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Peter Dinklage

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Nominator(s): AffeL (talk) 15:14, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

This article is about actor Peter Dinklage, I have worked on this article for a while and I believe it meets the FA criteria. AffeL (talk) 15:14, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Comments from JC

Oppose - I'm just going to take a look at the "Personal life" section for now, to get a feel for the article. Comments, suggestions, and questions as I read along...

• Dinklage and Schmidt are expecting a second child. - Ideally, this would tell us when they announced that they were expecting a second child (or, failing that, "as of" the date of the source, so it's easy to tell whether this is up-to-date.)

Added when it was announced. - AffeL (talk) 10:51, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

• Dinklage face - grammar.

Fixed. - AffeL (talk) 10:51, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

• severely injured - "severely" seems like editorializing that isn't supported by the given source. I believe it's possible to sustain a large scar from an injury that falls short of "severe".

Removed "severely". - AffeL (talk) 10:51, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

• early 90's - per MOS:DECADE, present decades in four digits when identifying a period of time.

Done. - AffeL (talk) 10:51, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

• Is the scar notable at all? As far as I can tell, it hasn't really been discussed in-depth by any reliable sources, just the one interview and banal "x things you didn't know about Peter Dinklage" listicles. It just seems really trivial and out-of-place stuck at the end of a paragraph about his wife and family. If it is to stay, then you should explain how he became injured; just saying that he was in a band at the time doesn't answer any questions.

I have added how he got injured now, don't know if that's enough or if I should remove it all together? - AffeL (talk) 11:03, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

• Speaking of which, are there any reliable sources discussing his time in the band? If so, I think that should be fleshed out a bit and moved into "Early life".

Not that I know of. - AffeL (talk) 10:51, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

• he suggested that doubt is more needed than belief. - Really abstract and maybe not particularly important?

Removed. - AffeL (talk) 10:51, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

• Dinklage has a form of dwarfism, achondroplasia, which affects bone growth. As a result, he is 4 ft 5 in (1.35 m) tall, with a typical-sized head and torso but short limbs. - What is the source for this information? The next citation, the Today article, doesn't support any of that, and in fact lists Dinklage's height as 4'6" instead of 4'5".

Added source. - AffeL (talk) 10:51, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

• You say "Dinklage has come to accept his condition", but he is later quoted as saying in 2012, "I don't think I still am okay with it. There are days when I'm not." Has his attitude changed significantly since 2012 or is this a discrepancy?

Fixed. - AffeL (talk) 18:29, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

• Dinklage's wife suggested that he should say something, being that he is in a position to change the "way people look at people his size" - Say something about what? Was it his wife who suggested bringing attention to Martin Henderson?

Yes, Now fixed so it is more clear. - AffeL (talk) 10:51, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

• In general, the dwarfism quotes seem to ramble on without saying anything new or enlightening. I would try to boil it down to the most pertinent snippets and fit them into one paragraph. In When talking about his sense of responsibility to other people who share his condition: "The idea is to get to that level where you don't have to preach about it anymore." the quote doesn't make a lot of sense in relation to its introduction. It's also redundant given that we're already told his opinion on whether he saw himself as "a spokesman for the rights of little people" in the previous paragraph.

I removed the last quote. - AffeL (talk) 10:53, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Overall, I'm sorry to say that the section I've reviewed falls well short of FA standards. Aside from grammar and style errors, sourcing deficiencies, and unclear prose, the narrative about his dwarfism – an important part of his life, no doubt – is unfocused and underdeveloped. In fact, I believe the final paragraph may constitute plagiarism per our non-free content guidelines; the paragraph is composed almost entirely of material copied directly from one source. While quotations of non-free text are allowed, this probably falls under prohibited "extensive quotation of copyrighted text". On these grounds, I'm afraid I must oppose. Sorry, – Juliancolton | ^Talk 01:03, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

I have removed some redundant quotations and paraphrased others in that paragraph. Is that enough or should I trim it down a bit more? - AffeL (talk) 11:15, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Also another thing is that Dinklage happens to be a very private person, he does not do many interviews, go to any talk shows and so on. So not much is known about his personal life, making it hard to find different stuff to add for that section. - AffeL (talk) 11:22, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

@Juliancolton: I found this source(http://www.hypable.com/game-of-thrones-video-peter-dinklage-delivers-commencement-speech-at-bennington-college/). I know "Hypable.com" is not a reliable source, but this particular source has a video of Dinklage talking about him growing up. Can I use it or just the Youtube video as a source? - AffeL (talk) 11:06, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

I think it would depend on the information it's being used to verify. Even if the stories come straight from the man himself, they may well be exaggerated or embellished for the sake of an interesting commencement speech. I would personally prefer more rigorous sourcing, but perhaps there are some uncontroversial bits which can be gleamed from the speech (it would be nice to know what he got his degree in, for instance).

The section I reviewed looks a bit better, but I still believe there are too many irrelevant quotations. The first quote in the last paragraph is very difficult to parse, and contributes very little to our understanding of the subject's life. The bit about Martin Henderson seems to have been taken out of context, as you don't discuss any impact resulting from his being mentioned. this source says the speech brought attention to the act of dwarf-tossing, which is how Henderson became injured. On a similar note, this book seems like it might have some useful facts about Dinklage's upbringing and personal life. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 00:00, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

@Juliancolton: Added where he got his degree from and removed the first quote in the last paragraph, also added the impact of Henderson name being mentioned. Much of the other quotes has either been removed or re-written in my own words. - AffeL (talk) 17:24, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

@Juliancolton: How about now?, How does it look? I have removed some and paraphrased the many quotations in that section, all expect the last little quote in the second to last paragraph. - AffeL (talk) 11:06, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

@Juliancolton: I have addressed all of your comments and I have been told that un-actionable comments tend to be ignored by closing delegates. So is their anything else? - AffeL (talk) 10:47, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay. I've struck my oppose for now so as not to impede the nomination. I'll take another look at the article if time allows. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 14:42, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Comments by Mymis

• "in the 2019 Untitled Avengers film" -> capital letter not needed

Done. - AffeL (talk) 16:27, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

• Introduction could have two paragraphs instead of four.

Done. - AffeL (talk) 16:27, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

• "and appeared in NBC's 30 Rock." -> who did he play?

Added the name of the character he plays. - AffeL (talk) 16:27, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

• "Dinklage plays Tyrion Lannister in HBO's Game of Thrones, an ada.." -> The paragraph needs to have some sort of date included, for instance, when he was cast and when the show premiered, or at least the year when he started playing the character.

Added dates. - AffeL (talk) 16:27, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

• In the same section there is no indication how long he's been playing the character, how many seasons there are, or when is it gonna end etc. More background of the show is certainly needed, as GOT is the highlight of his career.

Added "as of 2011" in the beginning, also added how many seasons and when it will end. You said more background is needed, I already added his salary, casting information, awards won, reception, background on when the show started and will end, also added how many seasons the show will have. Should I add more or do you believe it's enough? - AffeL (talk) 16:27, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

• Reference formatting needs A LOT of work. Many missing dates, authors, publishers, wrong links (such as Telegraph), 26 November 2016 -> November 26, 2016, New York Times -> The New York Times, etc.

Mymis (talk) 12:24, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

@Mymis: I fixed those you mentioned and others, I'm quite sure I fixed all the missing dates, authors and so on. - AffeL (talk) 16:27, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

• It is still unclear what the show is even about. You could add one sentence about it, and how it links to his character. Also, " George R. R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire series." -> add genre (a series of epic fantasy novels), or/and add "drama" before the show's title.

Added sentence of what the show is about and his character, also added "fantasy drama" before the shows title. - AffeL (talk) 08:08, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

• "As of 2011, Dinklage plays Tyrion Lannist" -> "Since 2011, ...."

Done. - AffeL (talk) 08:08, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

• "the movie hade a modest commercial success with" -> "had". Also, there is no source to prove "modest commercial success". Just because it earned 200M, it does not mean it was commercially successful.

Fixed "hade" to "had". Also the movie earned $245 million, with a $88 million budget. That's an $157 million profit. - AffeL (talk) 08:08, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

• You need to add more timeframes in "Upcoming projects" section, for EVERY one of his upcoming role. "As of XXXX, ...", "In XXXX, ..." etc.

@Mymis: Added timeframes for all projects. - AffeL (talk) 08:08, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Mymis (talk) 00:09, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

@Mymis: Is their anything else? - AffeL (talk) 14:15, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

• The sentence "For this he won the Emmy.." in the second paragraph in the introduction could be reorganized in a less confusing way.

Changed it to ", which earned him the Emmy.." - AffeL (talk) 14:48, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

• The "Upcoming projects" need to copyedited, there are multiple grammar mistakes and repetitive phrasing.

Done. - AffeL (talk) 10:32, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

• "He is set to appear in Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri and Three Christs in 2017" -> Those seem to be quite decent films, and deserve more than just a mention, I think.

Will add more once we know more about those movies, not much to add now. - AffeL (talk) 10:32, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

• Also, why do you think that Emmys and the Globes are literally the only awards that are worth mentioning? He has won and been nominated for many other awards.

I added the Critics' Choice Television Award and the Screen Actors Guild Award. - AffeL (talk) 14:48, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Mymis (talk) 21:02, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

@Mymis: Is their anything else? - AffeL (talk) 10:32, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

@Mymis: Anything else? - AffeL (talk) 20:59, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

• Saying that Pixels is a commercial success is WP:OR. You must find a source describing its success. Just because it grossed more than its production costs does not mean anything, there is such thing as promotional costs and box-office rental perc. and stuff like that. I question it because the film is included in List of box office bombs.

Removed that it's a commercial success. - AffeL (talk) 20:33, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

• Sentence "Game of Thrones takes place on the fictional continents...", and the one after, could be put after the first sentence in the paragraph. I think it would flow nicer, now it seems a bit disorganized.

Done, moved up. - AffeL (talk) 20:33, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

• Sentence "The series was renewed for a seventh sea" poorly links to the previous sentence. Maybe add "The series proved to be a commercial success; it was renewed for...." or something.

Done. - AffeL (talk) 20:33, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

• Decide if IndieWire is in italics or not.

It's not, fixed all of them. - AffeL (talk) 20:33, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

• Who is Lynne Segall??

Have no idea, I removed it. - AffeL (talk) 20:33, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

• Boston Globe -> The Boston Globe

Done. - AffeL (talk) 20:33, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

• In 2010 he appeared in the.. -> Add comma

Added comma. - AffeL (talk) 20:33, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Mymis (talk) 14:31, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

@Mymis: All done. Anything else? - AffeL (talk) 20:33, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

• I am happy to support it now. Good luck with the nomination! Mymis (talk) 23:13, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Midnightblueowl

• "2017, Dinklage attended thousands at the Women's March demonstration " - "attended thousands"? This needs a bit of work. Midnightblueowl (talk) 21:25, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Changed to "Dinklage attended the..." - AffeL (talk) 21:23, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

• "he'd been thinking " - probably better as "he had been thinking". Midnightblueowl (talk) 21:25, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Done. - AffeL (talk) 21:23, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

• "Henderson is a person with dwarfism from England, who was badly injured for having dwarfism by " - this latter part needs to be reworded. Midnightblueowl (talk) 21:25, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Done. - AffeL (talk) 21:23, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

• " saying that 20 years ago he would not have turned down these offers, saying that".... "saying that... saying that". Bit repetitive. Needs rewording. Midnightblueowl (talk) 21:25, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Done. - AffeL (talk) 21:23, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

• The lede feels a little cluttered. I would consider a restructuring, perhaps splitting it into three paragraphs. I would mention that Dinklage has achondroplasia nearer to the beginning. Not because I think it needs to be over-emphasized, but because it just seems a bit out-of-place right at the end. Midnightblueowl (talk) 21:32, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

@Midnightblueowl: I did split it into three paragraphs and moved the "Dinklage has achondroplasia" sentance at the end of the first paragraph. - AffeL (talk) 21:23, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

That looks like an improvement, although I have rejigged things a little further. Midnightblueowl (talk) 21:51, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

• "Since 2011, Dinklage has portrayed Tyrion Lannister in the HBO series Game of Thrones, which earned him the Emmy for Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Drama Series in 2011, and a Golden Globe for Best Supporting Actor – Series, Miniseries or Television Film in 2012, as well as receiving consecutive Emmy nominations from 2011 to 2016, and going on to win a second for Outstanding Supporting Actor Emmy in 2015." This is a very lengthy sentence; I would trim it in two. Midnightblueowl (talk) 21:51, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

I trimmed it a bit. - AffeL (talk) 10:29, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

• "prep school" - "preparatory school"? Midnightblueowl (talk) 21:51, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Changed it "preparatory school". - AffeL (talk) 10:29, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

• The lede claims that Dinklage was "Born and raised in" Morristown, but the main body then claims that, although born in Morristown, he grew up in Brookside. Midnightblueowl (talk) 21:51, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Changed the lead. - AffeL (talk) 10:29, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

• "where he played alongside Steve Buscemi" - I think that this could be reworded.; perhaps "performed" rather than "played". Midnightblueowl (talk) 21:57, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Done. - AffeL (talk) 10:29, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

• "Even after the critical success of Living in Oblivion, Dinklage still couldn’t find someone willing to be his agent. After a recommendation from Buscemi to the director Alexandre Rockwell, Dinklage was cast in the comedy 13 Moons (2002).[" - First, change "couldn't" to "could not". Second, the two sentences are quite distinct in content; are they both cited to the same reference? If so, I would repeat that reference at the end of both sentences. Midnightblueowl (talk) 21:57, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

They are and I fixed it. - AffeL (talk) 10:29, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

• "Oldman's role of a person with dwarfism" - "role as a person"? Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:00, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Done. - AffeL (talk) 10:29, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

• "attached to star in O Lucky Day"? Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:07, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

I added "American comedy" before the film title "O Lucky Day". - AffeL (talk) 10:29, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

• "Since 2011, Dinklage plays" - "Since 2011, Dinklage has played". Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:28, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Done. - AffeL (talk) 10:29, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

• "belongs to Dinklage"[59]". Full stop needed. Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:28, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Done. - AffeL (talk) 10:29, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

• "2015, Dinklage reprise " - "reprised". Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:28, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Done. - AffeL (talk) 10:29, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

• "singing a brand new song called " - "singing a new song called" would suffice. Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:28, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Done. - AffeL (talk) 10:29, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

• "the most successful Finnish film of all time." - "of all time" feels a little melodramatic. How about "to date"? Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:28, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Done. - AffeL (talk) 10:29, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

• "the independent film Rememory failed" - comma needed after film name. Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:28, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Done. - AffeL (talk) 10:29, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

• " $349.8 million[84], only" - the comma must go before the reference here. Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:29, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Done. - AffeL (talk) 10:29, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

• "post apocalyptic" - "post-apocalyptic". Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:09, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Done. - AffeL (talk) 10:29, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

• "Dinklage described himself as a lapsed Catholic in 2008" - This could be read as meaning that he was a lapsed Catholic in 2008 but not in other years. I would rearrange this as "In 2008, Dinklage described himself as a lapsed Catholic." Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:11, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Fixed. - AffeL (talk) 10:29, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

• It might be worth briefly adding that he is an animal rights activist and has spoken out on little people issues to the lede. Perhaps just a short sentence at the end of that third paragraph. Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:17, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Added in the lead. - AffeL (talk) 10:45, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

• "Henderson is a person with dwarfism from England, who was badly injured by being tossed by a rugby fan in a bar, the speech brought media and public attention to the act of dwarf-tossing with Henderson's name being trended worldwide on social media" - the latter half of that sentence does not really flow on from the earlier half very neatly. Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:19, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Fixed. - AffeL (talk) 10:45, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

• Can we get any additional images or anything like that? Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:00, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

• There are some good options here. Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:30, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

@Midnightblueowl: Added another image. - AffeL (talk) 10:29, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

• Support this article as a FA. Good work, AffeL. Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:29, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Support Comments from Moisejp

I've read through twice and made several edits, and it all mostly looks very good. I just have a couple of minor comments:

• "Being his first voiceover role, Dinklage prepared himself by making sure to rest his voice before the recording sessions, adding that he likes doing new roles that he has not done before." In the last clause in this sentence, "adding that" doesn't really work.

Changed it up. - AffeL (talk) 10:25, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

• I reworked it some more. I should have maybe clarified before that what had bothered me with the sentence was that the last clause implied "Dinklage said that" while the first part didn't. Moisejp (talk) 13:22, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

• At least a couple of jobs of his characters are wiki-linked. I noticed "wedding planner" and "reporter", didn't notice if there were others. The wiki-link for "Reporter" at least seems unnecessary, "wedding planner" possibly too. But I didn't edit these in case it was part of a larger consistency thing. Moisejp (talk) 05:13, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

@Moisejp: All done. - AffeL (talk) 10:25, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Great, I'm happy to support now. The article is well-written, comprehensive, and focused. Moisejp (talk) 13:22, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Comments from Hijiri88

I'm neutral on whether the article should be promoted as is, but it's worth noting that when nominated the article (including the lead) contained a very dubious unsourced claim about Dinklage's career choices.[1][2] The original nominator (whose talk page I have on my watchlist) has a history of questionable sourcing issues, and pushing articles with said issues through the GA process; it wouldn't surprise me if, once one scratched beneath the surface, this FA-nominated article revealed similar problems. The only reason I'm not outright opposing this promotion is that the user in question actually has made fairly negligible contributions to this article, so if the article has severe verifiability problems, that is a fault of the system rather than a procedural factor I think should cause the FAC to be autofailed. That said, the only reason it doesn't include a bunch of coatrack-y links to sources that have no relation to the article text (a pet peeve of mine, FWIW) is because I happened to notice them.[3] Someone really should take a look to make sure the article still doesn't contain any more unsourced/potentially-contentious BLP claims and borderline-OR. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:28, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Extended content

Just so you know an un-actionable comments tend to be ignored by closing delegates. If their is a problem somewhere in the article, you can tell me what and I will fix it. Those tags you said I removed, I removed those and then fixed the issues you mentioned just minutes or so later. So is their anything else? Cause you following me around is the most childish thing I have seen during my time on Wikipedia. - AffeL (talk) 16:09, 14 June 2017 (UTC) And if any one have time do to a source review. That would be great. - AffeL (talk) 16:09, 14 June 2017 (UTC) You understand, that I don't need to find a specific problem with this or that specific article to point out that a very large proportion of your edits have such problems. If you were some random contributor to the page, that would be one thing, but you nominated this page. Your recent behaviour on List of highest paid American television stars -- or, heck on Peter Dinklage; or on Kit Harrington, or on Davos Seaworth, or on Draft:Game of Thrones (season 8) -- is evidence enough that you don't understand proper sourcing, and so your judgement regarding this article's sourcing should be taken as iffy at best. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 20:48, 14 June 2017 (UTC) So is their anything in this specific article that you want me to fix? - AffeL (talk) 07:28, 15 June 2017 (UTC) Believe me, I don't want you fixing any articles after what I've seen you doing with the "turns down stereotypical roles" mess, among others. You need to wrap your head around Wikipedia policies/guidelines and how to properly read sources. Someone should do a thorough source-check on this article before it is promoted, but I'm increasingly skeptical of proper sourcing being a prerequisite for FA-status. Very few editors seem to understand that "AGF" doesn't mean "assume an article's sources are all fine". Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:08, 15 June 2017 (UTC) That's why i'm asking for a source review. If their is anything wrong, I will find a way to improve it. I have checked the sources and all that, I have been working on this page for hours and checked almost all the sources one by one, sometimes I may miss something. But I am trying to, as I said improv the article as best as possibly. Also I know about the policies/guidelines btw. - AffeL (talk) 11:15, 15 June 2017 (UTC) I know about the [edit warring policy] btw Your recent behaviour on List of highest paid American television stars says otherwise, but that's kind of off-topic. I am sure if I found a serious issue with something in this article, that you disagreed with me on, you would edit-war at me here as well. But I'd rather not start an edit war just to make a point, and I have better things to do with my Thursday evening than read through the article to find something over which for you to edit-war with me. Like sleep. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:46, 15 June 2017 (UTC) That has nothing to do with this article and is completly of topic. If you do find a issue with this article, I will make sure to work hard and fix what ever the issue may be. - AffeL (talk) 12:08, 15 June 2017 (UTC) Making an off-topic comment and then criticizing others for responding to said off-topic comment is highly inappropriate. Cut it out. I raised a legitimate concern that the nominator of this FAC has a history of sourcing problems, including recently in this article since nominating it, and you responded by engaging in off-topic commentary about how you totally don't have these issues. I happened to randomly stumble across an unsourced claim about the subject's professional choices less than a week ago. It's entirely possible that more dubious unsourced BLP claims are still there. If the community is comfortable with this in an FA, so be it. I'm done here. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:19, 15 June 2017 (UTC) Why are you so rude. I understand that you and I have our differences. But it is only by working togheter that we can make improvments on this and other articles. - AffeL (talk) 12:40, 15 June 2017 (UTC) Call me rude if you want. As far as I am concerned, I just don't want articles with clear sourcing issues being promoted to FA status. The reason I am not opposing this FAC is because I don't know the article has verifiability issues -- I just think there's a fair probability. Pointing this out is not off-topic for an FAC. Whether your subsequent commentary and my responses thereto were off-topic for an FAC or "rude" is immaterial. Indeed, calling me "rude" for saying any of this is about as off-topic as one can get. Collapse everything after my first comment if you like. Don't blank it, move it to a separate page, make it invisible, or collapse my responses but not yours, though. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 22:40, 15 June 2017 (UTC) An un-actionable comments tend to be ignored by closing delegates. I need to know what problems you have with the article, so I know what it is I should do, what I should change. As far as I know, I have checked all the sources more than twice and everything is in order. - AffeL (talk) 22:52, 15 June 2017 (UTC) I TOLD you not to attempt to hide my initial comment because I KNEW you would try to do what you did last time (on the Kit Harington GA review page) and what your spiritual predecessor did to me multiple times. If you think your comments and my responses to said comments are "off-topic", then you can collapse them. You do not have permission to hide comments that I specifically told you NOT to collapse. Do NOT revert my uncollapsing of my initial comment above, or I will report you for disruptive editing and request that you be blocked. Your opinion that you have checked all the sources and they verify all the content in the article and are adequately reliable is nice, but it is just your opinion, and as demonstrated your opinion that the article is adequately sourced is not worth much, since your reading of sources has proven to be questionable at best. You thought that the sources in the article before last week verified the claim that the subject rejects stereotypical dwarf roles, and you also thought that the sources you added after I tagged this material as unsourced verified it. Either you hadn't read those sources and added them to the article anyway, or you read them and misunderstood them. Either way, someone else should probably check the sources, or else this article being promoted to FA would be solely the result of one user claiming that it is fully sourced, which is not how it normally works. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:08, 16 June 2017 (UTC)