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Arbitration enforcement action appeal by Sir Joseph

User:Sir Joseph's appeal of the one-week topic ban from Bernie Sanders is declined. EdJohnston (talk) 19:35, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Appealing user: Sir Joseph (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) – Sir Joseph ^(talk) 17:48, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sanction being appealed: Bernie Sanders Topic Ban - One Week

Administrator imposing the sanction: Coffee (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Notification of that administrator: [1]

Statement by Sir Joseph

On the talk page there are a few editors who are stubbornly refusing to allow "Relgion:Jewish" in the infobox of Bernie Sander's article even though it is thoroughly sourced through reliable sources and self soured as well. A few editors then came up with a new policy that says that it has to come from Bernie's own mouth, as per Wikipedia:Categorization/Ethnicity,_gender,_religion_and_sexuality#Religion. Firstly, that is not a infobox policy, that is a categorization policy, but even so, the page says right on the top: "guideline,... best treated with common sense...and occasional exceptions..." When a Senator has a press kit on the SENATE.GOV's website we may treat that as his own words. That being said, I still found an article that had Sanders, IN HIS OWN WORDS, say, "I am proud to be Jewish." So I added that to the article as per the talk page. Since the entire talk page consensus was that Bernie's Jewishness could only be included only if he said it himself, here's an article that said it himself and I thought we can put this stupid matter to rest. Those editors opposing the inclusion of the Jewish reference, blindly ignoring all the evidence of his Jewishness, are requiring Bernie saying he is Jewish in his own words. So I found an article that said he is Jewish and proud of it. That is all Wikipedia should be doing. What these editors want to do is now determine level of observance and that is not what the infobox or what Wikipedia is all about. We don't do it for other religions and we shouldn't start doing it for Jews.

As per Liz I am shortening my comments.
JzG what rope? As Spartaz pointed out in his comment, you can't listen to guy Macon and his list of diffs. The ban was updated. So I sill fail to see the rope, and justification for an extension other than me bringing this appeal.
To Bishonen and Laser, again, I never called anyone an antisemite and you should strike that out. As others have pointed out here and elsewhere, when you are scrutinizing only the Jew for special treatment, then something does smell wrong. Whether you mean it or not, it is perceived as such. Especially in 2016, most recently Cullen328 said something similar, Gamaliel, Nishidani and other upstanding editors said similar.
Firstly if I may say I think there is a double standard judging by this and the below AE. Second, I also think many admins are looking at Guy Macon's timeline without realizing that the timeline was before Coffee modified his defective ban and I did not violate any TBAN. I really have no idea why you guys are thinking of a six month extension for something I didn't do. All I did was bring this appeal after I got a one week ban. Is that really such an offense? And I note again that Coffee posted a comment in the uninvolved admin section.
@Coffee, I would be very hard pressed to say you are uninvolved in this AE.

Statement by Coffee

I have nothing to add to what I've already stated at my talk page, the article's talk page, and in the sanction at Sir Joseph's talk page. (Unless this is somehow unclear to other uninvolved admins... which I doubt.) — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 18:12, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As he is refusing to WP:DROPTHESTICK, I've updated the ban to state page instead of article (as requested by Bishonen at my talk page). — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 19:42, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Sir Joseph: You may want to read the notice at the top of your appeal: "Administrators having taken administrative actions are not normally considered involved for this reason alone (see WP:UNINVOLVED)." — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 18:00, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Guy Macon

Sir Joseph is in violation of his topic ban.

(16:58, 29 February 2016) Topic Ban: [2]
(19:11, 29 February 2016) Violation #1: [3]
(19:19, 29 February 2016) I Remove post made in violation of topic ban [4]
(19:22, 29 February 2016) Sir Joseph reverts removal. [5]
(19:23, 29 February 2016) Sir Joseph warned on his talk page [6]
(19:33, 29 February 2016) I explain that per WP:TBAN talk pages are included, ask Sir Joseph to self-revert. [7]
(19:34, 29 February 2016) Violation #2: [8]

Sir Joseph has made six edits on other pages since my request that he self-revert[9][10][11][12][13][14] and has been informed of the ban on talk page comments by several people, yet has not self-reverted. --Guy Macon (talk) 20:41, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding Sir Joseph's various and sundry accusations towards me, my only interest in Bernie Sanders is to bring it into compliance with the consensus at Template talk:Infobox#RfC: Religion in infoboxes and Template talk:Infobox person/Archive 28#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion. As my extensive edit history clearly shows, I have no particular interest in religion articles or political articles. Contrast this with Sir Joseph's edit history, which is pretty much Jews, Jews, and more Jews. I don't particularly like being called antisemetic for attempting to implement the consensus from those RfCs. I choose to edit using my real name and that's the sort of false accusation that tends to follow you around.

I would also like to comment on Sir Joseph's unsupported assertion "The claim that Bernie Sanders is not Jewish is the one that is dangerous and is a BLP violation." That comment is indicative of the problem that the other editors on the Sander's page are facing. Leaving aside for a moment that it is a bald-faced lie -- not one single editor has ever claimed that Bernie Sanders is not Jewish and Sir Joseph knows it -- it also shows a determination to Right Great Wrongs by hijacking a discussion that should be about removing his topic ban and turning it into a discussion about Bernie Sanders being a Jew.

In my opinion, the best interests of the encyclopedia would be served by an indefinite topic ban from all pages relating to Jews of Judaism, broadly construed, with the standard offer that if Sir Joseph shows that he can edit constructively in other areas for six months there is a high probability that a request that the topic ban be lifted will be granted. --Guy Macon (talk) 04:00, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Irrelevancy
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Related discussion: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Threats by Malik Shabazz --Guy Macon (talk) 09:04, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Malik Shabazz

Irrelevancy

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Can we talk about the elephant in the room? Guy Macon is a troll whose disruptive editing started this conflict—when he removed Senator Sanders's religion from the infobox—and he has edit-warred to keep it out, violating 3RR in the process. I don't know who appointed Guy Macon King of the Jews, but it's time for somebody to step up and put an end to his original research that he, and only he, is qualified to determine who is sufficiently Jewish to be be identified as a Jew in their infobox.

I'm sorry that it's come to this, but WP:OR/N is horribly broken:

PUT AN END TO THIS BULLSHIT OR I WILL NOTIFY THE PRESS THAT WIKIPEDIA HAS ONE STANDARD FOR BIOGRAPHIES OF CHRISTIANS AND ANOTHER FOR BIOGRAPHIES OF JEWS. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 05:22, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Curly Turkey

side dispute

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Someone might want to look into Malik's behaviour as well—he whips out that "King of the Jews" thing at anyone who disagrees with him with alarming frequency, and his "I WILL NOTIFY THE PRESS" is in violation of the spirit if not strictly the letter of Wikipedia:No legal threats. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:07, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Nishidani: your statement would make sense if this were simply a blowup on Malik's part, but rather it's been his whole persistent approach to the Sanders kerfuffle since day one, both there and in other fora. And he's not known from backing down from his statements, no matter how plainly and undeniably wrong he's proven to be. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:04, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - Jesus, Nishidani, if Malik's behaviour—melodramatically accusing everyone he meets of antisemitism, threatening to take Wikipedia to "the press" is magnificent, and refusing to retract statements he himself know are empirically wrong—is "magnificent", then I have to wonder what behaviour you would object to. He's crossed any number of lines. Well, whatever you think of him, his threat will have to be dealt with. Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 00:31, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz: You're suggesting an empty Infobox field is OR? The argument is not whether he is or is not Jewish, which is covered in detail in the article body, but whether the Infobox should state: "Religion: Jewish" (and the larger question—whether infoboxes should state people's religions at all, which many of us are opposed to). Curly Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 00:34, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Winkelvi

distraction

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Did Malik Shabazz really just issue a threat to damage Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Foundation with a statement to the press that would essentially state Wikipedia condones and engages in anti-Semitism? That has to fall under WP:NLT. Admins who have commented here need to be made aware of this. Pinging Laser brain, Bishonen, Spartaz, Number 57. I think it's also worth mentioning that Malik is a here as a result of canvassing [15] by SirJoseph. It also should be noted that Sir Joseph has actually violated his topic ban by continuing to discuss the article here, relentlessly, for over a day since the topic ban was imposed. Admins below are endorsing a six month topic ban. I would suggest that this would be not just reasonable but appropriate since SJ continues to violate the topic ban based on discussing the topic/article here and using this forum as a soapbox for discussion, abusing the purpose of this forum. Enough is enough. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 15:12, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It should be noted Sir Joseph has continued to discuss the Sanders article here and here, in spite of and in violation of his topic ban. Obviously, he doesn't take the TBAN seriously or care that it exists. Since his violation of the ban is pretty much being ignored, I have to wonder if admins who have commented take it seriously, too. Not trying to cause problems, but, really? Why is he being allowed to continue in this manner? -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 04:15, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Nishidani

Distraction

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Could we lay off Malik Shabazz. That's not a legal threat. He's quite correct that there is something odd in the way, as distinct from other ethnicities, issues regarding Jews lead to humongous, ill-informed threads. I believe he is wrong to identify this as coming from only one side: Sir Joseph and others have relentlessly tried to pull Sanders into a conventional Jewish religious identity on the basis of his Jewish identity, confusing ethnicity with religion, birth with metaphysics. That Identity issues are extremely sensitive matters, particular in this regard, and upset people is only to be expected and we should not make a mountain out of a molehill. Nishidani (talk) 15:28, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Curly Turkey. If Malik, whose editing I've observed for nearly a decade, happens to perceive something I've missed, or can't see, I think about it. If he is pissed off, I'm not going to grizzle. His record has been, aside from one slip caused by having to edit with a fucking idiot, magnificent. So don't niggle away. There were lots of stupid remarks said on both sides, and it is pointless fussing. Drop it.Nishidani (talk) 21:49, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Sir Joseph

Statement by Darkfrog24

At first this looks like just a content dispute, but according to Coffee's official notice, Sir J was sanctioned for failing to get consensus before adding disputed content.[16] And Sir J seems to be saying "Even though I didn't wait for the other editors to say 'okay' on the talk page, I did find exactly what they asked for, so I shouldn't be topic-banned." Is that correct? As for content, I've been in a similar situation and it is very frustrating, but editors don't always say what it is that they really want (or they don't list all their reasons). What worked in my case was that a neutral party came in, figured out what the additional issue was, and then we ran a clearly worded RfC that addressed that issue directly. In that case, the other editors were asking for reliable sources, but the additional issue was the subjective editorial decision of whether the content improved the article. I didn't understand why no matter how many sources I found they still weren't happy. Once we were able to deal with these matters separately, things proceeded in a quick and civilized fashion. Darkfrog24 (talk) 18:05, 29 February 2016 (UTC) EDIT: Okay, I went through the RfC thread and I don't see any clear version of "Just find us a reliable source that says X and we're fine with the addition." Rather, the discussion focuses on ethnic vs. religious Judaism, on participation and on whether Sanders' Jewish status is notable. Maybe Sir J found what one or two of the many participants said they wanted, and props for the legwork, but that's not enough to reasonably assume that most of the participants would be satisfied. (Also, Spacklick seems to be addressing the editorial issue directly.) Darkfrog24 (talk) 18:22, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by SMcCandlish

"Jewish" has multiple meanings. It's original research to label someone as professing a religious faith when they may simply be commenting on part of their ethnic background. There are lots of agnostic/atheist Jews, and so on. So, it doesn't matter how many places he says he's proud to be Jewish, it has no impact on the infobox parameter unless and until we have him saying he's religiously Jewish. And that is probably something that should be a self-statement, for a BLP, especially one subjected to racist and faith-based slurs from Christian rednecks and the like. E.g., if Fox News claims he goes to synagogue, that's not a reliable source. An infobox religion parameter is a very blunt instrument. What Sanders's "Jewishness" entails, to the extent it's even encyclopedic, is a matter best explored in the article body, like the "Irishness" of various individuals in certain parts of that island in various time periods, and so on. Not every group label is a cut-and-dry matter. I don't see any recognition of this complexity and nuance on the part of the appellant, just a certainty that a great wrong is being done by not putting the word "Jewish" into that slot in the infobox. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼ 10:34, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Only in Death

BLP is quite clear, and has consistantly been upheld at the BLP noticeboard on this: we dont make blanket statements of fact over controversial issues regarding living people where there is contradictory information. We explore the contradictions in the prose. No one has denied Sander is Jewish. However there is enough contradictory sources, including statements from the subject, that having religion in infobox state 'Jewish' is not appropriate. No one has suggested it cant be explored in the article, as that would be the appropriate place. Infobox's however only allow for definite facts. Of which Sander's religion is not one.

Malik's threat above however is frankly ridiculous. We apply the same criteria to other potentially controversial infobox subjects like sexuality. Absent a clear declaration from the subject they are X, we dont state subject is X. Sanders states he is Jewish, but does not clearly state his religion is Jewish. There are no excuses - everybody should be aware by now why there is a difference, and if they are not, they shouldnt be editing articles on Jewish people.

Personally I think anyone making threats to go to the press unless they are allowed to tag public figures as religious Jews should be banned for life from all Jewish-related articles. Only in death does duty end (talk) 11:34, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In reply to JamesBWatson - His PR presspack (which was available on the website) listed his religion as 'Jewish'. -ninja edit- Appears to still be available on right hand side via 'download press package' button. If there were no contradictory sources, as a primary source this would usually be enough. However when the subject themselves also states they are not religious it gets a bit murkier. Its just not clear cut enough for a definitive infobox statement. Only in death does duty end (talk) 14:35, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by JamesBWatson

SMcCandlish and Only in death are perfectly right: I have known many people of Jewish ancestry who describe themselves as "Jewish" despite not believing in or following the Jewish religion, so describing oneself as "proud to be Jewish" is not proof that one follows that religion. Since Sir Joseph makes it abundantly clear that his ban appeal is because he wishes to persist in his campaign to include Jewish as Sanders's religion, substantially on the basis of the statement "I am proud to be Jewish", without indication whether that means "religiously Jewish" or not, the appeal should not be allowed. Furthermore, Sir Joseph also makes the bizarre claim that putting "Jewish" as ethnicity is "antisemitic", and if he intends to edit in relation to jews on the basis of such weird views as that, then that is further confirmation that he should not be trusted to edit in relation to jews. He goes on to say "All the other politicians do not have to worry about their religious observances but if you're Jewish then you need to measure it up or you might not get to be labeled Jewish enough by the Wikipedia editors", but if after all that has been said to him about this issue, on various pages, he still has not grasped that the whole point is that neither he nor anyone else has produced evidence that judaism is Sanders's "religious observance" then that is yet further confirmation that he is incapable of editing in this area, and that the topic ban should stay.

Side discussion

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Malik Shabazz's comments about different standards for Christians and Jews is utterly absurd: does he really not know that the word "Christian" is used only to mean people of a particular religion, whereas "Jewish" is used to refer both to religion and to ethnicity, so that the two are not comparable? I would counsel him to be cautious about carrying out his threat (childishly shouted at us in capital letters) to "expose" us to the press for treating the two as different cases, because the two are different cases.

One last point: Sir Joseph says "Relgion:Jewish (sic) is on his Senate.gov website", but I have searched http://www.sanders.senate.gov and various subpages of that page, such as http://www.sanders.senate.gov/about, and nowhere can I find that stated. Can Sir Joseph tell us exactly where in that web site the information is to be found? The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 13:39, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Maunus

I second SmCandlish's statement. The argument for putting the label in the religion slot, ignores the fact that unlike the word "Christian" the word "Jewish" is polysemic and does not only refer to religion. ·maunus · snunɐɯ· 16:24, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Ivanvector

Is this section meant to be broken up by sub-headers? No matter I guess.

Sir Joseph is clearly in violation of his topic ban, I mean there can be no question, this entire appeal is continuing to discuss Bernie Sanders, the topic that Sir Joseph is banned from. I expect to see appeals in the form, "this topic ban is invalid because <evidence the ban rationale was incorrect>" or some such. For example, Sir Joseph could argue that Coffee was mistaken and SJ actually didn't add contentious information ~~with~~ without (corrected 20:22, 2 March 2016 (UTC)) firm consensus, and/or point to the discussion which established that consensus, or that he didn't edit war to reinsert it, or perhaps Sir Joseph would argue that he was not aware of the discretionary sanctions. But that is not Sir Joseph's approach, he's merely continuing to argue that he's right. But let's assume he did make an appeal of that sort.[reply]

Was there consensus for the edit? The large, open RfC on the talk page suggests not. It's still open, of course, but I think it's a pretty big leap to say it's going to close as support. So there's no consensus.

Did Sir Joseph edit war to add the edit? He sure did. Not to mention that these edits came while the matter was still being hotly contested on the talk page, he ought to have known, sourced or not, that these edits would be contentious.

Was Sir Joseph aware of the discretionary sanctions? I find it hard to believe that anybody edits in topic areas like these without knowing about the WP:BLP policy and related DS, but just in case he also missed the editnotice, there's this warning on his talk page.

Is the blocking administrator WP:INVOLVED? No reason has been given as to why Coffee should be considered involved here, and I can't find one.

So I don't see any reason that this ban should be overturned. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 17:19, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Liz

Since you asked the question, JamesBWatson if you go to his About page there is a box that says "PRESS PACKAGE DOWNLOAD (PDF)". If you download this biography, which I assume is official, it states that Sanders religion is "Jewish". I don't think any editor of Wikipedia is qualified to judge how religious Sanders is or what he means by Jewish. It's his self-identification. Any interpretation of this by a Wikipedia editor is pure original research. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:17, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Masem

As only involved in responding to discussion at BLP/N and OR/N, the issue is that while the press kit (which may or may not be authored directly by Sanders) says that, his statements directly recorded by the press as self-identification beg the question of his religion. The press kit is conflicting with his statements to a point where saying "Religion: Jewish" in the infobox may be wrong. It would be OR to try to come to a conclusion either way from these sets of conflicting statements. It's well recognized that what his religious beliefs are is important, but can't be readily summarized in one word. Hence, a solution that I offered at OR/N that seems to have consensus is to have "See (Religion section)" as the entry in the infobox - it doesn't deny he has stated some type of faith, but it is something not readily captured by one or two words. In my eyes, this is the similar practice that we allow people to omit infoboxes from bio articles if they believe the infobox is insufficient for capturing a person in a brief snapshot. --MASEM (t) 00:41, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Darouet

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I was summoned to the RfC on the Sanders religion issue, and SMcCandlish hit the nail on the head describing that discussion. Masem's proposal is also reasonable. But Malik's comment on Guy Macon is way off - certainly insulting at the least - and unfortunate given their otherwise positive contributions. -Darouet (talk) 04:22, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Result of the appeal by Sir Joseph

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The topic ban seems reasonable to me. The page has an obvious edit notice that quite clearly states "You must obtain firm consensus on the talk page of this article before making any potentially contentious edits, must not engage in edit warring." You were fully aware that the RfC on the talk page has not yet been closed one way or the other, so it was clearly inappropriate to make the edit and even more inappropriate to edit war over it (for the record, I gave an opinion on the RfC but have otherwise had no involvement in the article, so no idea whether that makes me "involved" or not). Number 5 7 18:04, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support ban. I see Sir Joseph has claimed, in his appeal to Coffee, that he didn't know his edit was contentious.[17] To someone who has spent an hour today reading the RfC on Talk:Bernie Sanders, as I have, that is an absurd claim, and I find it difficult to assume it was made in good faith. Compare also the diffs Coffee supplied in his reply here. It looks to me like a topic ban is the only way to stop Sir Joseph from trying to get his opinion into the article by sheer weight of edit warring on the article + repetitiousness on the talkpage. Have a read of WP:REHASH, Sir Joseph. (And incidentally of WP:CANVASS to, regarding this message.) I'm frankly not sure a week is enough. Bishonen | talk 19:07, 29 February 2016 (UTC).[reply]

Adding: Sir Joseph's broad hints in his most recent post that his opponents are motivated by antisemitism ("antisemitic", "troubling")[18] are completely unacceptable. Bishonen | talk 19:43, 29 February 2016 (UTC).[reply]

@Sir Joseph: It might be better to give evidence for your claim that I'm not uninvolved than to keep "reiterating" it. I think people would be more interested. Bishonen | talk 21:50, 1 March 2016 (UTC).[reply]

Support existing ban and extension to six months. I concur that there's no way Sir Joseph didn't know this was a contentious edit. I am also very troubled by his statement above about antisemitism—I note that he has been blocked in the past for calling other editors terrorists. --Laser brain (talk) 19:55, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have blocked Sir Joseph for edit warring to reunsert a topic ban vio. clearly they cannot control their editing, which eans we need the topic ban. Spartaz ^Humbug! 22:51, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Now unblocked as I hadn't realised the sanction had been updated and the talk page edit predated that. Still support refusing the appeal. Endorse ban extending to talk page. Spartaz ^Humbug! 23:20, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support ban, which should include the talk page. Debating what religion should be ascribed to someone in the infobox of their article is obviously a hot-button issue. I see no case here for lifting the topic ban. Agree with User:Bishonen that a one-week ban may be considered short, so I would advise Sir Joseph to be careful in the future. It is worth noting that User:Laser brain has proposed an extension to six months. EdJohnston (talk) 17:38, 1 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'll support the six months too, Ed. Bishonen | talk 17:45, 1 March 2016 (UTC).[reply]

For the record, at this point, I also support extending the ban to 6 months. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 10:04, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The topic ban is clearly righteous and needs to be extended to cover the talk page and I agree that it should be extended to six months. This is a textbook example of WP:ROPE, if nothing else. Guy (Help!) 14:15, 2 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Closing soon: The original ban was by User:Coffee, and it was for one week. As modifiied, it covers editing any page related to Bernie Sanders. It will expire at 16:58 on 7 March. Although User:Coffee has commented in the admin section, his opinion is not counted for purposes of the appeal since he is the banning admin. According to WP:AC/DS#Appeals and modifications, appeals can be granted at AE only by the 'clear and substantial consensus of uninvolved administrators'. Among the five admins who commented (not including Coffee) nobody supports granting the appeal. So the appeal will be declined when this closes. To avoid confusion, I suggest that any admin who wants to extend the ban to six months should go ahead and do so as an individual admin action after this closes. Then that new action can (if necessary) have its own appeal. EdJohnston (talk) 02:35, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I9Q79oL78KiL0QTFHgyc

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User who is submitting this request for enforcement: David Tornheim (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 22:35, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I9Q79oL78KiL0QTFHgyc (aka jps) and Alexbrn have edit-warred material into the article GMO conspiracy theories based on self-published sources and other poor sourcing, ignoring objections. Jps created the article on January 31, 2016 to look like this. Many of the sources do not meet our sourcing guidelines. I pointed this out here and then took out a number of these unreliable sources [19] [20] [21] [22]. (Please note that Genetic Literacy Project is run by Jon Entine a Pro-GMO advocate. [23][24]; Mark Lynas does similar pro-GMO advocacy [25].) jps went ahead and put the material back in without addressing any of the concerns and without achieving consensus first here. I reverted here. Alexbrn edit-warred the material back in here despite continuing objections here. Tsavage also explained the problematic sourcing here.

At this ANI, jps's behavior was outrageous. Jps lied about the content of sources: [26]. He originally said that Domingo 2011^[1] was "much criticized" [27]. When Petrarchan47 pointed out he was lying and asked him to "prove it" [28] [29], he responded with three journals [30], none of which criticized Domingo. An independent editor Sammy1339 confirmed it was a lie here. Rather than address the misrepresentations, jps made a mockery of the proceedings.[31][32][33][34][35] Jusdafax noted this disruptful behavior [36], as did Petrarchan47 [37].

^ Domingo, José L.; Giné Bordonaba, Jordi (2011). "A literature review on the safety assessment of genetically modified plants (5 February 2011)" (PDF). Environment International. 37 (4): 734–42. doi:10.1016/j.envint.2011.01.003. PMID 21296423.

--David Tornheim (talk) 22:35, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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This warning has been on the article talk page in which both users have participated since 19:27 January 31,2016. I put further reminder pinging user here and another on the talk page here.

Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, see the system log linked to above.
Gave an alert about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on 1/31/2016

Additional comments by editor filing complaint: Regarding Kingofaces43 false allegations that I reverted solely based on "no consensus". Although I did not explain all my reasoning in the edit notes, In every single case, I discussed the revert on the talk page, and King was present in every one of those discussions. Often I created a section on the talk page and pinged the editor.

For [38],[39], I restored material that had been stable in the article for a long time. The deletions were one-side and I and other editors discussed the non-NPOV removals here.

For [40], see discussion and my comment

For [41], see [42]

For [43], the edit note gives other reasons. I further discuss on the talk page here: [44] (part of this discussion).

King's remaining diffs are just as poorly represented, but to spare Liz and others, I will limit providing more diffs:

For the sentence about "pull[ing] a full 180 degrees" to "edit war content back in":
- The first group of 3 is covered in this complaint: I was not adding but removing material that was based on blogs and self-published sites by pro-GMO advocates.
- The next 3 diffs I restored well-sourced relevant material that was removed unilaterally. I even improved one of the sources.

The key difference between material I removed in the first 3 diffs and material I restored in the next 3, is the quality of the sources. That is why I brought this action. There is no reason for editors who have been here as long as jps and Alexbrn to waste our time trying to force material with such shoddy sourcing into the encyclopedia, when they know better.

For the remainder of King's diffs, he actually brings up actions taken against me by a now-topic-banned editor--I brought those exact actions as evidence at the ArbCom that resulted in that editor being topic-banned.

Regarding Shock Brigade Harvester Boris's statement:

Neither of those two editors are new to GMO's or new to Wikipedia. Both were at the GMO ArbCom proceeding. And both had edited and commented on GMO articles prior to the creation of the conspiracy article, advocating pro-industry positions. However, a new editor BarrelProof has shown up that immediately saw the problem that brought this action. [45]. --David Tornheim (talk) 01:11, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding Bishonen's statement:

Why is jps immune from prosecution? How can you be sure jps is innocent when you have not even looked at the evidence? What kind of justice system is this? --David Tornheim (talk) 21:21, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Statement by I9Q79oL78KiL0QTFHgyc

Claims of edit warring are pretty strange. Certainly no violation of 1RR or even anything close to that (weeks in between reversions?) has occurred by anyone active at the article. I have encountered a lot of resistance from people of a certain political persuasion when it comes to the GMO controversy. Unfortunately, discussion on the talkpage has occasionally degenerated into problematic arguments by anti-GMO activists that, for example, sources such as academic books published by Oxford University Press were unreliable.[48] Sorry about my exasperation. I will try to dial back the snark as much as possible.

It would be nice if you all would give David and Petra little breaks from this subject as they are the ones who are most problematic in baiting and changing the discussion from content toward argumentative rhetoric. The AN/I discussion was outlandish for its demonstration that anti-GMO activists are so ideologically inclined to attach themselves to their favored sources, they cannot even understand when the sources are contradicted. I also find it particularly galling when they try to claim that Mark Lynas and David Entine are somehow corrupt sources[49] (e.g., an argument that because Entine works for AEI and climate deniers also work for AEI that therefore Entine is not a reliable source for information on genetic engineering, biotechnology, or food safety -- what?). Petra has gone so far as to claim equivalency between Lynas and Vani Hari [50] which is a level of incompetence regarding the identification of reliable sources that is fairly unrivaled at Wikipedia since maybe the time we were overrun with climate deniers.

jps (talk) 00:09, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Diffs (for those who like them)

WP:BOOMERANG may apply here as well. These are all David diffs since he filed the report:

Revert by David. See WP:KETTLE.
Heavy handed ordering of other editors. Basically asserting an odd form of ownership over the article ordering what edits I can and cannot do without so much as suggesting discussion is possible.
continuing to harass an editor banned in the relevant arbcom case [51]

Responses

@Liz:: You're absolutely right about the arbcom GMO case. The problem, I think, is similar to what happened with global warming. There are just many editors with the same agendas willing to hop back into the game after their friends are banned and there is no arbitration of content (which is really what is needed because at the end of the day that's where the dispute lies -- not in behavior). What ended up happening in the climate change omnibus case was an outright ban of basically everyone with the deniers remaining banned and the "pro-science" folks slowly restored. We're almost at the point where all the things that the pro-science crowd wanted to do back in 2009 are accomplished, but some might argue that Wikipedia is better for having done the shoot first, ask questions later approach since it was ultimately difficult to pin the disciplinary action on any one ideology. But make no mistake, we know which "side" won that battle and it is pretty clear to me which "side" will win this battle too in the long run. If it takes a Boris-style suggestion of kicking us all to the curb to get it done because of the dysfunctional way Wikipedia administration and arbitration works, I guess that's okay by me. As the mother who asked that Solomon give the baby to the other woman rather than splitting it in twain, I would rather a decision made that will ultimately save the encyclopedia from becoming a haven for anti-GMO paranoia rather than preserving any small part I may have in helping this situation along. But you might consider whether the article I have written (for the most part) really is as bad as my esteemed colleagues who have dragged me here would have you believe. jps (talk) 03:04, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Tryptofish

This is more complicated than what the filing editor describes. Bottom line: jps should be strongly advised to dial back his sarcasm and snark, with the understanding that continuation will likely result in action here: [52], [53], [54].

At the same time, there is some reason for exasperation on jps' part, and some degree of conduct from the "other side" that gets rather close to baiting. I've gone through every single diff that David T. provided. The so-called edit warring isn't quite that, although David was just as much involved in it as anyone else – and I don't see anything disruptive on Alexbrn's part. When David talks about "unreliable sources", he is throwing PZ Myers and Scientific American into the mix, so the content dispute has a lot more shades of gray than what is presented. About the Domingo source, well, we can probably quibble over whether it was "much criticized", or just "criticized". The three sources cited by jps draw somewhat the opposite conclusions to Domingo, and since then another reliable source has directly refuted Domingo: [55]. Anti-GMO activists cling to the Domingo source, which is why it seems to be such high stakes. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:01, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Kingofaces43

Tryptofish described the overall situation well, but I do have to suggest a boomerang for David Tornheim as jps mentioned for a vexatious AE filing like this, which has resulted in action on other editors before.[56]. David Tornheim does have a tendency to antagonize the situation in this topic by some very clear cut fringe-advocacy behavior, which is only continuing to exacerbate the community's patience as we've seen in jps' case. WP:KETTLE is the most apparent behavior problem associated with battleground behavior for anyone that's been following David's actions in this topic.

Edit warring often occurs with David making demands as jps pointed out[57] or where they revert a new edit basically demanding in edit summaries that material cannot be changed without their approval even when they don't attempt to open up initial talk page discussion on it, which runs entirely against WP:DRNC.(just need to read edit summaries here)[58][59][60][61][62] They still fail to see this problem in their behavior even in their comments in this filing.[63] However, when it comes to David's own edits, they pull a full 180 and try to edit war content back in they are already aware didn't have consensus such as this string (some intermediate edits not included)[64][65][66], and this[67][68][69] More kettle issues come up at the ANI[70] David tries to cite as evidence if someone takes the time to read through their multitude of posts, especially the battleground aspect of bringing up Nazi's, etc.

David has been warned multiple times at ANI now for battleground, edit warring, and general tendentiousness. [71][72][73], plus by admins for peanut gallery type behavior in this topic at admin boards.[74] Continuing that behavior and jumping to AE when someone shows reasonable frustration is just more battleground. We're past the point of warnings, so it's starting to look like the path to a topic ban is already being well traveled. If that doesn't seem clear to admins yet, reading the edit summaries in my diffs should be enough indication for a 0RR restriction for David as an intermediate step at this point.

In short, if someone truly believes there is something actionable here in terms of jps, we pretty much have an unambiguous case for even more severe action against David, especially if admins want to get into more detail than what I've briefly presented. Kingofaces43 (talk) 05:54, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Responding to Short Brigade Harvester Boris, I don't think we're in such dire straits that we'd need such a nuclear option. We've been making slow progress in this topic with a decent handful of disruptive editors already topic banned. We basically have two core editors left that really frequent the topic (right now at least) with advocacy/battleground issues. David is one of those with their behavior being the more problematic of the two. My hope is that pruning back David's behavior should finally get us to a relative die-down on drama or at least to the point where action might only needed for one or two more editors to really settle things down. Kingofaces43 (talk) 16:38, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Alexbrn

I see I have been accused of edit-warring on an article where I have only made two (unrelated) edits ever.[75][76]

That says it all. Alexbrn (talk) 06:33, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Shock Brigade Harvester Boris

This nonsense has gone on too long. The editing atmosphere is much too toxic for any newcomers to try to contribute, as User:Alexbrn's statement above demonstrate. Suggested remedy:

1. Compile a list of everyone who has edited the topic in the past month. (I would like to exclude User:Alexbrn but this has to be absolute or there will be endless wrangling. Sorry Alex.)

2. Topic ban them for the next six months.

3. If any of these editors violates the topic ban even once, or if they file a complaint about any other editor on the list in any venue on any Wikimedia project, the remaining period of the topic ban is automatically and without discussion converted as a site ban.

No, I am not trying to be funny. Nothing else is going to work. We need to make this topic safe for new contributors if anything is to change. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 13:50, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Aircorn

A few babies will go down the drain if SBHB's remedy is used. I don't think we are at this stage though. The major problem revolves around our presentation of the safety of GMO food. The divide between the science and public opinion is large[77] and that is reflected on Wikipedia. Correspondingly most of the problems stem from disagreements over this issue. Good progress had been made on this front (for example Talk:Genetically modified crops#First proposal revised) and before we resort to kicking everyone a better first step would be to get a well run rfc to decide this question for an enforceable period of time. AIRcorn (talk) 08:19, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning I9Q79oL78KiL0QTFHgyc

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I think the lack of admin response to this request is due to fatigue regarding disputes in the GMO area which show up at AE on a regular basis. It seems like the GMO arbitration case didn't settle things down one bit. You all have presented dozens and dozens of diffs so it will take a while for me (and others) to weigh the merits of your arguments. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:29, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It is indeed very fatiguing. But before I faint from the oxygen-deprivation of tunnelling into the diff collections above and other background material, I will with my last breath oppose any sanction of jps in this matter. Bishonen | talk 17:17, 5 March 2016 (UTC).[reply]

@David Tornheim: Did I say I hadn't looked at the evidence? I have tunnelled into it, and that's the reason I'm oxygen-deprived, dizzy and exhausted. I'm continuing to look, but wanted to register an interim opposition to sanctions, based on what I've seen so far. I'm still looking, and may be back. Bishonen | talk 11:00, 6 March 2016 (UTC).[reply]

Jytdog

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User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Dialectric (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 20:52, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Jytdog (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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March 5, 2016 diff - Bayer CropScience Limited produces agricultural chemicals. Per Remedy 8 in the GMO case, Jytdog is banned from pages related to agricultural chemicals. This is an unambiguous breach of the topic ban.

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In addition to the above edit which is clearly within the scope of the topic ban, Jytdog has made a number of recent edits to a range of other Bayer-related articles. Per the January 2016 reword of the Discretionary sanctions in the GMO case, companies that produce agricultural chemicals are within the scope of the sanctions, and it could be inferred that this clarification of scope would also apply to topic bans. While the majority of Jytdog's edits here appear to be related to their pharma business, Bayer produces agricultural chemicals and has been involved in the production of, and controversies related to, GMOs (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2011-07-01/bayer-to-pay-750-million-to-end-lawsuits-over-genetically-modified-rice example ref).

@ Kingofaces43 This filing primarily concerns only one diff, evaluation of which should not pose a undue burden to admins. I reject Kingofaces43’ position that this filing is vexatious. Jytdog writes in his statement that he agrees his edit was a violation of his topic ban. Please provide a link where anyone has told Jytdog that he has ‘been explicitly told it's ok to edit,’ Bayer-related articles. The discussion you link for the statement that 'adding companies to existing topic bans did not pass' shows that there were not enough votes either way. I assume this means arbcom members could still vote to pass it. Dialectric (talk) 23:53, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Kingofaces43 , I believe you are reading more into the arbcom motion than is there. There is no explicit statement that it is OK to edit articles about agchem companies. In fact several arbcom members say explicitly 'don't test the boundaries'. An admin could reasonably take a topic ban on agricultural chemicals broadly construed to include those companies which produce agricultural chemicals, whether or not arbcom included wording about companies. Bayer CropScience is more closely related to GMOs, the core of the controversy, than Agent Orange is related to GMOs. If you would like to discuss interpretation of the arbcom decision further, you are welcome to do so on my talk page.Dialectric (talk) 01:45, 6 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Jytdog Thank you for reverting the edit to Bayer CropScience Limited.Dialectric (talk) 23:55, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As Jytdog has reverted his edit, I believe this issue is now resolved. If an uninvolved admin agrees, feel free to close.Dialectric (talk) 00:13, 6 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Statement by Jytdog

I was cleaning up articles around Bayer which had a proliferation of articles that had contradictory/overlapping content (here are my contribs for today), and noted that in my edit note when I redirected this stub to the main Bayer article. There was nearly identical content already in the Bayer article. I see the violation of course, and I reckoned that someone might have a cow over this, but was figuring no one would because it is ... minor... obvious... and it is hard to see why anyone would care or object, I guess. Anyway, no drama - I have reverted the redirect and will leave that piece for someone else. Would have done the same had Dielectric just asked me. But this is for sure a violation and the path to AE was wide open. No argument there. Jytdog (talk) 21:02, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bayer went through a big re-organization in January. Along with bringing in the disparate articles that had come existence about old corporate structures, I was going to rework the article, tiptoeing around the ag stuff carefully, but in light of this filing I am stopping and will leave the rest to someone else. Jytdog (talk) 22:21, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kingofaces43 I'm not arguing that it wasn't a TBAN violation. It is just so minor/obvious I just figured common sense would apply. Since it has been called out, I have reverted. No need for drama. Jytdog (talk) 00:08, 6 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Kingofaces43

There's no violation here, even technical. Jytdog's topic ban covers at most pesticide related content here. For better or worse, ArbCom made it clear that the current topic bans they handed out do not specifically apply to companies producing pesticides as long as the editor is not editing about topics covered by the ban; specifically adding companies to existing topic bans did not pass. [78] Arbs were pretty clear there that edits on this specific area should be watched closely, but would cautiously be allowed. This has come up a few times at AE now, so Dialectric should know better than to file a case like this when we already have another vexatious GMO filing just above this.

Some GMO topic-banned editors have been given admin guidance outside of their ban to stay away from the agricultural company articles entirely because they still couldn't disengage from advocacy for other disruptive behavior. Putting in a redirect for an article that does not even discuss any of the topic ban areas is about as far as you could get from that and is in line with what arbs were allowing.

We've discussed admin malaise with GMO AE filings above already.[79] What's starting to become interesting is that most topic-bans by ArbCom and filings that resulted in action at AE have been against editors critical of the scientific consensus on GMOs in some fashion. When those same editors file cases here though, they're often found to be lacking merit or even resulting in a boomerang on the filer. In a case like this were Dialectric is effectively using Jytdog's topic ban to push them out of topics without legitimate reason where they have been explicitly told it's ok to edit, we do need to start clamping down on that behavior.

It makes me look like I'm out for blood when I end up calling for a boomerang here so often, so would ask that admins be mindful of this trend we have now (just a glimpse of what us regulars without sanctions have been putting up with) when it comes to assessing filings. I would ask admins that if they see a filing that's tenuous at best, to nip it in the bud with a good look at whether it would serve the topic to take action against the filer. Hopefully that cuts down on the litany GMO filings in the future. Kingofaces43 (talk) 23:10, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dialectric, the amendment decision explicitly says an edit like this is fine. The amendment to add companies was rejected by a majority of arbs as an official clarification, and the oppose votes outline the details of this reasoning rather clearly. If that weren't the case, we would have blocked other editors earlier for much worse as a violation of their GMO topic ban. We had guidance from ArbCom on this, so we shouldn't be ignoring it in this case when we've used the guidance for past enforcement. You were involved in WP:ARCA at the time, so that's why I said you should have been aware. That's all. Kingofaces43 (talk) 00:21, 6 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Adv4Ag

Just my opinion, but I agree with Kingofaces43. I couldn't believe Jytdog was facing another ArbCom after the topic ban, so I had to come take a look. My first thought when I saw the Bayer diff was, "You've got to be kidding. An ArbCom over a simple re-direct?!?" It just seems an awful lot like sour grapes to me. I'm a very infrequent editor, so maybe my opinion doesn't matter, but it sure looks like making a mountain out of a molehill. Adv4Ag (talk) 23:31, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by AlbinoFerret

Arbcom did clarify that editors topic banned in the GMO case could edit pages of companies that produce agracutural chemicals as long as it was not about GMO's or agracutural chemicals. But the edit in question appears to remove GMO information. In the removal we find this refrence.

<ref name="Bayer CropScience buys SeedWorks ">{{cite news|title=Bayer CropScience buys SeedWorks |publisher=[[Business Standard]]|accessdate=September 2015|url=http://www.business-standard.com/content/b2b-chemicals/bayer-cropscience-buys-vegetable-seed-firm-seedworks-india-115060101389_1.html}}</ref>

This is a clear violation. AlbinoFerret 16:04, 6 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Askahrc

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Request concerning Askahrc

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Manul (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 03:43, 6 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Askahrc (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Pseudoscience :

2 March 2014 "Askahrc (talk · contribs) is strongly admonished for using an IP address to harass other users and waste the community's time (see the SPI). Askahrc is warned that any attempt to harass other users, waste the community's time or edit logged out or with another account in contravention of WP:SOCK will result in an extended block. Askahrc is also restricted to using the Askahrc account only when editing pseudoscience or fringe science related topics and is banned from notifying any user of pseudoscience or fringe science discretionary sanctions. See the warning for further information."
5 March 2014 (Previous AE request) "Tabled for now, with the understanding that there is a low bar for reporting newer disruption."

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

Last year I privately emailed this and other evidence to Arbcom who, despite the evidence containing a real name, suggested that it be handled on-wiki. Askahrc identified himself when he brought attention to his contributions to an off-wiki harassment site containing his name,[80] and an Arbcom member had recorded the page.[81] In several emails I politely implored Arbcom to look at issues involving Askahrc, but did not receive a reply. If Askahrc or anyone else has a problem with reference to the name then please take it up with Arbcom. Out of courtesy I will not mention the name in clear text here. I notified Arbcom of this AE request before submitting it.

I changed my name from Vzaak to Manul in order to mitigate the off-wiki harassment from Tumbleman and Askahrc,[82] and I eventually dropped the Askahrc matter altogether. Unfortunately Askahrc has recently renewed his false attacks against me on-wiki (evidence to follow). Since this matter was originally intended for Arbcom, who sent it here, it involves a bit more detail than the usual AE request, so please give a little latitude on space.

Askahrc has orchestrated a number of deceptions on Wikipedia. He has only been sanctioned for the first point below. Items 3 and 4 are new issues not brought before, and item 5 is an ongoing problem extending to the present moment (the recent diffs from 3 March 2016 are at the end).

Askahrc harassed editors with an IP sockpuppet[83] for which he was given strong warning in the DS log.[84] Three admins affirmed the sockpuppetry.[85][86][87]
By issuing threats under the disguise of the sockpuppet, Askahrc was trumping up the "bullying" evidence for his Arbcom case, "Persistent Bullying of Rupert Sheldrake Editors". Indeed the case begins, "This request for arbitration is to resolve recurring threats..."[88]
Askahrc used the fabricated harassment evidence to rile up support in his off-wiki canvassing: "Nearly a dozen editors who have disagreed with the skeptical majority's opinion on the Sheldrake page have been threatened with banning."[89] To be clear, Askahrc himself issued the threats and then complained about them in order to generate "buzz", and indeed the story was picked up by blogs.
Askahrc knowingly permitted Tumbleman's sockpuppet SAS81 to disrupt Wikipedia, standing by while Tumbleman (as SAS81) attacked editors with whom he and Askahrc had prior grievances (evidence to follow). Admins at Tumbleman's AE called him "pure WP:SOUP", "likely just a troll", and "a thoroughly disruptive editor, and either a troll or else someone with serious WP:COMPETENCE issues".[90]
- Askahrc and Tumbleman had already been affiliated via the off-site harassment prior to the appearance of the SAS81 sock.
- Askahrc is the founder of ISHAR[91] where Tumbleman worked.[92]
- Out of the millions of topics on Wikipedia, Askahrc "just happened" to become involved with the topic of Deepak Chopra soon after Tumbleman (as SAS81) appeared. Askahrc's first Chopra-related comment on Wikipedia is at BLPN where he replies to Tumbleman.[93] Hours later he jumps into a COIN discussion to defend Tumbleman and "help mediate".[94] And after joining forces with Tumbleman, Askahrc was effectively an SPA for Chopra.
- Examples of attacks by Tumbleman as SAS81 may be found in the "harass" and "bias" section of the SPI.[95] In a thread in which Askahrc participated, Tumbleman strongly attacked me with wild and false accusations, calling me "unscrupulous".[96]
Presently Askahrc has relaunched his campaign to falsely paint me as someone who files fraudulent SPIs.
- This began with his campaigning in favor of Tumbleman after Tumbleman's block,[97][98][99][100] e.g. "a large number of innocent editors have been blocked as collateral damage".
- The campaigning additionally included WP:POLEMICs on his talk page[101][102][103] which were copied to the off-wiki harassment site.
- Other examples from the long campaign:
  - Suggesting I have an "an inappropriate tendency to accuse people who disagree with them of sockpuppetry"[104]
  - Suggesting a "high number of editors who have been accused and blocked" by me for sockpuppetry.[105] (In fact it was just one person with multiple socks.)
  - Suggesting the SPI was somehow equivocal, and falsely claiming that an admin told me to "stop".[106]
  - Suggesting that I engaged in misconduct by filing SPIs.[107] (No admin has ever suggested this.)
- Finally the recent campaigning (evidence to follow). Note the off-wiki harassment site has latched onto my new name, and later I quite publicly mentioned the name change in an RFA and user talk page, so whatever modicum of protection from Askahrc it served is now gone.
  - Falsely claiming that it was "eventually proven" that I had been "citing inaccurate information".[108]
  - Falsely claiming that the SPI evidence was "solidly debunked".[109]
  - Making the misleading statement that "the SPI conviction was not supported by a Checkuser"[110]. There was no checkuser request, of course, because checkusers won't link usernames to IPs due to the privacy policy.

Askahrc and Tumbleman (Askahrc's former co-worker at ISHAR and co-contributor to the off-wiki harassment site) have a strong interest in promoting the view that I am some kind of crazed editor who haphazardly files fraudulent SPIs against others. This is the basis on which the off-wiki harassment rests. Askahrc even has a financial interest in promoting this view now. Nothing can be done about off-wiki harassment, of course, but I won't tolerate it being brought on-wiki. In the past my pleas to stop it were ignored.[111][112] I had hoped Askahrc's campaign was over, but it yet continues. This is harassment, and I am citing the logged sanction against him, "Askahrc is warned that any attempt to harass other users..."[113]

Due to concern for length I have not even touched on the problems with Askahrc's other behavior and editing. For more on this topic, a starting place might be the two "pleas" in the previous paragraph. I am sure other editors have something to say on the matter.

@Littleolive oil: A couple days old is not stale. It's important to show that the problem has been ongoing, extending from the past to the present. I've added a note for clarification. Thanks for your help in improving this request. Manul ~ talk 06:53, 6 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Askahrc has responded in the same problematic way I outlined here. My response:

Askahrc claims some issues are "from years ago that have already been discussed in front of admins several times".
- Reality: It has never been discussed that Askahrc knowingly teamed up with a sockpuppet of a blocked user in order to influence the Chopra article. Askahrc's off-wiki harassment and canvassing activities have also never been discussed. These activities continue today, by the way.

Askahrc claims the actions brought against him were "more often than not with questionable or outright refuted evidence".
- Reality: In the first SPI, admins concluded that Askahrc was using an IP sockpuppet to harass users. In the first AE, two admins concluded that his behavior in addition to the sockpuppeting called for additional sanctions, though because of Askahrc's then-inactivity the request was tabled (not dismissed) with a "low bar" for reporting further disruption. The second SPI contained substantial evidence as well, and I am nowise at fault for filing it: a checkuser was requested and a checkuser was run, affirming that I the evidence I gave was sufficient.

Askahrc suggests I have a WP:GRUDGE.
- Reality: No, we are only here because Askahrc continues his campaign to discredit me, described above. If Askahrc had stopped then we wouldn't be here. I have no grudge and would be happy if Askahrc would let it drop, but that hasn't happened. As outlined above, Askahrc has a very long and ongoing WP:GRUDGE against me because I caught him harassing editors with a sock, as three admins affirmed.

Askahrc suggests that I "tracked him down".
- Reality: I was only alerted to him because I follow Callanecc's page. I've had many discussions with Callanecc in the past.

Askahrc claims his recent edits[114][115] were merely him "asking an admin for clarification".
- Reality: Those diffs are a continuation of his campaign to discredit me, as explained in this AE request.

Askahrc claims he "simply used factual statements" in his recent comments about me.[116][117]
- Reality: He made provably false statements about me, as explained in this AE request. This is part of the long pattern of harassment I outlined.

Askahrc is again suggesting that the lack of checkuser evidence is somehow a fault.
- Reality: As was just explained, per the Wikipedia privacy policy checkusers won't connect an IP to a username. The lack of a checkuser in an IP socking case is expected, not some kind of shortcoming.

Askahrc claims that I accused him of "suppressing" edits.
- Reality: Of course there is no such accusation, and the claim doesn't even make sense: Askahrc is not an admin much less an oversighter. He doesn't appear understand anything about the second SPI, which was complicated by a server cache bug.

Askahrc claims that I accused him of threatening "to murder people".
- Reality: What what what? An oversighter can confirm that the edits in question are nothing of the sort.

Manul ~ talk 15:09, 6 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

2 March 2014

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Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on 2 March 2014 by Callanecc (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA).

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Askahrc&diff=708535683&oldid=696033693

Discussion concerning Askahrc

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Statement by Askahrc

There's quite a bit to respond to, though it appears all but two refs (1, 2) are years old, and those two were me asking an admin for clarification. For the sake of brevity in responding to a very long accusation, I'm going to ignore issues from years ago that have already been discussed in front of admins several times, and just respond to a few pertinent points.

1) The "harassment" Manul/Vzaak is objecting to was a request I sent to the enforcing admin of the SPI from 2 years ago to review my status. I was not trying to attack Manul/Vzaak, I didn't even know they were still on WP; the user:Vzaak account was inactive. In it I mentioned the original slew of SPI's and AE's from Vzaak seemed to show a level of WP:GRUDGE. This is the fourth SPI/AE Manul/Vzaak has charged me with: I think WP:GRUDGE is not an unreasonable conclusion.

2) On the admin's page I explained the problems with the SPI's Manul/Vzaak brought against me. In addition to this being a far-cry from "harassment", I simply used factual statements. The first SPI accused me of having an IP in Long Beach, CA that I was socking from, and I was warned on the basis of Vzaak's massive list of clues, but with no Checkuser evidence. In the 2nd SPI Manul/Vzaak claimed I was again using a Long Beach IP to "suppress edits" and threaten to murder people. This time there was a Checkuser, and admins confirmed that I was Unrelated to the IP and far from Long Beach at the time of the edits (3, 4), and there was absolutely no evidence I had suppressed edits (5, 6). No need to trust my word, please review the diffs and linked archive.

3) As far as off-wiki harassment goes, I don't know what to say that hasn't been said already (7). I'm not Tumbleman and was not in charge of Tumbleman, and cannot be held accountable for his actions on or off-WP. I spoke in his defense long ago, before the full scope of his behavior was known and long before I began working for my organization, which has publicly severed all ties with him and his actions. I do not support any on or off-WP harassment.

I have no interest in tracking down and bothering Manul, but the opposite does not seem to be true. Given that Manul/Vzaak has come after me 4 times, more often than not with questionable or outright refuted evidence, I don't think this is going to go away. I'd rather not have to spend my days responding to their walls of accusations, so I'd request an WP:IBAN. If they are honestly concerned about me "harassing" them, this would also resolve that concern. the Cap'n ^{Hail me!} 11:17, 6 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't want to touchy, but this (1) does seems pretty inappropriate. Considering we've never interacted on the Deepak Chopra article (as far as I can recall), claiming there's an AE about the BLP page on the Deepak Chopra Talk Page, then linking to your AE against me seems like an attempt to WP:CANVASS. I don't want to assume intent, but it doesn't appear relevant to the article. the Cap'n ^{Hail me!} 11:53, 6 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by olive

This is very strange. Almost all of these diffs are years old; the filer seems to be attempting to use stale information and diffs to implicate an editor. When I first looked at this case I thought I had somehow stumbled onto an old case. Might be expedient to withdraw this complaint before more time is well.... wasted?(Littleolive oil (talk) 06:27, 6 March 2016 (UTC))[reply]

Statement by JzG

Askahrc is indeed waging a one man battle against reality-based criticisms of Chopra, but he is open about his COI, polite and in general a decent person. There is a worrying tendency to stonewall and endlessly make the same or very similar requests, but I don't see this as actionable at this point - perhaps an admonition to accept consensus and not spin things out forever might be justified, but no more that that IMO. Guy (Help!) 10:38, 6 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Result concerning Askahrc

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[1] The administrator may indicate consent at any time before, during, or after imposition of the restriction.

[2] This criterion does not apply if the original action was imposed as a result of rough consensus at the arbitration enforcement noticeboard, as there would be no single enforcing administrator.

[3] Domingo, José L.; Giné Bordonaba, Jordi (2011). "A literature review on the safety assessment of genetically modified plants (5 February 2011)" (PDF). Environment International. 37 (4): 734–42. doi:10.1016/j.envint.2011.01.003. PMID 21296423.

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 <nowiki><ref name="Bayer CropScience buys SeedWorks ">{{cite news|title=Bayer CropScience buys SeedWorks |publisher=[[Business Standard]]|accessdate=September 2015|url=http://www.business-standard.com/content/b2b-chemicals/bayer-cropscience-buys-vegetable-seed-firm-seedworks-india-115060101389_1.html}}</ref></nowiki>
-This is a clar violation. [[User:AlbinoFerret|<span style="color:white; background-color:#534545; font-weight: bold; font-size: 90%;">AlbinoFerret</span>]] 16:04, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
+This is a clear violation. [[User:AlbinoFerret|<span style="color:white; background-color:#534545; font-weight: bold; font-size: 90%;">AlbinoFerret</span>]] 16:04, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
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