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Happy editing! Double sharp (talk) 15:16, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Valli Kafka

Thank you for the article. It needs more references, - perhaps you can find some at Ottla Kafka. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Elli Kafka moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Elli Kafka, does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Darren-M talk 13:18, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Darren-M:, but same article exist on de Wikipedia. I translated it from there. --Visnelma (talk) 14:07, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Visnelma, Different Wikis have different requirements - the fact that an article exists on one wiki doesn't mean it should exist on all of them. The article only has one reference at the moment and it doesn't indicate that the subject meets notability. I would suggest working on the article in the draft area where I've moved it to, and then submit it for review once you have added more references. Best, Darren-M talk 14:10, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your reply but I would like to inform you that I will not be improving this article. --Visnelma (talk) 14:13, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have sent you a note about a page you started

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HᴇʀᴘᴇᴛᴏGᴇɴᴇꜱɪꜱ (talk) 15:05, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Herpetogenesis:, I have been editing in Turkish Wikipedia for about 6 month, so I am a somewhat experienced user. Also thanks for you kind words :) --Visnelma (talk) 15:47, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Visnelma: Thanks for your contributions. Hoping to see more new articles from you soon! HᴇʀᴘᴇᴛᴏGᴇɴᴇꜱɪꜱ (talk) 15:52, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of 2021 Boğaziçi University protests

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Pretty much small protest which already stopped. This is about some students protesting against a president of an university which was appointed according the law.

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History textbooks

Thanks for your edits on Armenian Genocide denial, but I'm afraid that the sources you cite don't actually support the claim that Turkish schools frequently use history textbooks other than the approved ones. The sources cited say that history is a subject kept under especially close centralized state control in the education system. (t · c) buidhe 09:59, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Buidhe: What do you think about the last source I have added?--Visnelma (talk) 10:37, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Visnelma, I just don't see where the source directly states what it is cited to support: "Although this requirement is disregarded in practise." (t · c) buidhe 10:46, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Buidhe:The source says "Students' history reading and learning materials are not limited to school history textbooks." If download the PDF, it also states, "Özellikle özel okullarda öğretmen ve öğrenciler tarafından kaynak kitap olarak yararlanılıyor." (They are also being used in private schools as source books.) and "Yayınlarımız özel okullarda okutuluyor." (Our publications are being used in private schools.) Most of the article discusses this situation. So, it can be concluded that the legislation stating "Turkish schools, regardless of whether they are public or private, are required to teach history based on the textbooks approved by the Ministry of Education." is not always enforced. I appreciate you reply. Best regards.--Visnelma (talk) 10:56, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The source supports "Some private schools also use alternate textbooks." I've changed to that wording. Thanks! (t · c) buidhe 11:26, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Buidhe: Actaully some prominent state schools also use text books. The source states, "Katılımcılardan üçü (Y2, Y3, Y4) yazdıkları kitapların devlet okullarından ziyade özel okullarda derse yardımcı bir kaynak olarak kullandığına vurgu yapmışlardır." (The participants [y1, y2, y3] stressed the book which they wrote are being used more often in private schools than state schools.) So it can be said state schools also use other textbooks to a lesser extent. I will add that information too.--Visnelma (talk) 11:52, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Palanka (fortification)

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Your GA nomination of Palanka (fortification)

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Template:Z33 Barkeep49 (talk) 14:52, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This barnstar is for you!

		The Editor's Barnstar
		Sometimes, text removal is the most effective way of improving an article, as is the case of the Turkish Land Forces where you removed fringe nationalist dates from the article. Thank you! - ❖ SilentResident ❖ ^{(talk ✉ \| contribs ✎)} 10:53, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Protection

I've semi-protected your page due to your request here, and the persistent vandalism on your talk page. I've also added the WP:ROLLBACK (best to read before using) feature to your abilities to help with the vandalism. If you don't want it, let me know. If you have any further problems, feel free to let me know. — Ched (talk) 22:08, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I second this offer. Please do reach out (email is okay if more appropriate/warranted in a particular instance) to myself, ched, or 331dot etc. if needed. We are here to help. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 05:50, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If protection proves it needs to be extended or upgraded, let us know. I've watchlisted your talk page, but don't always catch everything in my WL as it's a busy place. Pings, TP messages, or emails are the best way to reach out and raise my attention as required. Please don't be shy, do reach out if the need arises or the trolls return. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 05:52, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry to hear that you are receiving legal threats and am glad the miscreants were blocked. I don't live in Turkey so, luckily, I don't have to worry about it. (t · c) buidhe 01:33, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Special Barnstar

Hello, while I am a complete stranger, and should first explain how I got here (found weird reverted edit-> opened userpage of editor-> found out he was blocked->found out why->found you) I wanted to give you a barnstar to cheer you up. Having gone through somewhat similar experiences I know how stressful dealing with vandals are (not to call them worse names). Threatened with deportation and being put on lists and -somewhat hilariously- getting complaints about God is not what most people expect from Wikipedia but still it happens. Stay strong and keep up the good work. - Kevo³²⁷ (talk) 23:22, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Seconded. I came across this reviewing what's new at AN. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 05:53, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just noticed too what happened. I second this as well. Visnelma we are sorry for what you have been through, stay strong. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ ^{(talk ✉ | contribs ✎)} 12:13, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Beer Hall Putsch

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Beer Hall Putsch. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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I would like to remind you about WP:BRD. When your Bold edit has been Reverted by another editor, the recommended next step, if you continue to think the edit is necessary, is to Discuss the dispute on the article talk page with other editors, but not to re-revert it, which is the first step to edit warring, a disruptive activity which is not allowed. Discussion on the talk page is the only way we have of reaching consensus, which is central to resolving editing disputes in an amicable and collegial manner, which is why communicating your concerns to your fellow editors is essential. While the discussion is going on, the article generally should remain in the status quo ante until the consensus as to what to do is reached (see WP:STATUSQUO).
In this instance, the material that was removed, that Hitler's Beer Hall Putsch was inspired by Ataturk, is an opinion held by one single author in one book. It is not generally accepted by subject experts, and therefore it is a WP:FRINGE theory, and by WP:UNDUE should not be in the article. How long the material has been in the article is irrelevant. In order for this material to appear int he article, you MUST get a consensus from the editors of the article on the talk page. Failure to do this, and attempting to force the material to stay in the article without a consensus is highly likely to lead to your being blocked from editing. Beyond My Ken (talk) 11:18, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

To help move things along, I have started a discussion on the article talk page about the disputed edit, which you will find Talk:Beer Hall Putsch#Ataturk here. Please take the opportunity to make your views known there. Thanks, Beyond My Ken (talk) 11:30, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Beyond My Ken: The information has been there for months maybe even about a year. So, by deleting that information you are doing something Bold, then I am Reverting it, so you are the one who should Discuss it.--V. E. (talk) 11:54, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Propaganda'nın sonu

Bugünde gördüğünün gibi uzun zamandır yapmış olduğun propaganda'nın sonuna geldin. Açıkca söyleyeyim. Gösterdiğin türk karşıtı kaynaklar ve uç teorilerin hepsini insanlara göstereceğim ve o insanlar senin bu kaynaklarını silecekler. İlk günden güzel bir ilerleme sağladım. Üniversitelerin ve kurumların kuruluş tarihleri nazilerle türkleri ilişkilendirmek vs. gibi bir çok propagandayı yapmaya çalıştığını görüyorum. Ek olarak alman editörlerde ne yapmaya çalıştığının farkına vardılar. Benim için çok iyi bir referans noktası olacaktır.

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 ::*To help move things along, I have started a discussion on the article talk page about the disputed edit, which you will find [[Talk:Beer Hall Putsch#Ataturk here]].  Please take the opportunity to make your views known there. Thanks, [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 11:30, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 ::::{{ping|Beyond My Ken}} The information has been there for months maybe even about a year. So, by deleting that information you are doing something '''B'''old, then I am '''R'''everting it, so you are the one who should '''D'''iscuss it.--[[User:Visnelma|V. E.]] ([[User talk:Visnelma#top|talk]]) 11:54, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
+== Propaganda'nın sonu ==
+Bugünde gördüğünün gibi uzun zamandır yapmış olduğun propaganda'nın sonuna geldin. Açıkca söyleyeyim. Gösterdiğin türk karşıtı kaynaklar ve uç teorilerin hepsini insanlara göstereceğim ve o insanlar senin bu kaynaklarını silecekler. İlk günden güzel bir ilerleme sağladım. Üniversitelerin ve kurumların kuruluş tarihleri nazilerle türkleri ilişkilendirmek vs. gibi bir çok propagandayı yapmaya çalıştığını görüyorum. Ek olarak alman editörlerde ne yapmaya çalıştığının farkına vardılar. Benim için çok iyi bir referans noktası olacaktır.