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Finding the review button is hard

I think there should be a prominently place button which lets the person clicking it review a random article. It is not at all obvious how a person should find articles which need review.

Am I missing this button? Has it been proposed in the past to make this button easier to access? Blue Rasberry (talk) 22:05, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

You could put {{AFC button}} somewhere convenient, such as your user page. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 03:58, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Bluerasberry, this is just to say that I recently stuck a button on CAT:PEND that sends you to a random submission, since I also thought such a button was needed there. APerson (talk!) 12:53, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Proposal to alter default decline wording for test articles

Hi, currently, when we are declining edits as test, This submission seems to be a test edit and not an article worthy of an encyclopedia. Please use the sandbox for any tests in the future. Thank you. is displayed. However, I find that many people are submitting out of their sandbox like this and therefore it's weird to ask them to go and use the sandbox.

I propose that we reword this, to This submission seems to be a test edit and not an article worthy of an encyclopedia. Please use the sandbox for any tests in the future, but do not submit them. Or any other alternative wording...? I look forward to everyone's input. — kikichugirl ^oh hello! 20:33, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

While we're revising that comment, we could also include a reminder to only submit drafts that are ready for review. I was thinking of something along the lines of Please make sure that your draft is ready for review in the future. APerson (talk!) 04:06, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

It's not so much that they're not ready for review, its that they're not encyclopedia articles. What about Please use the sandbox for any editing tests, but do not submit your sandbox for review until you have an actual article that you want reviewed for inclusion in Wikipedia. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 19:39, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I think that is the way to go. — kikichugirl ^oh hello! 09:03, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Hopefully I'm using the right template, since I don't actually know where the decline template can be found as it's a mess of templates and I'm bad at template syntax, but... If there's no further objections, can we implement this? — kikichugirl ^oh hello! 23:52, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Wording updated. Note: "sandbox" is no longer linked - is this intentional? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:49, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

@MSGJ: No, I definitely think we want "sandbox" or "the sandbox" linked, as someone unfamiliar with Wikipedia or programming jargon would have no idea what we're talking about otherwise. The question is whether it should link to WP:Sandbox as it used to or to Special:Mypage/sandbox, but I guess in the interest of momentum it would be best to just restore the link as it was. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 14:48, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Okay,  Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:20, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Copyvio tool question

Hi. Here's a hopefully quick question. I use Earwig's Copyvio detector to check articles for violations. I've found it very helpful. However, occasionally, for whatever reason, it does not operate correctly (like today, it's given me 10 0% violations in a row - and it RARELY gives a 0%). Is there another tool that is as good? Thanks. Onel5969 (talk) 21:43, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

I have seen a warning about a problem with the database occasionally, so I suspect there is a recurring problem with the tool. Have you tried to contact User:Earwig about this? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:03, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Dodger67 - No, I haven't, since it really hasn't been a major issue. It was just a problem when I was making a concerted effort to help on the backlog, and any delay was costly. Next time it occurs, I'll let Earwig know. Onel5969 (talk) 20:26, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

It's The Earwig not Earwig. I have contacted him on IRC previously with this error and it appeared to be a memory glitch. He just needs to restart it when it happens. Just ping when it's happens again. (And no. This is the best tool ever. If you say something else, you're with the cabal!) (t) Josve05a (c) 15:28, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

G13

• Question: is the G13 bot still running? It's been a while since I received notification. And are accepted afcs now showing up on NPP? Are they showing up as reviewed or unreviewed? Are they indicated there as being derived from AfCs? I've been reviewing the ones from the latest burst, and I think we may have sometimes sacrificed quality for quantity, in both directions. DGG ( talk ) 04:59, 14 March 2015 (UTC) repeated DGG ( talk ) 19:14, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
  • DGG My time has been elsewhere. If you had pinged me, I could have responded to this sooner... Bot overall appears to be working as evidenced at Special:Contributions/HasteurBot. From what I can tell it looks like Task 1 (the perform the CSD:G13 nomination) is stuck again. Probably due to the known defect of unicode accented characters in the mysql database. When I arrive at my programming console I'll do a review and clean out the records that are preventing the nomination process from moving forward. Hasteur (talk) 19:39, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
  • DGG Yep, the nomination bot had 50 unicode accented characters stuck in the front. Nothing I can really do about that except manually review and move them out. Same problem with the Interested Notify process (which can be taken down by a single accented unicode character). Hasteur (talk) 11:56, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

RfC about Referencing tutorial

Pls see Help talk:Referencing for beginners#RfC: What method first -- Moxy (talk) 15:46, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

RFC: Stop adding User Talk pages to "Category:AfC submissions declined as..."?

See Template talk:Afc decline#RFC: Stop adding User Talk pages to "Category:AfC submissions declined as..."?. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 00:01, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

What the HECK????

Okay, there was a portal template draft here. I contacted the folks over at the portal group and asked them to take a look John of Reading was kind enough to respond. Unfortunately, I didn't take his instructions seriously enough, and did not request the move be made through WP:RM. You can see his response HERE. Instead, I simply hit accept on the draft. Here's the result: Portal:Tuvalu. I attempted to "undo" the acceptance, but it's still all screwed up. Can someone else fix it? The editor did a lot of hard work on this, and I hate to think I was the cause of undoing all that effort. Onel5969 (talk) 13:31, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

@Onel5969: The subpages didn't get moved over into article space by the tool. I moved them myself, but there are still a few (such as {{Tuvalu}}) that I couldn't find in draft space. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 14:45, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Ahecht - For the life of me, I could not figure it out. Since I mentioned John of Reading above, hopefully, he'll take a look and be able to correct the rest of the issues. Onel5969 (talk) 14:50, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Question from 176.252.177.220

There is still no article on the March 1st 2015 legislative and local elections in El Salvador - why not?176.252.177.220 (talk) 13:56, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

@176.252.177.220: Because no one has written one yet. You can either write it yourself at WP:WIZARD or request that someone else write one at WP:REQUEST. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 14:08, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Finding pending submissions by subject

How can I find pending AfC submissions, but subject (i.e. by the category they will end up in)? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:19, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Pigsonthewing

Step 0: Get support for some sort of categorization scheme in the templates (as we want template inhereted categories instead of explicit categories)

Step 1: Go through every pending submission and dump it into one or more of the category buckets

Step 2: ....

Step 3: PROFIT

This is a perenial suggestion/request but nobody wants to spend the time developing solving this problem so no activity gets done on it. Hasteur (talk) 18:11, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

As Hasteur points out, we can't identify submissions by subject unless someone does the work of classifying them. That time is probably better spend reviewing submissions. All is not lost though. How about control clicking on this a bunch of times

Find a random AfC submission

Close tabs you've opened until you find one that interests you. --Kvng (talk) 19:30, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

You could always modify the article wizard to add categories based on keywords the editors supplies in a keywords box. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 20:25, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Andy Mabbett, for some subjects it works well to use this custom search which only looks in draft space. By adding the words "Review waiting", you only find drafts which are up for review. For example, if you want to find submissions about politicians, try typing "review waiting politician" in the search box below. —Anne Delong (talk) 05:52, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

A solution, though a manual one, for this issue would be for an additional step to be added to the first review: "Add relevant WikiProject banners to the draft talk page with class=Draft parameter". This would help to sort those submissions that have been through the review sieve at least once. A more comprehensive process would be the equivalent of Stub sorting, replicate all the Stub categories and the associated template and icons, but replace "Stub" with "Draft". Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:53, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Roger (Dodger67), I seem to recall an earlier discussion about this, and there was a problem because most Wikiprojects hadn't implemented "draft" in some process or other, what it was I can't remember. Does anyone know exactly what the problem was, and if it has been fixed? —Anne Delong (talk) 14:57, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Yeah that would require some big collaboration to get the word spread between the 1,984 wikiprojects (not all active mind you) that exist. Also would it be added be the creator (a new/unregistered user) or the first reviewer? EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 15:23, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

@EoRdE6 most newbies will have no idea at all about WikiProject banners so the task would almost always fall to the first reviewer. Most WikiProjects already have an article rating system which includes a table that lists the numbers of pages by class. The active projects would notice the appearance of Draft-class pages on the list and the curious editors among them would click to see what it means. I think a mass posting of a message on all WikiProject Talk pages would be useful. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:21, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

(ec)@Anne Delong yes indeed, this issue is not new, however since we last raised it the "class=Draft" parameter has been rolled out to all WikiProjects by default, so we can and should now use it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:28, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

• Often when I'm reviewing I'll "skip" on drafts that I either don't feel skilled enough to review, or that I don't have the time/energy to do a quality review for at that time. I suspect I'm not alone in this, drafts in the "very old" lists are likely to have been seen by quite a few pairs of eyeballs.

Though I'm not sure about reviewing these, I'm sure I'd be capable of categorizing most into broad pots (especially if one of these was "companies"). If a straightforward categorization system could be implemented in the helper script, which would tie in the necessary Wikiprojects, I reckon we could find ourselves tapping into a lot of reviewer time that currently is wasted. In a sense we'd be creating a triage system, whereby straightforward passes and fails are done quickly (which kinda happens already), and the trickier cases are categorized rather than just languishing. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 14:49, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

• I would support a "Skip and Triage" function for AFCH as well. I run into a lot of articles about non-US topics where it is hard to me to judge the reliability of sources, so being able to use the tool to easily tag an article with something like {{WikiProject India}}, {{WikiProject Ancient Germanic studies}}, or {{Wikiproject Cricket}} would be helpful (not to mention articles that would get tagged under topics relating to the more esoteric parts of specialized fields such as {{WikiProject Neuroscience}} or {{WikiProject Mathematics}}). --Ahecht (TALK
  PAGE) 15:40, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject tagging is already a part of the Accept "subroutine" of the script - maybe it could be made available as a separate process, like "cleanup" currently is? I know nothing about scripts, so.... Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:56, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

• Pinging @Theopolisme and APerson. --Ahecht (TALK
  PAGE) 13:52, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

That's a cool idea. We've been making noise about shuffling around the buttons on the main menu, and this would definitely be a candidate for being on the "primary menu" (i.e. you don't have to click the << to show it). An idea I've been thinking about for a while is automating the process of sticking a notice on a WikiProject talk page about a draft and commenting on the draft with the notice; perhaps that could be somehow integrated.

Where would these WikiProject tags go on drafts? I feel like putting them on the talk pages would be a bad idea because reviewers just glancing at the draft wouldn't be able to see them. So putting them in a specialized comment - perhaps modifying {{Afc comment}} with a WikiProject tag-specific version - might be the way to go. APerson (talk!) 16:31, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

It's a perfectly standard WikiProject Banner {{WikiProject Whatever|class=Draft}} that goes on the talk page. A reviewer "just glancing" at a draft isn't interested in seeing that information anyway. The real purposes of WikiProject banners are for the project itself, the banner and its parameters create a number of categories which are used by the projects to sort and manage their articles. I'm opposed to adding even more AFC clutter to the top of drafts pages, one of the main arguments for creating Draft-space in the first place was to give each draft its own talk page, so we should use them. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:22, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

I hope the proposal is to put these banners on the Draft talk: page associated with the submission. This is where they would eventually need to go. They will not further clutter the submission there. --Kvng (talk) 16:55, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Draft talk: is the obvious place for Wikiproject banners. There could be some merit to a short {{AFC comment}} informing the submitter (who is probably unaware of the talk page), along the lines of "The subject matter of this draft is in the domain of WikiProject Z. Editors from that WikiProject may be able to help you prepare this submission". Getting new editors to talk to and potentially join WikiProjects would be good for editor retention, and should help foster collaboration on drafts. Alternatively such a notice could be delivered to draft authors' talk pages. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 17:30, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

I'll join the chorus saying that they'd go on Draft talk: like any other Wikiproject banner. I like the idea of adding adding an {{AFC comment}} as an option. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 22:17, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

user:178.132.216.139

FYI 178.132.216.139 (talk · contribs) has been deleting unprocessed requests off WP:AFC/R without closing or archiving them; I've reverted the deletions and issued a blanking warning. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 04:53, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

--Sdash095 (talk) 13:30, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Redirects from one-time fictional entities from TV series

Hello. Over at Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects a user has proposed several redirects for names of fictional products or one-shot characters featured in episodes of The Simpsons, proposing a redirect to the article about the episode in which they appear (for example Gorilla Man Scalp Blaster -> Simpson and Delilah). While I'm satisfied these titles aren't going to be needed for any real entities, this is very much in the domain of trivia, and these articles make at the very most only quick references to the subjects of these redirects, rather than discussing them in any detail. Do people think these are valid proposals? --LukeSurl ^{t c} 17:21, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

If they were created, it is unlikely they would be deleted at WP:RfD as the generally consensus is "redirects are cheap" and such redirects would do no harm. So, as long as the subject is mentioned in the target article the request would seem to be valid. Whether it's a worthwhile of of time is another question, but as far as redirect policy goes they are unlikely to be questioned. (The example isn't even mentioned in the article. IMO, it would be best to just decline them as a waste of time if others are similarly obscure.) --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:04, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

I will also note that there is no technical limitation preventing Pickuptha'Musket form creating them himself, so he too is wasting his time by requesting them at AfC/R. --ThaddeusB (talk) 19:08, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm of the opinion that these truly one shot passing mentions don't need a redirect. The google search lists more than enough to figure out the context and SimpsonsWiki has a stub article about the subject. Now if it's a recurring bit (i.e. KrustyBurger) I could see a redirect, but not as a in passing mention. Hasteur (talk) 19:13, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi! I will only delete one-time entities because I've learned they're not necessary. However, if any recur, are mentioned in a different episode or are reasonably popular, then they'll stay. Sorry if I bothered anyone. --Pickuptha'Musket (talk) 20:34, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

@Pickuptha'Musket: I'm sure no one was "bothered" - my point was that you are free to create the redirects yourself without using AfC... If a one-time character is central to the plot of a particular episode, that would be a very good reason to have a redirect. If something just happens to be in an episode but isn't a significant part of the plot, that would be a good reason to not have a redirect. Such a redirect won't be of any use since the searcher won't find any information on the subject at the target anyway. Hope that clears it up. --ThaddeusB (talk) 18:59, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

I need help with AFC helper script

I have been trying to work this out for 30 minutes. I checked to use helper script in my preferences and I cleared my browsers cache (Firefox). The next step says: To launch AFCH, click on the upside-down triangle icon in the toolbar on an AFC-applicable page and then on the Review (AFCH) link. There is no upside down triangle icon in the toolbar, so I am confused (and frustrated). Hopefully a patient Wikipedian can help me. Thank you. CookieMonster755 (talk) 05:56, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I got it to work~! Thank you Afc Wikiproject! CookieMonster755 (talk) 05:58, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

IRC Nick parameter for helpees causing confusion

Hi everyone, I'm an active helper on #wikipedia-en-help ^connect. Many helpees reach us from their declined and/or pending drafts. In my experience, there seems to be informal consensus among helpers to remove the "WPhelp" nick parameter. I noticed this first done by User:Logan on {{Helpmessage}} not long ago. I attempted to apply this change in a bold edit to another AFC template, but I was reverted by Technical 13. I and users such as User:PhantomTech believe that we should remove the parameter and make them choose their own usernames.

I perceive the following benefits:

1. Helpees with similar numbers would be able to easily tell themselves apart. We already have a problem with helpees thinking we are a private chat room. I have seen many helpees say "I can't tell my number apart from the other helpees unless I look closely."
2. Conversations in IRC would be easier to follow. Currently many of us use the autocomplete function but autocomplete the wrong helpee's nick, accidentally addressing our messages to the wrong person. This inevitably creates more confusion. If we don't use the autocomplete function, and carefully copy the nick every time, we often still make typos. When we make typos, it doesn't ping the helpee about the fact that there's a message addressed to them.
3. Ideally, helpees will choose a nick identical to their username, reducing the number of times we have to ask "What is your username?"

I know that there are some people who believe that they may end up choosing a generic name, and since enforce is set on their nicks, they will be automatically changed to Guest### or whatever, but we already experience this issue and it does not seem more problematic than WPhelp####. While it won't solve the problems behind us wanting to remove the WPHelp parameter, it won't create any more problems, either. In fact, many of the links elsewhere on the site use Freenode's webchat instead of KiwiIRC, which does not have a prefilled nick parameter at all. It is better than Freenode webchat because helpees sometimes can't figure out where to type, but they can on the user-friendly KiwiIRC.

• User:Σ also proposed via IRC that the nick parameter could be replaced with {{#invoke:Random|item|Potato|Kartoffel|PommeDeTerre|Iwashi|Tameru|Rinngo}} creating a nickname randomizer of some sort not unlike the Google Docs-type Anonymous Cat, Anonymous Dog, etc. nicknames. So, that's also another option.

I appreciate anyone's thoughts and comments regarding this matter, especially comments from people who are active helpers in the IRC channel and familiar with the usual day-to-day events and questions that we deal with there. — kikichugirl ^oh hello! 21:38, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Having helped in that channel very heavily (some years ago), I agree that having the generic nick#### can be confusing with multiple guests in the channel. I like the idea of inputting code into the link that would make a randomized nick a la Google docs. Killiondude (talk) 21:44, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Hmm. I understand the issue, but see problems with the proposed solutions. If users are allowed to choose their own names it will typically be their own first name, and the majority of the common names are already registered on freenode. If you randomly generate them a name I can see that being confusing for them. This is another thing to add to my list of reasons we need a non-IRC live help tool though. Sam Walton (talk) 22:33, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

As Kikichugirl said, having usernames picked by users would make it a lot easier to help them. Even if they pick registered nicks and fallback to Guest#####, that's not much (if at all) worse than WPhelp#####. If possible, this is how I think IRC nicks should be set for users looking for help:

• If the user is logged in and their username is only alphanumeric characters, it gets trimmed to 11 characters (if it's long) and "-WP##" is added to the end where ## is a random number
• If the user is not logged in or their username has non-alphanumeric characters, a random word or name is used from a list of usernames (like Σ suggests) and "-WP###" is added to that where "###" is, again, a random number except with 3 digits this time

As long as we can get the wiki usernames checked and passed to the link we give users, this allows helpers to get helpee's usernames easily, identifies users as having come from Wikipedia and allows helpers to use autocomplete easily since the start of helpee usernames is not likely to be similar to other helpees. I've looked at Samwalton9's non-IRC live help thing and think that a similar solution could be to have an on-site chat box that connects to the current IRC channel but only shows the user their own messages along with messages that start with their nick and were sent from users with a Wikimedia/Wikipedia/etc. cloak. It's not as great of a solution but it would probably be easier to implement and would allow a wider range of people to help. A form could be filled out that would immediately send information to the channel when they connect so that when "User-WP32" connects, helpees would see:

User-WP32 has Joined #Wikipedia-en-help
User-WP32: Related article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD
User-WP32: Coming from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk
User-WP32: I don't understand Wikipedia's policy on being bold

"Coming from" would be what page they were on when they clicked the link, "Related article" would be optional and the last message would be whatever they put in a "What's your question?" box. This doesn't solve the issue of people being unavailable at certain times and users without enough experience might still try to help but it gives helpers a lot of the information they need to know to help people and lets helpers decide if they're familiar enough with the topic being asked about before starting to interact. PhantomTech (talk) 23:53, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

I think PhantomTech's name-picking proposal is great and should be implemented as soon as possible. APerson (talk!) 19:51, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

I second that. Primefac (talk) 20:39, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

• Since this propsed solution would require global JavaScript and affects not only this project but all other projects that use IRC channels or have links to -help, I suggest this discussion be moved to a more global and universal discussion page to prevent a local consensus issue and the risk of this project dictating what the teahouse, help desk, reference desk, etc must have. -help is certainly not an AfC only channel. Also, the WPhelp nicks were implemented by a wider than AfC consensus on IRC in -helpers and a wider consensus would be needed to overturn that. Finally, this discussion is very fragmented with discussions also on my talk page and the templates talk page. To prevent further fragmentation by an individual discussion being started at HD/RD/THQ/Etc, I suggest moving it to WP:VPR. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 22:57, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm sure I must have read you wrong in reading that there was a consensus in irc that determined an onwiki change. There of course isn't any such concept. --_nonsense ferret 23:20, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

• The only onwiki discussion I can find for that specific templates was Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/2014 8#Template-protected edit request on 5 November 2014. Still not the point. Unless you are claiming that -help is ONLY for WP:AFC, then this discussion that changes the behavior of the visitors to that channel needs a discussion at a central location for all projects that use -help. I suggest an RfC at WP:VPR. As I've suggested multiple times, I would be happy to make changes to all of the relevant templates so that each template will pick a different nick depending on which template the user comes from. It can either set the username based on the template used or it can be make to set the user's nick to the name of the page they clicked the link on. Not entirely helpful in cases where the pagename is longer than the max nick name, but it could be truncated to fit and would offer a little more specific name to respond to. As Sam said, asking visitors to pick their own nick is a counter productive way to go. A random nick generator doesn't help much either, since it doesn't offer any information to who the user is. I'm entirely open to the idea of change, as long as it is a forward movement in making it easier to help visitors. If right now there are 7 WPhelp and 3 Guest nicks, this change will have the benefit of there being 0 WPhelp nicks and 9 Guest nicks, that doesn't help the very reason that you are asking for change here and is actually counter productive. Anyways, please ping me if you need my help in applying changes that set the nick to either AfC<template type>## or <pagename> and I'll get started or if you have another idea that helps identifying what visitors need help with, I'll happily implement that as well. Going back to 90% of visitors being Guest isn't helpful and I'm hoping to be able to back to IRC in -help soon. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 15:38, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

WPhelp nicks are primarily used in these AFC templates under this project's jurisdiction. I have no interest in altering the status quo of other templates. There has not been consensus to implement the solution using JavaScript, only that there is approval for it. I still believe that the random-item solution would be best. However, I would not be opposed to having an RFC on this, providing that the people who actually participate in the RFC are people who are actually helpers on the channel and can understand pros and cons of changing or not changing. — kikichugirl ^oh hello! 03:31, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Break

I would be open to T13's above proposal that we set the default nicks to the page that the helpees came from. Here's the code, for example, I would use to replace WPhelp: {{#ifeq: {{SUBPAGENAME}} | sandbox | {{BASEPAGENAME}} | {{SUBPAGENAME}} }} This would set all nicks to the page name, except when the page is in a user sandbox, where it would default to the username. This allows for ease of finding drafts and/or usernames. The other alternative would be something like {{ifeq:{{SUBJECTSPACE}} | Draft | {{PAGENAME}} | {{BASEPAGENAME}} }} in which if the namespace is draft, then the page name is used, otherwise, the base page name is used. One more alternative would be to combine all of them to say userspace would give usernames, draft space would get draft names, and all others would give WPhelp or the base page name or something. This would be for all links under the AFC jurisdiction. Finally, User:PhantomTech seems to be almost done with a function that would allow us to grab their usernames, so I would defer if it comes to that, and works well. — kikichugirl ^oh hello! 20:41, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Or maybe to simplify it all, {{#switch: {{SUBJECTSPACE}} | User = {{BASEPAGENAMEE}} | Wikipedia = {{BASEPAGENAMEE}} | Draft = {{PAGENAMEE}} | Template = T-{{PAGENAMEE}} | {{PAGENAMEE}} This is very namespace dependent, and if the namespace is not applicable, it would return the simple page name (and probably get truncated by IRC. Pinging an IRC op in invitation to comment. — kikichugirl ^oh hello! 21:02, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Here's the important bit of the javascript to change the usernames, it would need some minor changes depending on how it was implemented

if (!mw.user.isAnon()) {
    var userNick = mw.user.getName().substring(0,12).replace(/\W/g, "_") + "-WP" + Math.floor(Math.random() * 89 + 10).toString(); // really this is the only line that's important
    var ircLink = document.getElementById("ircLink").href;
    ircLink = ircLink.replace(/WPhelp\?/, userNick);
} else {
    // do something random...
}

PhantomTech (talk) 21:49, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Reviewer comments lost on creation of the article

When a page passes review all the reviewer comments seem lost. I wish they could be posted to the newly created article's talk page. Is there any discussion about where these comments go, and the future development of AfC tools? I expected that at least the AfC creation template on the talk page would link to the reviewer comments, but it seems that they vanish. Blue Rasberry (talk) 11:54, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

We have had discussions in the past. I am neutral over it since the commentary exists in the history anyway. I forget whether we came to a conclusion. Fiddle Faddle 12:22, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

After the creation of Draft-space we did discuss the idea of moving the AFC "stuff" to the draft talk page but iirc the consensus was that doing so would inconvenience many (most) newbie editors as they often have no idea about Talk pages. Perhaps we could have the Accept script copy the review templates and comments to a hatted and suitably labelled section on the talk page when the draft is moved to mainspace? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:00, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

I would be wholly in favour of that. It preserves in semi-plain sight but does not produce talk page clutter. Fiddle Faddle 07:58, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

I like Dodger67's idea. Onel5969 (talk) 12:22, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

I also support Roger's idea - the comments are useful if the article needs to be looked at again if it goes to AfD, for example. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:29, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

I predict it will be rare for this information to be useful to editors improving and maintaining an article. As Fiddle Faddle points out, the information is available in the submission's edit history; We just need to make it a bit easier to find. I would suggest including a link on the new article's talk page to the submission as it stood immediately prior to being accepted. Maybe the link could go in {{WikiProject Articles for creation}}. Maybe a separate info box along the lines of {{Merged-from}} is needed. ~Kvng (talk) 14:35, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

I was just about to suggest we include a dropdown box in {{WikiProject Articles for creation}} (the talk page banner for accepted submissions) that includes the reviewer comments. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 14:45, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Before we get too excited(!) by this, do we have a willing person who can an will implement whatever solution is both neat and simple? If so we might move to pilot mode on an arbitrary version as a bold edit, quote possibly to the live script. No-one, I think, is going to be upset with a positive outcome as long as it is neat, and does not intrude. The information is not of huge use, and is simply historic. If the draft is moved without the script it will be "lost" anyway. 15:03, 15 April 2015 (UTC)Fiddle Faddle

Sure, I'd be willing to implement solutions that involve changes to the AFCH script. APerson (talk!) 16:35, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

AfC/R backlog

Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects is suffering from a bit of a backlog at the moment. Could any helpers please use the script to process some requests? Rcsprinter₁₂₃ (commune) @ 21:06, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

I have no idea how to do it with the script - or if it's even possible. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:54, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

This requires the old script (which can be simultaneously loaded with the new script). Once at AFC/R, choosing "Review" (not Review AFCH) will load up the helpful interface. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 07:59, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Joining

Hi, I need some advice. Do I just need to sign and I will be a participant of the project? Willy Weazley 23:51, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

First get up to 500 edits before signing up. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:29, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Notice of IRC proposal

There is a proposal related to Wikipedia's live help at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#IRC help channel disclaimer. PHANTOMTECH (talk) 16:46, 15 April 2015 (UTC)