Wikipedia talk:File upload wizard

Possible suggestion

Given that for a new editor, this will likely be the first page they hit if they are considering uploading an image (it's the most obvious link being on the left toolbar), I wonder if we should have a textbox that would be present on reaching this page (before starting the submission process) that briefly says what they will be expected to provide, pointing to WP:NFC and possibly to WP:CONCENT, and any other appropriate links. Not so much to explain all of image policy here but to give them pointers to where to read more if they need to. It should not be big - maybe a lead para and a few list links but that's it, but just enough that the reader can understand the process before they start the remaining submission process. --MASEM (t) 14:54, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

User:Charles Matthew Griego posted this comment on 17 June 2013 (view all feedback).

why is this a crummy upload wizard instead of the "dead-link" with deletion reason?

In other words, why do file redlinks not show the deletion log? Any thoughts?

Hoof Hearted (talk) 12:26, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

@Hoof Hearted: and @This, that and the other: Any examples you know of? Examples always help us understand what we're talking about. :)

I'm guessing that it might refer to a redlink that didn't show a deletion log, because the file was originally on commons:?

I.e. How do we arrive at the wizard, via a redlink? Clicking File:CBB-layout-problem.gif shows me the deletion log... Or what other action led to this complaint? –Quiddity (talk) 17:52, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure what file Egglamk was looking for, but I ran across this issue in an older version of Fran Hauser. Based on another feedback notice that implied the picture was there before. Note that the issue has since been fixed, but (assuming the file was indeed deleted) shouldn't the redlink have taken me to the deletion log?

And actually, no, clicking File:CBB-layout-problem.gif does not take me to the deletion log. Perhaps it's a preference setting for my account? Hoof Hearted (talk) 18:22, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Oh! Me neither, from this page. But if I click the same link at the top of Wikipedia talk:Community portal/Archive 10, then it takes me to the double-red-box page. Maybe Image: works differently than File: ?

Gah, the software seems to autocorrect "Image: -> File:" when I hit preview or save, so I can't even provide a demonstration link here.

That is annoying. I'll see  if I can find a bug report, or similar comments elsewhere.

A Test with preceding colons: Image:CBB-layout-problem.gif and File:CBB-layout-problem.gif. - Yup, that's the trick. Hmmm. I'm not sure how we'd "fix" that, as different people will want different actions in different circumstances... –Quiddity (talk) 19:12, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, it's not easily fixable, it's a "bug-that's-been-declared-a-feature" in Mediawiki, and it's quite annoying. Apparently the developers still think that the normal desired action on the part of a user coming across an image redlink should be to upload a file for that redlink. In about 99% of all cases, that is in fact very much not what we want users to do, because the existence of a (non-coloned) image redlink almost always signifies that an image was deleted (usually, one would presume, for some good reason), so what we actually want users to do is to go to the deletion log to see what happened to it. The software is programmed to direct all clicks on such redlinks to whatever is the default local upload form. What makes matters worse is that in doing so, it sends the name of the intended file upload in the form of a "&destFileName=" url parameter, which the upload form has no way of actually picking up, so even the intended functionality of triggering an upload of a new file for that redlinked filename won't work. (Note that the latter problem is not exclusively a problem of this upload wizard; it was the same with the custom upload forms we had earlier.)

If I remember correctly, this was brought up at Bugzilla at some point, but the developers refused to do anything about it. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:37, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Yep, that is exactly what I was trying to do. Guess I'll try a colon trick in the future. Thanks both of you for the help. Hoof Hearted (talk) 20:10, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

I found bugzilla:6909. If you would go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload?wpDestFile=CBB-layout-problem.gif rather than https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:File_Upload_Wizard?wpDestFile=CBB-layout-problem.gif, you get the deletion log. Can we either add the deletion log for the wpDestFile to Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard, or make Special:Upload the default destination for image redlinks? Pseudonymous Rex (talk) 22:14, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Wizard not working

The wizard appears not to be working. The "Upload" button remains "greyed out" even after all the relevant information has been submitted. Can someone help? Mooretwin (talk) 11:24, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello? Mooretwin (talk) 21:50, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

@Mooretwin: Sorry for the delay. Not everyone checks their watchlists daily, or has time (or expertise) to answer every question! (Most people avoid posting "Sorry, I don't know" type responses, and just stay silent.)

I tried uploading a file, and the upload button stopped being greyed-out, once I fixed the final parameter it was complaining about or asking for. Therefor, I cannot replicate your problem myself, without further information.

Can you remember (and re-attempt) which options you were using? We just need to know which options were in-play, not the specific details you were answering each with.

(A Text description is probably sufficient, but if you feel screenshots would help, then imgur.com is an easy/free/no-signup image host). –Quiddity (talk) 22:53, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Did you fill out every field with a red asterisk? Did you click in another field after filling out the last field? What is your browser? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:58, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, folks. I've retried to upload the image and the problem remains. There follows a precise explanation of what I did:

• Step 1 - uploaded image from my own PC
• Step 2 - entered text to describe the file and provide brief description of the contents
• Step 3 - checked the box "This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use"; entered text to say which article the file will be used in; checked the box "This is a logo of an organisation"; selected "Logo of a company, organization, etc"; checked the box "This image will be shown as a primary means ..."; entered text to explain how use of the file will be minimal; selected "none" for special source and license conditions; entered text ("n/a") for any further relevant information.

The "Upload" button remains "greyed out". Mooretwin (talk) 12:58, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

@Mooretwin: You missed the "Source:" field, just above "primary means". Once I entered text there, the upload button became clickable. ;) –Quiddity (talk) 17:17, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks - seems to be working now. Mooretwin (talk) 23:23, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

I am also not able to upload a file using the wizard. I've filled in all the boxes properly and the upload box is still gray. I have tried using two different browsers. Aviation geek (talk) 16:54, 5 July 2013‎ (UTC)

Hi Aviation geek. As above, if you could describe the steps that you filled in, we can either diagnose the bug (if there is one) or help detect the section that was missed - there are a lot of required-sections! Look up-and-down the page for the red *s, to make sure none were overlooked. HTH. –Quiddity (talk) 18:02, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Same thing for me. I have entered:

• Step 1

• file

• Step 2

• descriptive name
• brief description

• Step 3

• free work
• entirely my own work
• date
• license

There are no other asterisks indicating required fields, but I also filled in some more fields.

Underneath, there are three buttons with text "Yes...", "No...", and "Reset...". On the first and last one, there is no label, and on the middle one, there is a grey label "Upload". I can only click the reset button; the others are inactive. Doubaer (talk) 13:25, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Which text do you have at file and descriptive name? Have you clicked in another box after filling out all boxes with a red asterisk? What is your browser? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:03, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

ditto

Firefox on Kubuntu, Firefox freezes and crashes YamaPlos talk 15:06, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Reader feedback: Filled in form correctly. It...

Interceptor7 posted this comment on 15 June 2013 (view all feedback).

Filled in form correctly. It doesn't upload.

Any thoughts?

I tried too it doesn't upload :( Dianasweetiegina (talk) 02:49, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

@Dianasweetiegina: Does the "upload" button remain greyed-out (unclickable), as in the thread just above? (If so, you're probably missing one of the required fields.)

If it's a different problem, please try to describe which part it breaks at. Thanks. –Quiddity (talk) 01:16, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

3 proposed edits from Elvey

I propose this edit: s/most US state and local agencies/[[Copyright status of work by U.S. subnational governments|most US state and local agencies]]/

because linking thusly: most US state and local agencies is informative.

I propose this edit: s/any file you found somewhere, even if you have good reason to believe its owner would not mind us using it, but you don't have an explicit licensing statement from the copyright owner./any file you found somewhere, even if you have good reason to believe it has a copyright owner who would not mind us using it, but you don't have an explicit licensing statement from them./ Reason for change: Let's try to avoid contradiction; we CAN use, e.g. public domain files, even WITHOUT an explicit licensing statement from the owner.

I propose this edit: s/any file that is licensed for use exclusively on Wikipedia, or is free except that is excludes commercial purposes./any file that is licensed for use exclusively on Wikipedia, or is free except that the free license excludes commercial use./ Reason for change: Fix grammar error; refine.--Elvey (talk) 00:37, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

 Done. Thanks for the updates! — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 11:32, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Reader feedback: I have completed all the req...

ElAsturiano posted this comment on 25 June 2013 (view all feedback).

I have completed all the required fields and the upload button will not become active AND nothing tells me what am I missing or doing wrong. I am viewing this page on chrome on a MBP 15" retina.

Any thoughts?

Be sure you have selected a photo from your computer for transfer. GeorgeLouis (talk) 04:40, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Reader feedback: Why you give me to upload wh...

I marked the following feedback (details) as useful:

A reader posted: "Why you give me to upload when I cant (account not confirmed)< I spent 5 min to give dfetails about a photo"

because it appears wikipedia does indeed display an upload form with three steps even if the user account is unconfirmed. I just tested with a new account named unconfirmedtest84user (no contributions). Here is what I saw (I bolded all the text):

Your account has not become confirmed yet.

Sorry, in order to upload files on the English Wikipedia, you need to have a confirmed account. Normally, your account will become confirmed automatically once you have made 10 edits and four days have passed since you created it.

You may already be able to upload files on the Wikimedia Commons, but you can't do it on the English Wikipedia just yet. You can still use this script to prepare an upload to Commons.

If you don't want to wait until you are autoconfirmed, you may ask somebody else to upload a file for you at Wikipedia:Files for upload. Or you might ask an administrator to make your account confirmed manually at Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Confirmed.

This was followed by the three upload steps.

The feedback seems valid, why are we displaying a form which appears functional when the user is unconfirmed? Some users could easily skip past the lengthy verbiage at the top and just start filling in the image details. Also, the text "You can still use this script to prepare an upload to Commons." could mislead the user into thinking they could continue anyway. It would appear better to just omit the three steps in this case. -84user (talk) 08:37, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Per the above discussion, we should not display the form unless users are confirmed. —Designate (talk) 22:42, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Okay, this should do it: [1][2]. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:43, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Origin of Charles Matthew Griego

Copied from commons:COM:VP:
Where does this empty stuff in certain uploads come from: < See sample removal. How can the addition to file description pages be avoided in future? --Leyo 08:55, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

But why should it be avoided? This seems to be useful in many cases. Ruslik (talk) 19:25, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Not if it is empty. --Leyo 16:55, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

That file was uploaded through en:Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard, so this is probably a discussion for en:Wikipedia talk:File Upload Wizard. —LX (talk, contribs) 10:33, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

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Looks like the script isn't checking for input strings that just consist of a space character. We should probably add a line of code somewhere that all input strings should be trim()'ed before they are assembled. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:10, 21 July 2013 (UTC)