would appreciate it. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 20:22, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll have a look. Netherzone (talk) 21:31, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Magnolia677, I read through your changes, and I understand the rationale for the edits. The article was improved by the trimming, especially getting rid of some of the unnecessary genealogical material and the geology content. The only area that seemed to be not be an improvement was cutting some of the history section re: indigenous people's use of the area prior to settlement. I think there should be at least a few sentences backed up with reliable sources at the beginning of the section. That's my personal opinion of course, and when I've worked on articles about places I've always tried to include some pre-colonial, pre-settlement information for context. I think it improves the encyclopedia to have that background, as cultures existed in North America long before present times. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this, and thank you for your hard work on the article. Netherzone (talk) 00:19, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm, I just ran it thru a COPY VIO check, and parts are closely paraphrased to a couple websites.[1] about 45% which is not great. I;m sure they are not your edits, but perhaps a little more clean up is called for. Netherzone (talk) 00:26, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot. If you have time, please feel free to re-insert content. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 09:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Removing templates

Dear Netherzone, how are you? I am writing to ask you if you can assist in the process of removing the "issues templetes" on the page of Menotti Lerro which you helped to fix a while ago. I noticed that someone did it but another user did not agree with it... I am not sure how it is possible to do it. I would kindly like to ask you to help With it. With very best wishes. Gingeksace (talk) 10:47, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Gingeksace, thank you for your message. The issues with the articles are not resolved yet, therefore the maintenance tags (issues templates) should remain.
The articles are still promotional and the COI issues haven't yet been resolved. And there are still too many articles about him and his projects. These need to get integrated into his main article because they are redundant and they simply exist to advertise and promote the artist/poet. The encyclopedia is not for self-promotion nor promotion of him, his family members, friends or PR agent. There is no deadline to make those changes, please continue to be patient. I know this is not the answer you were seeking, and for that I am sorry, however the integrity of the encyclopedia is of utmost importance. Read WP:PROMO, and WP:WEBHOST. I suggest that you make a personal website for him instead of using the encyclopedia as free advertising. Best regards, Netherzone (talk) 14:58, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Netherzone, thank you a lot for this.
I wish to tell you something maybe I did not make clear in the past:
1) I am not Menotti Lerro, but I like to work to his great and voluminous opera.
2) I DID NOT create the articles to promote the author but only because I thought (and I think) he earned to be on Wikipedia. And I would aspect a simple evaluetion of each article and its requirements to be on the FREE Enciclopedia without stressing too much about non-existent promotional proposals.
3) I am not interested to create website about this author or others. Maybe you can suggest it to every user creating a page about an author and his opera?
About myself, I think Wikipedia should have simple rules and respected for all, but I do not see it indeed around...
4) I did not touch ML articles since you flagged every article with COI, therefore I do not see after so many months I just ask something because I noticed what happened with two different users and you start suggesting creating websites about him... (it is a a bit bizzarre).
Anyway, thanks for your suggestions and help and kindness.
Best wishes. Gingeksace (talk) 17:21, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your response, however it is clear that your main purpose here is to promote Menotti Lerro and his projects based on your editing history - you will find that documented HERE and HERE. Then there is the matter of the MANY photos of Lerro, his work, his performances, his lectures, meetings with the press, in cafés, etc. which you claimed as your own work or with you listed as the author; but then changed the story saying you had contacted him by email to get them. It is obvious that a direct connection exists that is much deeper than that of an unconnected "fan" or "enthusiast". Regards, Netherzone (talk) 18:17, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think you exagerete with "this problems". We all know that behind almost every page of living authors there is often someone close to the same author and often we accept it. I even read it is not a big problem if the author is indeed Enciclopedic (he should just declare it). Maybe a bit more of flexibility would be necessary...
It is not nice to say "ater you changed the story"... I just affirmed what I did, and it is nothing too bad...
Please, do not be so focused on the "COI problem" and help the page to be developed if they earned a place on this FREE Encyclopedia. Life is too short to be so strict even on MATTERS related to Wikipedia...
Anyway, as you like it ;-)
Regards. Gingeksace (talk) 18:31, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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