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Jennifer Jajeh

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Doesn't pass GNG. There's this article [1] and an interview (which doesn't count towards notability) [2] but not much else. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 18:05, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Women. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 18:05, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Comment. She may be notable. If we had a page for her notable play, I Heart Hamas, a redirect might be a good option. pburka (talk) 18:18, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Theatre, and California. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:28, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
• Keep: She may be notable. I agreed with Pburka. CastJared (talk) 19:01, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

CastJared, just clarifying that you agree that this could be a redirect? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 19:29, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes. CastJared (talk) 00:29, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

• Keep. There are plenty of sources both cited in the article and found by clicking on "books" in the nomination statement. Whether we should have an article on the writer, the show or both is an editing, not a deletion, decision, but, as the late lamented User:DGG once put it (I paraphrase), a living writer can write something more, but a written work can't acquire more writers. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:19, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: A redirect has been mentioned but not what article target it should be.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:36, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

• Keep. I strongly agree with the DGG quote above. As noted, I wouldn't object to a redirect to her notable play, if and when someone writes that page. Until then, keep the bio. pburka (talk) 23:56, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
• Comment. She may be notable. The article needs more attention and has to establish the notability.Kinkordada (talk) 06:12, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: "She may be notable" is not a strong argument to Keep an article and no redirect target has been offered on that front so I'm relisting this for another week.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:28, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

• Strong Delete. I saw the WP:CITEKILL added since the article was nominated for deletion [3] and looked into them. [Citation 3] is the subject's appearance on a podcast. Non-RS, primary source, not independent of the subject. [Citation 4] and [Citation 5] are 2 short interviews made on the same day with her alma mater's school newspaper. Not exactly RS, primary source, not independent of the subject. [Citation 6] is another interview. [Citation 7] is another interview and non-RS. [Citation 8] is a short interview. [Citation 9] has 3 sentences about her and non-RS. All of these added sources are a combination of interviews, trivial mentions, low depth, or non-RS. The edit[4] is evidence, if anything, in favor of deletion.

I did more research. Across sourcing I could find, I see a lot of trivial mentions and namedrops like when clicking on the "Books" and "News" links in the nom, low depth sourcing (non-SIGCOV), non-RS, webpages insulting the subject, interviews and other primary or non-independent sourcing.

Aside: I can't help but notice this AfD is getting canvassed. Saucysalsa30 (talk) 10:05, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

If you followed the "books" link then you must have seen this and this. Which do you class them as, trivial mentions or namedrops? Phil Bridger (talk) 10:46, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes I did see them. Thank you for your question. Both, regardless of reliability, give a short summary without much depth of the article subject's solo performance monologue "I Heart Hamas". About the subject it only mentions she wrote this monologue, is a writer, producer, comic, playwright and that her family is from Ramallah, which is trivial. They may be mediocre sources for "I Heart Hamas", but are trivial for the subject.

If grasping at anything available, like I addressed in my vote, and sarcasm are the best case for keeping, then in my view, it is more evidence for deletion. Saucysalsa30 (talk) 19:59, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

I would invite anyone reading this discussion to look at those sources to see whether what Saucysalsa30 says is true. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:07, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Saucysalsa30, you say you "can't help but notice this AfD is getting canvassed". I haven't been able to find any evidence of this, so could you please provide it so that the canvassing can be taken into account in the close of this discussion. I, for one, have not been canvassed. Phil Bridger (talk) 14:11, 10 June 2023 (UTC)