Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vijayant Thapar

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The standard practice for taking account of military awards has very firm consensus. A number of articles of similar figures were given as evidence that this should be kept all, but it is rather evidence that those other articles need to be looked at. DGG ( talk ) 22:55, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Vijayant Thapar

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Fails WP:SOLDIER. The award Vir Chakra is not India's highest gallantry award. It falls third in the order of precedence and the person is not awarded the award multiple times. So it fails all the criteria mentioned under the notability guidelines of military people. KCVelaga _{☚╣✉╠☛} 13:13, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:55, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:55, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

• Strong Keep: WP:SOLDIER is a incomplete essay not a policy. Read WP:MILNG (advice page) again! The individual is presumed to be notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple verifiable independent, reliable sources. This easily passes WP:GNG. The officer was posthumously awarded Vir Chakra, India's third highest military gallantry award, for their acts of bravery during the Kargil War [1]. The Individual has received significant coverage in multiple verifiable independent, reliable sources [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10]. Documentary on YouTube by IBN [11]. Google books [12], [13]. The events of Battle of Tololing was adapted as one of the prominent battle scenes in the Hindi, war film LOC Kargil in which actor Amar Upadhyay portrayed the role of Capt. Vijayant Thapar. Also, note that Wikipedia has similar articles on his fellow soldiers (awarded with Vir Chakra, Maha Vir Chakra respectively) from the same or related battles during the Kargil War such as Ramakrishnan Vishwanathan, Neikezhakuo Kenguruse, Padmapani Acharya, etc. --ArghyaIndian (talk) 13:18, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
  
  
• Delete: Junior officer awarded a single third-level decoration. Clearly fails WP:SOLDIER, which is an accepted standard for military biographers on Wikipedia, even if only an essay. In the modern world almost all medal recipients are covered in the media; that doesn't mean they're all notable. We have deleted many others with just as much coverage. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:38, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
  
  

Comment: No a incomplete essay cannot be applied everywhere especially to Indian related articles since in India, there are three wartime gallantry awards (Param Vir Chakra, Maha Vir Chakra, Vir Chakra) first highest, second & third respectively. These gallantry awards are always awarded to soldiers for their acts of bravery in warzone. Not a single soldier (AFAIK) in India have ever awarded a wartime gallantry award more then once."Captain ranked officer awarded with a wartime gallantry award, vast coverage in media, and RS" easily passes [[Wikipedia:Notabili­ty]Vir Chakra is a (third highest) Wartime gallantry award and we have wiki articles on Thapar's fellow soldier (awarded with Vir Chakra, Maha Vir Chakra respectively). --ArghyaIndian (talk) 18:29, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

@ArghyaIndian: There are several soldiers who have been awarded the wartime gallantry awards multiple times. Examples- Colonel Chewang Rinchen, General Arun Shridhar Vaidya, Colonel Neelakantan Jayachandran Nair, Major Rajiv Kumar Joon KCVelaga _{☚╣✉╠☛} 01:39, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

@KC Velaga FYKI, Sena medal is not a wartime gallantry award. Only PVC, MVC, VC are wartime gallantry awards and no soldier of the Indian Armed force have been awarded a wartime gallantry award more then once to date. --ArghyaIndian (talk) 07:35, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

@ArghyaIndian:, I know very well that PVC, MVC, VC are the three and only wartime gallantry awards of India. There are many instances in the history that an award (one of PVC, MVC, VC) have been awarded multiple times or two different awards awarded. Please see the examples I have mentioned in the previous comment. Colonel Chewang Rinchen: His awards are MVC(Bar) and SM - Bar means that he has been awarded MVC twice once in 1948 and the next one in 1971. General Arun Shridhar Vaidya: His awards are MVC(Bar) and AVSM - Fist MVC in 1965 and the next in 1971. Wing Commander Jag Mohan Nath: One in 1962 and the next one in 1965. Please see Maha_Vir_Chakra#History for several other examples of multiple time recipients of the gallantry awards. KCVelaga _{☚╣✉╠☛} 08:45, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

• Delete: the article appears to contain significant amounts of original research, as flagged by the reliance on image references, which indicates to me that WP:SIGCOV isn't met. No disrespect to the subject, who was no doubt a fine example of a subaltern, but ultimately I'm not seeing how this subject meets our notability guidelines. While very admirable from a professional point of view, it is not notable in a Wikipedia sense. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 07:13, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

• Respond: AustralianRupert the article surely contains original research and is not written in an enclycopedic tone. However, deleting such useful articles won't benefit to the enclycopedia. The best thing is to improve it and editors like me are willing to improve these articles. Given that we have large amount of sources, some of them I have presented in my first comment. Taking them into consideration, this easily passes GNG. The subject is indeed notable because of the fact that he was awarded a "wartime gallantry award" and has received significant coverage in multiple verifiable independent, reliable sources. --ArghyaIndian (talk) 15:53, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

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