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Illegal removal of people from the United States

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This is an essay masquerading as an encyclopedic article. The lede is a clear use of WP:OR as it WP:SYNTH various WP:PRIMARY court cases to present extraordinary claim that illegally deporting is a capital crime. Also a violation of WP:NPOV as presents one novel interpretation of various laws and cases Slywriter (talk) 15:40, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions. Slywriter (talk) 15:40, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. JBchrch talk 15:45, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete. WP:DEL-REASON #14 + WP:NOTESSAY. JBchrch talk 15:46, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOTESSAY and a lack of secondary sourcing on this topic as a whole. I don't see what material or topic here is different in a notability sense from IIRAIRA or Deportation and removal from the United States. What is here is mostly OR, and while it might make for a great journal note idea it's not suitable as an article. Alyo (chat·edits) 16:08, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The above users are ordinary laypersons (they don't know anything about illegal deportation from the United States). The article is sufficiently sourced, those are not primary but irrefutable secondary reliable sources. An article like this one does not even need a source, the several news reports cited in the external links are enough. Putting commonly-known facts such as "Washington, D.C. is the capital of the United States" does not need to be referenced. Every sentence in the article is a commonly-known fact. Those wanting to delete the article probably think that no illegal deportation has ever occurred, but the article provides indisputable evidence to the contrary. 18 U.S.C. § 242 and the FBI website say that if a government official illegally deports a person from the United States he or she could be charged with a crime. That section of law entails capital punishment. If you don't like it that's your personal problem. It's useless to try to hide the facts. WP:CENSOR ("Wikipedia may contain content that some readers consider objectionable or offensive‍—‌even exceedingly so.").--Libracarol (talk) 17:02, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep with reservations. The article certainly has the problems identified above, but they are fixable. A Google scholar search of "deportation of citizens" shows many secondary sources are available, for someone with the werewithal to address this. There is no deadline. Sennalen (talk) 16:59, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Speedy delete'''. [[WP:DEL-REASON]] #14 + [[WP:NOTESSAY]]. [[User:JBchrch|<span style="color:#494e52">'''JBchrch'''</span>]] [[User_talk:JBchrch|<span style="color:#494e52">talk</span>]] 15:46, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 *'''Delete''' per [[WP:NOTESSAY]] and a lack of secondary sourcing on this topic as a whole. I don't see what material or topic here is different in a notability sense from [[Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996|IIRAIRA]] or [[Deportation and removal from the United States]]. What is here is mostly OR, and while it might make for a great journal note idea it's not suitable as an article. [[User:Alyo|<span style="font-variant:small-caps">Alyo</span>]] ''([[User talk:Alyo|<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>]]·[[Special:Contributions/Alyo|<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>]])'' 16:08, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
+*'''Keep'''. The above users are ordinary laypersons (they don't know anything about illegal deportation from the United States). The article is sufficiently sourced, those are not primary but irrefutable ''secondary reliable sources''. An article like this one does not even need a source, the several news reports cited in the external links are enough. Putting commonly-known facts such as "[[Washington, D.C.]] is the capital of the United States" does not need to be referenced. Every sentence in the article is a commonly-known fact. Those wanting to delete the article probably think that no illegal deportation has ever occurred, but the article provides indisputable evidence to the contrary. {{USCSub|18|242}} and the [[FBI]] website say that if a government official illegally deports a person from the United States he or she could be charged with a crime. That section of law entails [[capital punishment]]. If you don't like it that's your personal problem. It's useless to try to hide the facts. [[WP:CENSOR]] ("Wikipedia may contain content that some readers consider objectionable or offensive‍—‌even exceedingly so.").--[[User:Libracarol|Libracarol]] ([[User talk:Libracarol|talk]]) 17:02, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 :'''Keep''' with reservations. The article certainly has the problems identified above, but they are fixable. A Google scholar search of "deportation of citizens" shows many secondary sources are available, for someone with the werewithal to address this. There is no deadline. [[User:Sennalen|Sennalen]] ([[User talk:Sennalen|talk]]) 16:59, 17 December 2021 (UTC)