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<big>'''This page is no longer active, please see [[WP:RUSSIA|WikiProject Russia]], and discussion at its talk page, [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Russia]]'''</big> |
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==Banner== |
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Our banner reads, in part, "a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of tulips." Tulips??? |
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:Changed ''Tulips'' to ''Russian History'' here and in the template - thanks for pointing it out. I'm not sure how to locate the pages, if any, which already have the incorrect template added. [[User:Phaedrus86|Phaedrus86]] 01:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC) |
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== WikiProject collaboration notice from the [[WP:WPPORT|Portals WikiProject]] == |
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:Thanks for changing it. I had added the banner to an article before the change, and it looks like it was automatically updated.--[[User:Hafar|Hafar]] 01:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC) |
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The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them. |
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:"Tulips" was my fault. I just copied the template from the Wikiproject help page (with tulips), went to feed my cats, and forgot to up date it. In other words, I'm an idiot. Thanks for updating it, Pheadrus. [[User:MarshallPoe|MarshallPoe]] 14:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC) |
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Portals are being redesigned. |
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More important question: If an article has been 'claimed' by another WP project (Ivan IV falls under the biography and military history projects, for example)do we need to talk to those projects before adding the banner and editing the articles? |
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--[[User:Hafar|Hafar]] 22:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC) |
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:I don't think so. I've been adding the banner to Talk pages and have seen many with multiple projects. It seems to me a case of "the more, the merrier." [[User:MarshallPoe|MarshallPoe]] 14:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC) |
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The new design features are being applied to existing portals. |
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==Profiles== |
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Guys (those in red ink :)), could you please create profiles for yourselves? I think we can all benefit from knowing each other just a little bit better. Thank you! [[User:KNewman|KNewman]] 06:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC) |
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At present, we are gearing up for a maintenance pass of portals in which the introduction section will be upgraded to no longer need a subpage. In place of static copied and pasted excerpts will be self-updating excerpts displayed through selective transclusion, using the template {{tl|Transclude lead excerpt}}. |
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==Where to Place the Banner== |
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You say "Place the Russian History WikiProject banner on the TALK PAGE of ''every entry tagged with Category:History of Russia''". How about articles that are not tagged with Category:History of Russia, but are about Russia and its people? Please, clarify. [[User:KNewman|KNewman]] 17:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC) |
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:Good question. The answer, I think, is that the banner should be on the talk page of every Russian history related page. I've changed the front page to reflect this. Using the "History of Russia" category page is just a way to find Russian history related pages that need the banner. [[User:MarshallPoe|MarshallPoe]] 20:34, 6 December 2006 (UTC) |
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The discussion about this can be found '''[[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Portals#AWB_team_please_tackle_maintenance_run_on_intro_sections|here]]'''. |
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==Transliteration== |
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Are we following LOC transliteration? If so, what do we do with an article ("Andrey Kurbsky") where the title itself is mistransliterated? If we change it to Andrei Kurbskii, will people looking under the former spelling still find it? (At the moment, if one searches according to the correct spelling, nothing comes up.)--[[User:Hafar|Hafar]] 06:37, 8 December 2006 (UTC) |
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*That's one of the disadvantages of wiki search engine. If you make a spelling mistake, it won't find anything. They should really address that issue. [[User:KNewman|KNewman]] 11:42, 8 December 2006 (UTC) |
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*Is there any reason <i>not</i> to follow LOC trans other than the "former (incorrect) spelling" issue? It seems to me that there are ample ways to get to "Andrey Kurbsky" from "Andrei Kurbskii." Seems to me we should go with LOC. [[User:MarshallPoe|MarshallPoe]] 16:02, 8 December 2006 (UTC) |
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*Yes. Definitely LOC. It's simply a question of people being able to find things easily. Is it difficult to set up something so that a search for 'Kurbsky' (or 'Tolstoy,' etc)is redirected to the article with the proper spelling? I know it's possible, Andrei Kurbsky redirects to Andrey Kurbsky. (although a search for Kurbskii leads only to the page on Dan Waugh)How do we set up redirection of that sort? It may not be readily apparent to all users that searching for 'Kurbsk*' is the best idea.--[[User:Hafar|Hafar]] 19:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC) |
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**Gentlemen, you can find more at [[Wikipedia:Redirect]]. But it doesn't mean you can create redirects for entries like Andre Koorbskii, Andreii Kurbskyy etc. You have to understand that if some people have no idea how to spell someone's name, they have to use other sources to find out the most commonly-used spelling of this name in English (or whatever language) and then search the Wikipedia for the article on this person. You shouldn't create redirects that are similar in spelling to Andrei Kurbsky. Does it all make sense :)? [[User:KNewman|KNewman]] 20:54, 8 December 2006 (UTC) |
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***Thank you, I didn't know how to set such things up. I agree that a redirect for Andrei Kurbsky does not make sense, but it probably predates this project.--[[User:Hafar|Hafar]] 21:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC) |
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****What I mean is that a redirect [[Andrei Kurbsky]] to [[Andrey Kurbsky]] is fine (Andrei and Andrey are both used in English quite often), that's why it exists. Redirects for the rest of the possible spellings would be nonsense (Koooorbskyy and the like). Examples may be numerous: Smirnov and Smirnoff (fine), Khrushchev and Khruschev (fine), George Bush and George Boosh (do not create a redirect), Condoleezza Rice and Condolisa Rice (do not) etc. Common sense, really. [[User:KNewman|KNewman]] 21:53, 8 December 2006 (UTC) |
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*****Clear enough, thank you. To fix this particular problem, I did the following: Moved the former article to "Andrei Kurbskii" which, I read, has the effect of setting up a redirect from the old article to the new one. I'm hoping that fixes things without breaking anything. |
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--[[User:Hafar|Hafar]] 05:32, 9 December 2006 (UTC) |
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Maintainers of specific portals are encouraged to sign up as project members '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Portals#Specific_portal_maintainers|here]]''', noting the portals they maintain, so that those portals are skipped by the maintenance pass. Currently, we are interested in upgrading neglected and abandoned portals. There will be opportunity for maintained portals to opt-in later, or the portal maintainers can handle upgrading (the portals they maintain) personally at any time. |
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==Just a suggestion== |
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Maybe we should just pick a badly written article or a stub on the Russian history and try to improve it collectively instead of tagging ALL of the artciles pertaining to Russia? It'll last forever... But then again, if my suggestion passes, we'll roll back to the '''Collaboration of the Week''' thing ([[Wikipedia:Collaborations]]), which used to be so popular in Wikipedia and later died down due to the lack of enthusiasm. [[User:KNewman|KNewman]] 21:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC) |
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=== Background === |
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==Armenian SSR== |
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On April 8th, 2018, an [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/RfC: Ending the system of portals|RfC ("Request for comment") proposal was made to eliminate all portals and the portal namespace]]. On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals. |
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Hey all, how come Armenian SSR was tagged? Are we assuming Soviet Union == Russia? - [[User:f-m-t|Francis Tyers]] [[User_talk:f-m-t|·]] 23:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC) |
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There's an [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-05-24/WikiProject report|article in the current edition of the Signpost interviewing project members about the RfC and the Portals WikiProject]]. |
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:Hi Francis. Sort of. I think Rus', Appanage Rus', Muscovy (and all its territories), the Empire, the USSR (all of it), and *some* of the former territories of the USSR fall under our purview. <b>This purview is *not* exclusive.</b> We aren't imperialists! We just want to help keep the articles accurate. If the Armenian History Wikipedia Project (should such ever exist) wants to monitor the "Armenian SSR" article as well, that would be great. The more the merrier. I'd be interested to see what others think. [[User:MarshallPoe|MarshallPoe]] 14:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC) |
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Since the reboot, the Portals WikiProject has been busy building tools and components to upgrade portals. |
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*It's already been tagged by the projects for Armenia and the Soviet Union - I think it falls under their purview rather than ours, and I half believe it should be removed. I tagged the page for the RSFSR but deliberately left the pages for the other SSRs alone as I wasn't sure what to do with them. I don't think our purview should be restrictive but a line has to be drawn somewhere - are we concerned with the history of Russia (which would include Rus', Muscovy ''et al''), or are we concerned with the history of the Soviet Union - which already has it's own Wikiproject? Perhaps discussion of this, also, should move to the talk page of the article concerned? [[User:Adereterial|Adereterial]] 13:44, 12 December 2006 (UTC) |
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So far, 84 editors have joined. |
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**Granted, but I would say that in marginal cases (like this) the more projects involved in monitoring articles, the better. All any project tag means (IMO) is "We want to help" (NOT "We own this"). If multiple projects want to help, all the better. As long as everyone maintains NPOV (which we will), multiple projects bring more attention to the tagged articles and, by "Wikimagic," more attention should result in better articles. I imagine that someone will get POed about our tag on a site that they think "their" project "owns," but I think we should deal with that on a case by case basis. [[User:MarshallPoe|MarshallPoe]] 15:27, 12 December 2006 (UTC) |
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If you would like to keep abreast of what is happening with portals, see the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals/Newsletter archive|newsletter archive]]. |
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== Scope == |
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If you have any questions about what is happening with portals or the Portals WikiProject, please post them on the [[WT:WPPORT|WikiProject's talk page]]. |
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Just what exactly is in scope of this project? I saw someone tagging [[Sergei Eisenstein]] as part of this project; while I'm not opposed to this (he did make some excellent movies about Russia's history after all), he wasn't that crucial with respect to Russian history himself (as opposed to Lenin, Stalin etc). [[User:Errabee|Errabee]] 23:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC) |
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*I will withdraw my name from the memberlist if it all comes down to simple tagging. I don't see any sense in it. [[User:KNewman|KNewman]] 13:05, 13 December 2006 (UTC) |
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Thank you. <span class="nowrap"> — ''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist]]'' </span> 11:01, 31 May 2018 (UTC) |
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WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject
[edit]The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them.
Portals are being redesigned.
The new design features are being applied to existing portals.
At present, we are gearing up for a maintenance pass of portals in which the introduction section will be upgraded to no longer need a subpage. In place of static copied and pasted excerpts will be self-updating excerpts displayed through selective transclusion, using the template {{Transclude lead excerpt}}.
The discussion about this can be found here.
Maintainers of specific portals are encouraged to sign up as project members here, noting the portals they maintain, so that those portals are skipped by the maintenance pass. Currently, we are interested in upgrading neglected and abandoned portals. There will be opportunity for maintained portals to opt-in later, or the portal maintainers can handle upgrading (the portals they maintain) personally at any time.
Background
[edit]On April 8th, 2018, an RfC ("Request for comment") proposal was made to eliminate all portals and the portal namespace. On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals.
Since the reboot, the Portals WikiProject has been busy building tools and components to upgrade portals.
So far, 84 editors have joined.
If you would like to keep abreast of what is happening with portals, see the newsletter archive.
If you have any questions about what is happening with portals or the Portals WikiProject, please post them on the WikiProject's talk page.
Thank you. — The Transhumanist 11:01, 31 May 2018 (UTC)