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Rob Roy McGregor (admiral)

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Fails WP:BASIC. Awards do not meet #1 of WP:ANYBIO, source analysis follows:

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
https://archive.org/details/luckybag1929unse	U.S. Naval Academy yearbook, with profiles of students		alumni profile written in tongue in cheek style	✘ No
https://www.newspapers.com/image/52687379/			Wedding announcement with 2 sentences about him	✘ No
http://www.fleetorganization.com/subcommandersclassyear2.html		Page is a glorified blog	Page merely lists commanders and their commands	✘ No
https://www.newspapers.com/image/391116990/			? Newspaper story only viewable through subscription	? Unknown
https://www.newspapers.com/image/268592229/			? Newspaper story only viewable through subscription	? Unknown
https://newspaperarchive.com/coronado-eagle-and-journal-aug-11-1955-p-3/			? Newspaper story only viewable through subscription	? Unknown
https://newspaperarchive.com/newport-mercury-and-weekly-news-jun-26-1953-p-3/			? Newspaper story only viewable through subscription	? Unknown
https://valor.militarytimes.com/hero/55088		? Debatable if Miltary Times is RS	Page simply contains his 3 Silver Star citations	✘ No
https://www.newspapers.com/image/456344461/			? Newspaper story only viewable through subscription	? Unknown
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0570016/		IMDB is not considered RS	Mere listing for his role as a technical consultant	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Mztourist (talk) 11:59, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Mztourist (talk) 12:10, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Doesn't in my view meet standards as noted by nom. Intothat darkness 17:07, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment as the page had been ref-bombed by its creator, I have updated the source table above and continue it below from ref 11. As can be seen this is a collection of snippets with nothing significant and in-depth about him:

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
Register of Commissioned and Warrant Officers of the United States Navy and Marine Corps	U.S. Navy publication		mere listing of promotions and commands, this applies to 6 refs in total	✘ No
https://www.newspapers.com/image/635175589/			? Newspaper story only viewable through subscription	? Unknown
United States Submarine Operations in World War II			? Unable to access and assess	? Unknown
http://www.lisbonmaru.com/	Page is to support sale of a book	Page is a blog	Can't see him mentioned anywhere	✘ No
Results of U.S. Submarine War Patrols	U.S. Navy publication		? Unable to access and assess, presumably just a listing	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

I will never understand, if I write down information that isn't cited you would complain. So I cite the information I am adding and now I am being accused of "ref-bombing." I am only adding sources that support the material in the article. True not all of them lend to his notability, but they do lend to facts in the article. You only seem to be satisfied if the article is on the path to deletion, and don't really care about creating an encyclopaedia. McGregor in just about every book I have about the submarines in the Pacific Theatre, he is notable if you recognise it or not. Jamesallain85 (talk) 19:03, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I can understand why this article was listed for discussion in the first place, but I am taking the time to develop the article. Still being the target of Mztourist, I am not surprised he is trying to discredit every source regardless if it is from online or from my personal library, but I would also like to remind everyone that a physical source or source requiring a subscription should not be discredited just because Mztourist cannot evaluate it. I will take time to develope the article further, I have a lot more information still to add. Jamesallain85 (talk) 14:05, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps if you bothered creating detailed pages with reliable sources from the outset rather than a lot of minimally-referenced stubs as you have done they wouldn't be put up for deletion. All you have done with your massive refbombing is add a lot of snippets and side detail about submarines patrols rather than offer any indepth coverage about him. If he was actually notable there should be indepth coverage of him, but there clearly isn't. Mztourist (talk) 03:04, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If you wish I can start AFDing your minimally referenced stubs, there are plenty of them. You should take the time to fix your own articles before pointing your finger at someone else. It's funny, every time I AFD one of your articles you sit around and scream foul while AFDing everything else under the sun. I literally AFDed an article you wrote without a single source, remember? You just sat around screaming it was out of revenge, yet here we are again. You might want to read over WP:MILMOS#FLAGS before you reference it, and if you so strongly believe they shouldn't be in the info box, why are they in just about every biographical article you have written? WP:MILMOS#FLAGS states, "When dealing with biographical infobox templates, the most common practice is to use flag icons to indicate allegiance or branch of service, but not place of birth or death. " Jamesallain85 (talk) 00:37, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Clearly enough material to meet WP:GNG and I think three Silver Stars also meet WP:ANYBIO #1. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:31, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::I will never understand, if I write down information that isn't cited you would complain. So I cite the information I am adding and now I am being accused of "ref-bombing." I am only adding sources that support the material in the article. True not all of them lend to his notability, but they do lend to facts in the article. You only seem to be satisfied if the article is on the path to deletion, and don't really care about creating an encyclopaedia. McGregor in just about every book I have about the submarines in the Pacific Theatre, he is notable if you recognise it or not. [[User:Jamesallain85|Jamesallain85]] ([[User talk:Jamesallain85|talk]]) 19:03, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
 *'''Keep''' I can understand why this article was listed for discussion in the first place, but I am taking the time to develop the article. Still being the target of Mztourist, I am not surprised he is trying to discredit every source regardless if it is from online or from my personal library, but I would also like to remind everyone that a physical source or source requiring a subscription should not be discredited just because Mztourist cannot evaluate it. I will take time to develope the article further, I have a lot more information still to add. [[User:Jamesallain85|Jamesallain85]] ([[User talk:Jamesallain85|talk]]) 14:05, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
 ::Perhaps if you bothered creating detailed pages with reliable sources from the outset rather than a lot of minimally-referenced stubs as you have done they wouldn't be put up for deletion. All you have done with your massive refbombing is add a lot of snippets and side detail about submarines patrols rather than offer any indepth coverage about him. If he was actually notable there should be indepth coverage of him, but there clearly isn't. [[User:Mztourist|Mztourist]] ([[User talk:Mztourist|talk]]) 03:04, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
+:::If you wish I can start AFDing your minimally referenced stubs, there are plenty of them. You should take the time to fix your own articles before pointing your finger at someone else. It's funny, every time I AFD one of your articles you sit around and scream foul while AFDing everything else under the sun. I literally AFDed an article you wrote without a single source, remember? You just sat around screaming it was out of revenge, yet here we are again. You might want to read over [[WP:MILMOS#FLAGS]] before you reference it, and if you so strongly believe they shouldn't be in the info box, why are they in just about every biographical article you have written? WP:MILMOS#FLAGS states, "When dealing with biographical infobox templates, the most common practice is to use flag icons to indicate allegiance or branch of service, but not place of birth or death. " [[User:Jamesallain85|Jamesallain85]] ([[User talk:Jamesallain85|talk]]) 00:37, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 *'''Keep'''. Clearly enough material to meet [[WP:GNG]] and I think three Silver Stars also meet [[WP:ANYBIO]] #1. -- [[User:Necrothesp|Necrothesp]] ([[User talk:Necrothesp|talk]]) 15:31, 6 December 2021 (UTC)