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* [[:Category:Parma Calcio 1913 presidents]] to [[:Category:Parma Calcio 1913 chairmen]] - C2D, the word Presidente C.D.A. means chairman of BoD, not the corporate title president (and matching the parent cat in Italy) [[User:Matthew_hk|<span style="color:yellow; background-color:black;">Matthew_hk</span>]] [[User talk:Matthew_hk|''<font color="Blue">t</font>'']][[Special:Contributions/Matthew_hk|''<font color="red">c</font>'']] 19:26, 13 April 2017 (UTC) |
* [[:Category:Parma Calcio 1913 presidents]] to [[:Category:Parma Calcio 1913 chairmen]] - C2D, the word Presidente C.D.A. means chairman of BoD, not the corporate title president (and matching the parent cat in Italy) [[User:Matthew_hk|<span style="color:yellow; background-color:black;">Matthew_hk</span>]] [[User talk:Matthew_hk|''<font color="Blue">t</font>'']][[Special:Contributions/Matthew_hk|''<font color="red">c</font>'']] 19:26, 13 April 2017 (UTC) |
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**{{ping|Matthew_hk}} C2D does not fit your proposal. The parent is [[:Category:Italian football chairmen and investors]] within [[:Category:Association football chairmen and investors]], so IMHO the only option for a speedy rename would be [[:Category:Parma Calcio 1913 chairmen and investors]] under C2C. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<font color="#FF0000">L</font>'''ondon]] 00:26, 14 April 2017 (UTC) |
**{{ping|Matthew_hk}} C2D does not fit your proposal. The parent is [[:Category:Italian football chairmen and investors]] within [[:Category:Association football chairmen and investors]], so IMHO the only option for a speedy rename would be [[:Category:Parma Calcio 1913 chairmen and investors]] under C2C. – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<font color="#FF0000">L</font>'''ondon]] 00:26, 14 April 2017 (UTC) |
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**:Then went to that proposal (C2C), as some sole owner of the club was not chairman. [[User:Matthew_hk|<span style="color:yellow; background-color:black;">Matthew_hk</span>]] [[User talk:Matthew_hk|''<font color="Blue">t</font>'']][[Special:Contributions/Matthew_hk|''<font color="red">c</font>'']] 00:38, 14 April 2017 (UTC) |
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**: '''Oppose''' Doesn't fit any of the speedy criteria. [[User:Armbrust|Armbrust]] <sup>[[User talk:Armbrust|<font color="#E3A857">The</font> <font color="#008000">Homunculus</font>]]</sup> 18:51, 15 April 2017 (UTC) |
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Current nominations
- Category:Marshals of the Sejm (Galicia and Lodomeria) to Category:Marshals of the Diet of Galicia and Lodomeria - C2C per Category:Members of the Diet of Galicia and Lodomeria and C2D per Diet of Galicia and Lodomeria. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:16, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Bank identifier codes to Category:Bank codes - C2C per Bank code. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:51, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- Category:A.C. Chievo Verona to Category:A.C. ChievoVerona over redirect – C2D per A.C. ChievoVerona. Article was moved after an RM in 2013 with almost no participation, and has been moved back after discussion at Talk:A.C. ChievoVerona. – Fayenatic London 19:16, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Church of England churches in Haringey to Category:Church of England churches in the London Borough of Haringey - C2C per Category:London Borough of Haringey & per this CfD nomination which changed the upper categories. This and the following sibling categories may have been omitted from recent group nominations on the grounds that the categories are populated via a template, but the template has been updated to use the new names once the categories exist. – Fayenatic London 16:38, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Church of England churches in Havering to Category:Church of England churches in the London Borough of Havering
- Category:Church of England churches in Enfield to Category:Church of England churches in the London Borough of Enfield
- Category:Church of England churches in Islington to Category:Church of England churches in the London Borough of Islington
- Category:Church of England churches in Newham to Category:Church of England churches in the London Borough of Newham
- Category:Church of England churches in Redbridge to Category:Church of England churches in the London Borough of Redbridge
- Category:Church of England churches in Tower Hamlets to Category:Church of England churches in the London Borough of Tower Hamlets
- Category:Church of England churches in Waltham Forest to Category:Church of England churches in the London Borough of Waltham Forest
- Note: after this, trim obsolete alternative coded in Template:Cofechurchcat. – Fayenatic London 17:22, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Academies in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Academies in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea – C2B/C2C per Category:Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea/Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea. – Fayenatic London 16:06, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Anglo-Catholic churches in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Anglo-Catholic churches in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Buildings and structures in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Buildings and structures in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Churches in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Churches in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Church of England churches in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Church of England churches in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Companies based in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Companies based in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Council elections in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Council elections in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Defunct schools in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Defunct schools in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Districts of Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Districts of the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Disused railway stations in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Disused railway stations in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Education in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Education in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Elections in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Elections in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Former buildings and structures in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Former buildings and structures in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Former houses in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Former houses in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Geography of Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Geography of the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Health in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Health in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:History of Kensington and Chelsea to Category:History of the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Houses in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Houses in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Listed buildings in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Listed buildings in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Media and communications in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Media and communications in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Museums in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Museums in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Parks and open spaces in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Parks and open spaces in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:People from Kensington and Chelsea (London borough) to Category:People from the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Politics of Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Politics of the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Railway stations in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Railway stations in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Religion in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Religion in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Roman Catholic churches in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Roman Catholic churches in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Royal residences in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Royal residences in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Schools in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Schools in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Community schools in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Community schools in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Independent schools in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Independent schools in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Primary schools in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Primary schools in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Secondary schools in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Secondary schools in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Skyscrapers in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Skyscrapers in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Squares in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Squares in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Streets in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Streets in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Sport in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Sport in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Tourist attractions in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Tourist attractions in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Libraries in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Libraries in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Theatres in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Theatres in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Transport in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Transport in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Tube stations in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Tube stations in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Councillors in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Councillors in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Grade I listed buildings in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Grade I listed buildings in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Grade II listed buildings in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Grade II listed buildings in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Category:Grade II* listed buildings in Kensington and Chelsea to Category:Grade II* listed buildings in the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea
- Comment The last four categories were not tagged until now. Armbrust The Homunculus 18:25, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
- Category:East India Company civil servants to Category:British East India Company civil servants - C2C per Category:People associated with the British East India Company. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:25, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Buildings and structures in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Buildings and structures in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham - C2C per Category:London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
& per this CfD nomination which changed the upper categories. – Fayenatic London 14:54, 14 April 2017 (UTC)- Category:Academies in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Academies in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Churches in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Churches in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Church of England churches in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Church of England churches in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Community schools in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Community schools in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Council elections in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Council elections in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Councillors in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Councillors in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Defunct schools in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Defunct schools in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Districts of Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Districts of the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Disused railway stations in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Disused railway stations in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Education in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Education in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Elections in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Elections in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Footballers from Hammersmith and Fulham (London borough) to Category:Footballers from the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Former buildings and structures in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Former buildings and structures in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Foundation schools in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Foundation schools in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Geography of Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Geography of the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Grade I listed buildings in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Grade I listed buildings in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Grade II listed buildings in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Grade II listed buildings in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Grade II* listed buildings in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Grade II* listed buildings in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Health in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Health in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:History of Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:History of the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Houses in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Houses in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Independent schools in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Independent schools in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Listed buildings in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Listed buildings in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Media and communications in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Media and communications in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Museums in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Museums in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Nature reserves in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Nature reserves in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Parks and open spaces in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Parks and open spaces in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:People from Hammersmith and Fulham (London borough) to Category:People from the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Politics of Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Politics of the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Primary schools in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Primary schools in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Pubs in the London Borough of Hammersmith & Fulham to Category:Pubs in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Railway stations in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Railway stations in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Religion in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Religion in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Roman Catholic churches in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Roman Catholic churches in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Schools in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Schools in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Secondary schools in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Secondary schools in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Special schools in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Special schools in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Skyscrapers in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Skyscrapers in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Squares in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Squares in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Streets in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Streets in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Theatres in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Theatres in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Tourist attractions in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Tourist attractions in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Transport in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Transport in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Tube stations in Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Tube stations in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- Category:Wards of Hammersmith and Fulham to Category:Wards of the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
- @Fayenatic london: Comment I'm not going to opposed this (because it fits criteria C2B per London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham/Category:London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham), but the CFD you mention explicitly excludes double-named boroughs (like Hammersmith and Fulham). Armbrust The Homunculus 15:06, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks, @Armbrust:. I had overlooked that detail, and have retracted that part of the nomination. I concur that C2B now also applies. – Fayenatic London 15:14, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: Comment I'm not going to opposed this (because it fits criteria C2B per London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham/Category:London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham), but the CFD you mention explicitly excludes double-named boroughs (like Hammersmith and Fulham). Armbrust The Homunculus 15:06, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Clean up categories to Category:Clean-up categories – C2A: this is not about "up" categories that are clean, "clean-up" is a compound modifier. I hope I can add all sub-categories here before the 48 hours expire – maybe with a little help? Or should we transfer this to the regular (un-speedy) cfd? Some template may need to be changed in the process. HandsomeFella (talk) 13:56, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Russian Empire–Ottoman Empire relations to Category:Ottoman Empire–Russian Empire relations – C2A: per alphabetical convention of Category:Bilateral relations Tim! (talk) 06:54, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Church of England churches in London by region to Category:Church of England churches in London by borough – C2C per Category:Churches in London by borough. – Fayenatic London 00:18, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- Note: Implement this by editing Template:Cofechurchcat. – Fayenatic London 17:22, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Parma F.C. players to Category:Parma Calcio 1913 players – C2D Matthew_hk tc 19:26, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Parma Calcio 1913 presidents to Category:Parma Calcio 1913 chairmen - C2D, the word Presidente C.D.A. means chairman of BoD, not the corporate title president (and matching the parent cat in Italy) Matthew_hk tc 19:26, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Matthew hk: C2D does not fit your proposal. The parent is Category:Italian football chairmen and investors within Category:Association football chairmen and investors, so IMHO the only option for a speedy rename would be Category:Parma Calcio 1913 chairmen and investors under C2C. – Fayenatic London 00:26, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- Then went to that proposal (C2C), as some sole owner of the club was not chairman. Matthew_hk tc 00:38, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose Doesn't fit any of the speedy criteria. Armbrust The Homunculus 18:51, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Matthew hk: C2D does not fit your proposal. The parent is Category:Italian football chairmen and investors within Category:Association football chairmen and investors, so IMHO the only option for a speedy rename would be Category:Parma Calcio 1913 chairmen and investors under C2C. – Fayenatic London 00:26, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Opposed nominations
- Category:Mario to Category:Mario (franchise) – C2D: per Mario (franchise). Armbrust The Homunculus 14:59, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Mario Universe games to Category:Mario (franchise) games
- Category:Mario characters to Category:Mario (franchise) characters
- Category:Mario enemies to Category:Mario (franchise) enemies
- Category:Mario media to Category:Mario (franchise) media
- Category:Works based on Mario to Category:Works based on Mario (franchise)
- Category:Animated series based on Mario to Category:Animated series based on Mario (franchise)
- Category:Unofficial works based on Mario to Category:Unofficial works based on Mario (franchise)
- Please open a CFD and notify WPVG. I think "Mario franchise" might turn out preferable. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 15:37, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Armbrust: I'm treating this as formally opposed. – Fayenatic London 00:28, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- Please open a CFD and notify WPVG. I think "Mario franchise" might turn out preferable. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 15:37, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Parliamentary constituencies in England to Category:Westminster Parliamentary constituencies in England – C2C: per convention of Category:Constituencies of the Parliament of the United Kingdom. The sibling categories for the other constituent countries of the United Kingdom all use the "Westminster" prefix, to distinguish them both from the historic and devolved parliaments/assemblies (which don't exist in England), and from the European Parliament constituencies, which do exist in England: see Category:European Parliament constituencies in England. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:14, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose, would make far more sense t use "United Kingdom Parliamentary constituencies...", as there is a United Kingdom Parliament, and there isn't, except very casually, a Westminster Parliament. Indeed "Westminster Parliamentary" implies the system exported around the world, rather than the specific one that at the moment sits in the City of Westminster. DuncanHill (talk) 18:00, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose. "United Kingdom Parliamentary constituencies" is more often used in subcategories of Category:Constituencies of the Parliament of the United Kingdom than is "Westminster Parliamentary constituencies". Ham II (talk) 19:44, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Hackney Members of Parliament to Category:London Borough of Hackney Members of Parliament - C2C per Category:London Borough of Hackney & per this CfD nomination which changed the upper categories. Timrollpickering 12:02, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- This one should probably be Category:Members of the Parliament of the United Kingdom for constituencies in Hackney, C2C following a few others in Category:Members of the Parliament of the United Kingdom for English constituencies. – Fayenatic London 12:59, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- There aren't currently any other London Borough categories in there so it's not clear which to follow. The category is definitely using the current London Borough boundaries and thus includes MPs who sat for Shoreditch seats prior to 1965. Timrollpickering 13:42, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose. I think this one needs a full discussion. I am not persuaded that it's a good idea to categorise MPs by local govt area ... and if kept, we need to consider various options for how to name it. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:04, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- There aren't currently any other London Borough categories in there so it's not clear which to follow. The category is definitely using the current London Borough boundaries and thus includes MPs who sat for Shoreditch seats prior to 1965. Timrollpickering 13:42, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- This one should probably be Category:Members of the Parliament of the United Kingdom for constituencies in Hackney, C2C following a few others in Category:Members of the Parliament of the United Kingdom for English constituencies. – Fayenatic London 12:59, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Andhra Pradesh MLAs 1978–83 to Category:Andhra Pradesh MLAs 1978–1983 – C2A per MOS:DATERANGE. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:35, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
- Questions @Armbrust:
- There are probably a few thousand subcats of Category:Legislators by term. Does the nom intend to propose changing all of them, or just India?
- The RFC which changed the MOS permits that
d exceptions can apply with a strong local consensus
. Is there is any pressing reason not to leave these as an exception? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs)
- India for now, but the others will follow too (down the road). Armbrust The Homunculus 15:16, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Armbrust: That's Q1, but you missed Q2: what exactly is the point of this change? As @Le Deluge notes, space is at a premium here, so why change thousands of a categs to a more verbose format, when an exception is permitted and most of the articles they contain appear in more than one of these categs? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:43, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
- India for now, but the others will follow too (down the road). Armbrust The Homunculus 15:16, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose as below - MOS:DATERANGE makes no reference to categories, whilst the RfD that changed it says that yy dates can be used "when space is at a premium, such as in tables or infoboxes" - as per recent CfDs on British MP categories I'd argue that the category section of an article qualifies. And then there's the inconsitency for bots and templates thing - either do them all or none at all.Le Deluge (talk) 23:29, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
- Questions @Armbrust:
- Category:Lawyers in Saskatchewan to Category:Lawyers from Saskatchewan – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 19:18, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Lawyers in Quebec to Category:Lawyers from Quebec – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 19:17, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Lawyers in Prince Edward Island to Category:Lawyers from Prince Edward Island – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 19:17, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Lawyers in Ontario to Category:Lawyers from Ontario – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 19:16, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Lawyers in Nova Scotia to Category:Lawyers from Nova Scotia – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 19:15, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Lawyers in Newfoundland and Labrador to Category:Lawyers from Newfoundland and Labrador – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 19:15, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Lawyers in New Brunswick to Category:Lawyers from New Brunswick – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 19:14, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Lawyers in Manitoba to Category:Lawyers from Manitoba – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 19:14, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Lawyers in British Columbia to Category:Lawyers from British Columbia – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 19:13, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Lawyers in Alberta to Category:Lawyers from Alberta – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 19:12, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose lawyers nominations. The categories make it clear that these lawyers are either a member of the local law society or practice in the province (they are not necessarily from there). Armbrust The Homunculus 23:39, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- The same is true of all the other lawyer categories. Though most of the Canadian lawyers were clearly also from the areas. We could change all the categories to be "in", but there are a lot more of them. Rathfelder (talk) 13:47, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Jharkhand MLAs 2000-2005 to Category:Jharkhand MLAs 2000–05 – C2A: use endash. Also C2C use YYYY–YY per convention of Category:State legislators of Indian States by term. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:08, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose as proposed abbreviating the last year to two digits goes against MOS:DATERANGE. Armbrust The Homunculus 23:13, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Armbrust:. I am aware that MOS:DATERANGE has changed. However, all the other Indian MLA categories still use the old YYYY–YY format, and this move fixes one part of the problem and at least achieves consistency within the group. I don't have the energy to nominate all the hundreds of other Indian MLA categories, so unless you are willing to do that, then the only effect of you oppose is to block consistency. How does making the best the enemy of the good help? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:50, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
- Comment: Sports years eg Category:2015–16 in British rugby union use the YYYY-YY format for northern hemisphere winter sports etc and should be regarded as the standard format for sports years. A recent nifty template using this format displays past and future seasons. I was not aware of MOS:DATERANGE and do not see the YYYY-YYYY format as an improvement. Hugo999 (talk) 22:59, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Hugo999: If you read MOS:DATERANGE, than you can see that the YYYY-YY format still can be used for consecutive years if reliable sources use that. Armbrust The Homunculus 03:03, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Armbrust: As usual my position is that consistency and predictability is paramount for categories - it makes life so much easier for bots and template coders. Which in turn makes life much easier for everybody, even if they don't realise it. As the author of the aforementioned {{navseasoncats}}, I'd say about 40% of the coding time and 70% of the testing time was spent on handling one exception - what happens around the millennium. Now that's an exception you can't really avoid and so it was worth the effort in dealing with it - but adding exceptions just to make things look pretty creates work for the sake of it, and the result will be fewer, less effective templates for working with categories. Having nnnn-nn for 1-year seasons and nnnn-nnnn for 5-year "seasons" is an exception for the sake of it. I'd also note that neither MOS:DATERANGE nor the original RfC make any reference to categories, but I'd argue that when the RfC summary says "when space is at a premium, such as in tables or infoboxes, two year date styles may be used" that also applies to the cat list at the bottom of articles - qv recent discussions about MPs of British Parliamentary terms. I'd also suggest that MOS:DATEVAR applied to categories is essentially an argument for C2C as per BHG's original proposal.
Whilst I'm here - for those that hadn't noticed {{navseasoncats}} has had a major update, so it now works with single years and decades as well as 1-year seasons, and the year can be anywhere in the category's name. I'm also planning to add centuries, intervals etc - see |my userpage for the current roadmap.Le Deluge (talk) 16:15, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Armbrust: As usual my position is that consistency and predictability is paramount for categories - it makes life so much easier for bots and template coders. Which in turn makes life much easier for everybody, even if they don't realise it. As the author of the aforementioned {{navseasoncats}}, I'd say about 40% of the coding time and 70% of the testing time was spent on handling one exception - what happens around the millennium. Now that's an exception you can't really avoid and so it was worth the effort in dealing with it - but adding exceptions just to make things look pretty creates work for the sake of it, and the result will be fewer, less effective templates for working with categories. Having nnnn-nn for 1-year seasons and nnnn-nnnn for 5-year "seasons" is an exception for the sake of it. I'd also note that neither MOS:DATERANGE nor the original RfC make any reference to categories, but I'd argue that when the RfC summary says "when space is at a premium, such as in tables or infoboxes, two year date styles may be used" that also applies to the cat list at the bottom of articles - qv recent discussions about MPs of British Parliamentary terms. I'd also suggest that MOS:DATEVAR applied to categories is essentially an argument for C2C as per BHG's original proposal.
- @Hugo999: If you read MOS:DATERANGE, than you can see that the YYYY-YY format still can be used for consecutive years if reliable sources use that. Armbrust The Homunculus 03:03, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose as proposed abbreviating the last year to two digits goes against MOS:DATERANGE. Armbrust The Homunculus 23:13, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Bombay State MLAs 1957-60 to Category:Bombay State MLAs 1957–60 – C2A: use endash. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:05, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose as proposed The last year should be expanded to four digits per MOS:DATERANGE. Armbrust The Homunculus 23:29, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Armbrust:. I am aware that MOS:DATERANGE has changed. However, all the other Indian MLA categories still use the old YYYY–YY format, and this move fixes one part of the problem and at least achieves consistency within the group. I don't have the energy to nominate all the hundreds of other Indian MLA categories, so unless you are willing to do that, then the only effect of you oppose is to block consistency. How does making the best the enemy of the good help? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:50, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose as proposed The last year should be expanded to four digits per MOS:DATERANGE. Armbrust The Homunculus 23:29, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Arunachal Pradesh MLAs 2014-19 to Category:Arunachal Pradesh MLAs 2014–19 – C2A: use endash. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:04, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose as proposed The last year should be expanded to four digits per MOS:DATERANGE. Armbrust The Homunculus 23:29, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Armbrust:. I am aware that MOS:DATERANGE has changed. However, all the other Indian MLA categories still use the old YYYY–YY format, and this move fixes one part of the problem and at least achieves consistency within the group. I don't have the energy to nominate all the hundreds of other Indian MLA categories, so unless you are willing to do that, then the only effect of you oppose is to block consistency. How does making the best the enemy of the good help? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:50, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Armbrust: Please can you have another look at this one? I really cannot see how anything useful is achieved by leaving this with a hyphen rather than endash, and it in no way prejudices a wider change of all the Indian MLA categories to the YYYY-YYYY format if you or anyone else wants to propose that wider change. Please can you clarify why you oppose changing a hyphen to an endash? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:31, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: I have nominated the other categories that use the old YYYY–YY format for speedy renaming above. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:38, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Armbrust: I really don't like this way of doing things. Whatever your intent, it seems to me that in effect you are blocking the implementation of the existing convention as a hostage for your desired wider change. I don't see any valid reason for you not to let the existing convention be upheld, without prejudice to a wider discussion on your preferred new convention. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:50, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: I have nominated the other categories that use the old YYYY–YY format for speedy renaming above. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:38, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Armbrust: Please can you have another look at this one? I really cannot see how anything useful is achieved by leaving this with a hyphen rather than endash, and it in no way prejudices a wider change of all the Indian MLA categories to the YYYY-YYYY format if you or anyone else wants to propose that wider change. Please can you clarify why you oppose changing a hyphen to an endash? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:31, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Armbrust:. I am aware that MOS:DATERANGE has changed. However, all the other Indian MLA categories still use the old YYYY–YY format, and this move fixes one part of the problem and at least achieves consistency within the group. I don't have the energy to nominate all the hundreds of other Indian MLA categories, so unless you are willing to do that, then the only effect of you oppose is to block consistency. How does making the best the enemy of the good help? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:50, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose as proposed The last year should be expanded to four digits per MOS:DATERANGE. Armbrust The Homunculus 23:29, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Bihar MLAs 2000-04 to Category:Bihar MLAs 2000–04 – C2A: use endash BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:56, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Bihar MLAs 1952-57 to Category:Bihar MLAs 1952–57
- Category:Bihar MLAs 1957-62 to Category:Bihar MLAs 1957–62
- Category:Bihar MLAs 1962-67 to Category:Bihar MLAs 1962–67
- Category:Bihar MLAs 1967-69 to Category:Bihar MLAs 1967–69
- Category:Bihar MLAs 1969-72 to Category:Bihar MLAs 1969–72
- Category:Bihar MLAs 1972-77 to Category:Bihar MLAs 1972–77
- Category:Bihar MLAs 1977-80 to Category:Bihar MLAs 1977–80
- Category:Bihar MLAs 1980-85 to Category:Bihar MLAs 1980–85
- Category:Bihar MLAs 1985-90 to Category:Bihar MLAs 1985–90
- Category:Bihar MLAs 1990-95 to Category:Bihar MLAs 1990–95
- Category:Bihar MLAs 1995-2000 to Category:Bihar MLAs 1995–2000
- Oppose as proposed The last year should be expanded to four digits per MOS:DATERANGE. Armbrust The Homunculus 23:29, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Armbrust:. I am aware that MOS:DATERANGE has changed. However, all the other Indian MLA categories still use the old YYYY–YY format, and this move fixes one part of the problem and at least achieves consistency within the group. I don't have the energy to nominate all the hundreds of other Indian MLA categories, so unless you are willing to do that, then the only effect of you oppose is to block consistency. How does making the best the enemy of the good help? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:50, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Benedictine nunneries in England to Category:Benedictine monasteries of nuns in England – C2C: Completing misplaced 2014 request by @Daniel the Monk: — Train2104 (t • c) 21:26, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Benedictine nunneries in Austria to Category:Benedictine monasteries of nuns in Austria – C2C: Completing misplaced 2014 request by @Daniel the Monk: — Train2104 (t • c) 21:26, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Benedictine nunneries in Germany to Category:Benedictine monasteries of nuns in Germany – C2C: Completing misplaced 2014 request by @Daniel the Monk: — Train2104 (t • c) 21:26, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy for the above three. There is no clear convention in Category:Benedictine monasteries of nuns for the proposed format. Armbrust The Homunculus 04:54, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Train2104: It seems that Armbrust forgot to ping you, but these have been opposed, so they need either a full CFD discussion (see WP:CFD), or to be withdrawn. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:28, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
- I am merely procedurally completing incomplete nominations, I'll withdraw absent comment from User:Daniel the Monk (who hasn't been active in a few months) — Train2104 (t • c) 17:09, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Train2104, BrownHairedGirl, and Armbrust: I'd have thought that WP:COMMONNAME is overwhelmingly "nunnery" rather than "monastery of nuns" so unless there's a really good technical reason not to go with the WP:COMMONNAME then that's the way I'd go.Le Deluge (talk) 16:19, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Le Deluge: I agree that it looks like a good idea, but I don't see a speedy criterion to support that. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:08, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
- Personally I'd go for C2C-influenced-by-WP:COMMONNAME, but if someone wants to CfD it....Le Deluge (talk) 18:23, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
- Support reverse speedy renaming of all per C2C to "nunnery" not "monasteries of nuns" as "Nunneries" is used in the parent category Category:Nunneries by country. Shakespear wrote "Get thee to a nunnery" (Hamlet) not "Get thee to a monastery of nuns". Hugo999 (talk) 00:57, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Train2104, BrownHairedGirl, and Armbrust: I'd have thought that WP:COMMONNAME is overwhelmingly "nunnery" rather than "monastery of nuns" so unless there's a really good technical reason not to go with the WP:COMMONNAME then that's the way I'd go.Le Deluge (talk) 16:19, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
- I am merely procedurally completing incomplete nominations, I'll withdraw absent comment from User:Daniel the Monk (who hasn't been active in a few months) — Train2104 (t • c) 17:09, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Train2104: It seems that Armbrust forgot to ping you, but these have been opposed, so they need either a full CFD discussion (see WP:CFD), or to be withdrawn. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:28, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy for the above three. There is no clear convention in Category:Benedictine monasteries of nuns for the proposed format. Armbrust The Homunculus 04:54, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion
- Category:Withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union to Category:Brexit – C2D per Brexit. Brandmeistertalk 09:39, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy: 1. Ambiguity, per Brexit (disambiguation), particularly with the referendum. 2. There is a current discussion on the future of the Brexit article at Talk:Brexit#Need_to_split_this_article. Might be better to wait for the outcome of that discussion.--Mhockey (talk) 20:19, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Roman Catholic organizations by century of establishment to Category:Catholic organizations by century of establishment – C2D per Category:Catholic organizations, Category:Catholic Church and article Catholic Church. I realize there is still more to be renamed than the below but let's just give it a start. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:18, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Roman Catholic congregations by century of establishment to Category:Catholic congregations by century of establishment
- Category:Roman Catholic dioceses by century of establishment to Category:Catholic dioceses by century of establishment
- Category:Roman Catholic institutes by century of establishment to Category:Catholic institutes by century of establishment
- Category:Roman Catholic orders by century of establishment to Category:Catholic orders by century of establishment
- Category:Roman Catholic organizations established in the 16th century to Category:Catholic organizations established in the 16th century
- Category:Roman Catholic organizations established in the 17th century to Category:Catholic organizations established in the 17th century
- Category:Roman Catholic organizations established in the 18th century to Category:Catholic organizations established in the 18th century
- Category:Roman Catholic organizations established in the 19th century to Category:Catholic organizations established in the 19th century
- Category:Roman Catholic organizations established in the 20th century to Category:Catholic organizations established in the 20th century
- Category:Roman Catholic organizations established in the 21st century to Category:Catholic organizations established in the 21st century
- Oppose, because this creates ambiguity. The Oct 2016 CFD was flawed, because the nominator failed to even mention the previous discussions, and the closer made no mention of taking them into account. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:31, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
- Top category nominated at CFD, see here. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:47, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
- I closed that discussion as rename the top one for now, but hold others for a month pending proposed RfC, following inconclusive DRV. – Fayenatic London 21:09, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose, because this creates ambiguity. The Oct 2016 CFD was flawed, because the nominator failed to even mention the previous discussions, and the closer made no mention of taking them into account. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:31, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
- Sorry, this page was rather technincal, but there is another relevant set of subcategories (religonal and other devisions) listed under this category that should equally be renamed: Category:History of the Catholic Church. Feel free to edit this request according to any technical standards. Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:16, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- What's more, Category:Catholicism has a rather complicated tree of categories that could likely be extensive merged with the category tree of Category:Catholic Church. Some of the content of Category:Catholicism could be moved to Category:Independent Catholicism, Category:Old Catholicism, etc. When that is done, the need of a merge as previously mentioned would be even more evident. Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:19, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Chicbyaccident: Although some categories have been renamed after a fairly recent discussion, other editors still feel that the decision was misguided, so we are not rolling it out to all the hierarchy yet. BrownHairedGirl has said she will post a "Request for Comment" to seek a broader consensus. – Fayenatic London 13:25, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I'm not really sure what that is supposed to mean. Does User:BrownHairedGirl have a veto in this? Chicbyaccident (talk) 16:39, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Chicbyaccident it just means that there is no clear broad consensus on this issue. So until consensus established through an RFC, there are no grounds for a sppedy renaming. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:46, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I'm not really sure what that is supposed to mean. Does User:BrownHairedGirl have a veto in this? Chicbyaccident (talk) 16:39, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Chicbyaccident: Although some categories have been renamed after a fairly recent discussion, other editors still feel that the decision was misguided, so we are not rolling it out to all the hierarchy yet. BrownHairedGirl has said she will post a "Request for Comment" to seek a broader consensus. – Fayenatic London 13:25, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Moved to full discussion
- Category:Association football people by country to Category:Association football people by nationality – C2C: per the convention in Category:Sportspeople by sport and nationality. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:25, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose. @Armbrust this is a container for categories of footballers in a country, who may not be of that nationality. See the similar distinction between Category:Association football players by country and Category:Association football players by nationality. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:35, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: In that case, however, it shouldn't be in Category:Sportspeople by sport and nationality at all. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:51, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
- @Armbrust: you may be right about that, and if so, then some juggling of parent categories may be required.
However, the underlying question is that since this all arises from a desire not to put expatriate footballers in Fooland under a "Fooish people" category, hoe far up the tree do we pursue the distinction? I am far from sure that it is a good idea to retain this distinction in the category system, because I don't think that our general intermixing of people-by-nationality with people-by-place supports it. For example, an American expatriate artist in Paris may be there for all their notable career, possibly many decades, so it would be folly not to categorise them under Category:People from Paris .... but that places them under Category:French people. I see no problem with that, but the sports categories are based on the assumption that such fuzziness doesn't exist. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:01, 28 February 2017 (UTC)- @Armbrust: This is a can of worms that is way too complex for a speedy. @BrownHairedGirl: I think the sports categories don't assume that kind of fuzziness doesn't exist, it's more that it's very common for footballers in particular to move around the globe, often on an annual basis - but for a very short time, maybe 6-8 years at the peak of their careers. So they don't get entrenched in the way that your artist would, so they don't identify as "French" - but at the same time, their two most defining characteristics at any one time are the team they are playing for and their international team (which is defined more strictly than citizenship - you can have two passports but only one football nationality). And for many footballers from smaller countries like say Ryan Giggs, they are defined more by the club than their country as they win many more trophies with their club than country. So personally I'd let sleeping dogs lie.... Le Deluge (talk) 18:23, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Armbrust: you may be right about that, and if so, then some juggling of parent categories may be required.
- @BrownHairedGirl: In that case, however, it shouldn't be in Category:Sportspeople by sport and nationality at all. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:51, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose. @Armbrust this is a container for categories of footballers in a country, who may not be of that nationality. See the similar distinction between Category:Association football players by country and Category:Association football players by nationality. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:35, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Apostolic nuncios to Category:Apostolic Nuncios – C2C: every subcategory uses upper-case for "Nuncios". Armbrust The Homunculus 15:42, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose, probably I don't know the niceties of papal procedure, but I would guess that this is one of those cases where titles are capitalised but the collective noun is not. Qv The Queen of England being one of a number of queens, or Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother being categorised in Category:Queen mothers. Le Deluge (talk) 19:13, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Secretaries of Warwickshire CCC to Category:Secretaries of Warwickshire County Cricket Club – C2C: naming convention per other entries Jack | talk page 11:10, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Presidents of Yorkshire CCC to Category:Presidents of Yorkshire County Cricket Club – C2C: convention per other entries Jack | talk page 11:09, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Presidents of Kent CCC to Category:Presidents of Kent County Cricket Club – C2C: name in full is convention Jack | talk page 11:08, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Secretaries of Middlesex CCC to Category:Secretaries of Middlesex County Cricket Club – C2C: convention is name in full Jack | talk page 11:07, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Presidents of Surrey CCC to Category:Presidents of Surrey County Cricket Club – C2C: convention Jack | talk page 11:06, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Presidents of Middlesex CCC to Category:Presidents of Middlesex County Cricket Club – C2C: Category was created in 2005. Since then, it has become the convention to name cricket clubs in full and "CCC" is deprecated Jack | talk page 11:03, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Jack: I oppose speedy for these CCC categories. Renaming maybe a good idea, but it isn't C2C, because the convention of Category:Cricket administrators by role is "CCC". --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:24, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
- Hello, @BHG. Yes, but my point is that the admin by role category has been set up in contradiction to convention used throughout the rest of WP:CRIC. Please see Category:English first-class cricket teams in particular. Thanks. Jack | talk page 16:03, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Jack the second level subcats of Category:English first-class cricket teams seem to mostly use some form of abbreviation. For example, Category:Essex County Cricket Club has a subcat Category:Essex cricket captains, rather than Category:Essex County Cricket Club.
I am not saying that your proposal is a bad idea (I am neutral on that so far), just that it doesn't fit WP:C2C, which requires an existing convention. So it needs a full discussion at WP:CFD. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:41, 1 April 2017 (UTC) - Hello again, @BHG. Okay, wrong process. I'll take it to the dreaded CfD (one step removed from the dreaded lurgi). All the best. Jack | talk page 18:27, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
- These are now listed at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 April 1. Jack: the category pages needed to be tagged again; I've done that for you. – Fayenatic London 08:10, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Jack the second level subcats of Category:English first-class cricket teams seem to mostly use some form of abbreviation. For example, Category:Essex County Cricket Club has a subcat Category:Essex cricket captains, rather than Category:Essex County Cricket Club.
- Category:Syracuse Orange baseball to Category:Syracuse Orangemen baseball – C2D; Syracuse University athletic teams were known as "Orangemen" at the time of the baseball program discontinuation, in 1972 Jweiss11 (talk) 20:58, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Syracuse Orange baseball coaches to Category:Syracuse Orangemen baseball coaches
- Category:Syracuse Orange baseball players to Category:Syracuse Orangemen baseball players
- Oppose speedy Only recently moved and without discussion, so C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:02, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
- Pinging nominator @Jweiss11, who @Armbrust forgot to notify.
Jweis11: this has been opposed, so it cannot proceed as a speedy. It needs to either be taken to a full CFD, or withdrawn. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:17, 19 March 2017 (UTC)- I have opened a full CFD here. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:08, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
- Pinging nominator @Jweiss11, who @Armbrust forgot to notify.
- Oppose speedy Only recently moved and without discussion, so C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:02, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
- Category:Perth City Link precinct to Category:Perth City Link – C2D: per Perth City Link. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:48, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
- Comment - Perth city link and its connotations in the media do not necessarily fit the 'Perth City Link' - they can be seen to be different JarrahTree 07:59, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
- Comment - It may be helpful if the {{cat explanation}} on Category:Perth City Link precinct explicitly and unambiguously stated the intended scope of the category, in particular whether it is the same as or different to the scope of the Perth City Link article. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:01, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
- Comment - the Project is that - a 'development project' , the 'precinct' is the land in/on which it is contained - I fail to see how the two are seen as synonymous to encourage this form of action. JarrahTree 09:17, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
- I fail to see how the project and the land are distinguishable in terms of providing content for the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:22, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
- Comment in that case maybe it needs to go somehwere else than speedy JarrahTree 15:03, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
- Moved to CFD. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:57, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
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