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Lo meiin

Not currently actionable, but Lo meiin is warned to avoid battleground-like conduct. Sandstein 07:41, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

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Request concerning Lo meiin

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: WarKosign (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:56, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Lo meiin (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: WP:ARBPIA3#500/30 (as well as WP:1RR and WP:CIV)

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

September 18 A revert in the I/P area, which they are not supposed to be editing at all
September 18 Second revert within minutes

September 11 Personal attack
September 17 battleground mentality

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

None, a new user

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

DS alert

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Lo meiin is a new user who immediately took interest in the I/P area. They opened multiple garbled RFCs (1, 2, 3), two of them on the same article at the same time. Responded in uncivil manner to an opinion they didn't like and repeatedly made significant POV changes against consensus.

Regarding the connection to ~~WP:ARBIP~~WP:ARBPIA - at List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Asia the user made many edits, most of them adjusting the table entry on State of Palestine according to their POV: [1]. I agree that most of the article is not relevant to ~~WP:ARBIP~~WP:ARBPIA, but entry on SoP is, even without "broadly construed". This came after their edit request was rejected and an RFC State of Palestine didn't seem to go the way they wanted. “WarKosign ” 19:29, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My understanding that an article containing (among many other things) descriptions of Israel and State of Palestine and their partial recognition *is* related to the conflict. Perhaps my interpretation is broad, but this is what WP:ARBPIA tells us to do: "The area of conflict in this case shall be considered to be the entire set of Arab-Israeli conflict-related articles, broadly interpreted". “WarKosign ” 20:26, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If you still disagree with my interpretation - sorry about wasting your time. I would appreciate a clarification. However, before you dismiss the case I would ask you to clarify to Lo meiin that DS topics are not a good starting place for a new editor, and that they should be civil and avoid edit wars. I'm afraid that otherwise the user will soon repeat the same pattern on an article that is directly relevant to A-I conflict without any need for broad interpretation. “WarKosign ” 20:56, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Notified

Discussion concerning Lo meiin

Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.

Statement by Lo meiin

First of all I’d like to begin by refuting the allegations made against me. I started out filing an admin notice on auh20s talk page as I saw he is engaged in editing conflict with some editors not as a personal attack but as an appropriate means of dispute resolution. I’ve also requested countless RFCs, 3O before editing, and I even recognized where I went wrong apologized and learned from the experience in order to grow as an new editor. In addition, even after I apologized, I was labelled profanely as a “punk”, despite condemning previous personal attacks on auh20 republican by other editors. Why I combined both generally and substantially recognized states in Asia together is to avoid contention over the issue and satisfy all parties to the dispute. In addition, I attempted to present the facts in an NPOV manner by plainly and objectively stating the facts and by making no significant changes to Taiwan and Palestine’s labelling. Despite my personal reservations on the issue and me being mainland Chinese, I conceded to labelling Taiwan as a “country” for the sake of Wikipedia. Auh20 and his ally warkosign (who happens to be Israeli, making him POV on the issue) are once again hungry for conflict by reverting these edits, possibly due to their bias towards Israel over Palestine. I would also like to mention that auh20 has made several reverts to already established articles that group un member and observer states together to impose his view without previous consent. I suggest combining the two categories together to end this ceaseless feud and to turn to a new chapter on Wikipedia; and if this request is granted, I will vow never to edit any Arab- Israeli related articles until I am a confirmed user.

Lo meiin (talk) 23:41, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Nableezy

There was supposed to be some sort of clarification on broadly vs reasonably construed and what is subject to the edit-restriction. AFAIK, currently only articles that are themselves as a whole related to the conflict are covered, and edits elsewhere, such at Airbnb, and consequently List of sovereign states, are not. nableezy - 20:33, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Sir Joseph

ARBPIA 30/500 is clear and the amendment request referenced here is also clear. The article itself should not be under ECP but the editor should be blocked for violating ARBPIA 30/500 and for being disruptive. He was warned several times that he can't make edits in this subject area and that talk page edits are generally allowed if they're not being disruptive (I am not sure if RFC's are allowed). We had a similar case over at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive256#Bill_Josephs just a few days ago where a new user was behaving similarly and was blocked. This seems to me a clear case and not sure we need a drawn out AE action and most certainly don't need any more articles protected. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 21:51, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

On your part, you are in no position to tell me what to do in this matter when you yourself are a POV editor and advocate for the state of Israel

Lo meiin (talk) 01:21, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by AuH2ORepublican

In my defense, I reverted that article several times in order to try to return to the status quo ante (this after a week of imploring Lo meiin to seek consensus in the Talk page); other editors similarly reverted Lo meein during the past two weeks after his relentless, POV edits.

As for the editor's passive-aggressive insult to WarKosign, that was after he "learned" how to be civil. Not long ago, he accused me in an administrative noticeboard of "hav[ing] depicted Palestinians are [sic] a mindless, anti Semitic, radical and insolent people" (and I asked him to apologize for his calumny for weeks before he finally did so) and asked in a Talk page "And AuH20, food for thought, do you hate Palestinians and Taiwanese people yourself?", so his insults have become more nuanced and refined as time goes on. AuH2ORepublican (talk) 20:52, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In reaction to Lo meiin's statement (see above), while I don't think that this is the correct forum to discuss the proper presentation of sovereign states in Wikipedia (the proper forum being the Talk pages of such articles), and thus will forgo doing so, I will respond to Lo meein's claim that I insulted him when I referred to him (in my own Talk page, in response to another editor urging me to press a harassment claim against Lo meein due to his persistent insults) as a "punk." As I responded to Lo meein when he chided me for the appellation in my Talk page:

I referred to you as a "punk" right after I was made aware that your latest cowardly insult to me was to add the following comment to a Talk page in which you already had insulted me: "And AuH20, food for thought, do you hate Palestinians and Taiwanese people yourself?" So I was being polite when I referred to you as a "punk" instead of using more appropriate words to describe you.

This also was after Lo meein insultingly had claimed that I "have depicted Palestinians are [sic] a mindless, anti Semitic, radical and insolent people," so, under the circumstances, my referring to him as a "punk" showed remarkable self-restraint on my part. Oh, and Lo meein did not apologize for his insults until afterwards, so, contrary to what Lo meein claims, I did not call him a "punk" after he already had apologized. AuH2ORepublican (talk) 00:31, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Lo meiin

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

I guess I'm struggling to figure out a connection to WP:ARBIP — that article is not under (any) discretionary sanctions El_C 19:13, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, WP:ARBPIA. Okay. But that article is still not under (any) discretionary sanctions. El_C 19:34, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Um. The edit is certainly related to Palestine, but the article isn't, and therefore isn't under discretionary sanctions. Therefore it isn't extended-protected (and never has been), so WarKosign is incorrect with this edit-summary. I do note that another editor, User:AuH2ORepublican has reverted seven times on that article in the last two days, including a 3RR violation, so perhaps a 1RR restriction (on the article) might be useful. (Incidentally, "you clearly have no political knowledge and probably failed your geography class ... Thank you and no offense intended" is superb, perhaps more users should follow this method if they have to be incivil). Black Kite (talk) 20:10, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Closed as not actionable. The article is not related to the Arab-Israeli conflict. The personal attack was prior to the DS notification. But we do have indications of battleground conduct, so I'm warning Lo meein to behave. If not, bans or blocks are likely. Sandstein 07:41, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WikipediansSweep

WikipediansSweep is indefinitely topic-banned from everything related to fringe science, including but not limited to Walter Russell. Sandstein 17:49, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Request concerning WikipediansSweep

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: CaptainEek (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 07:23, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: WikipediansSweep (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Pseudoscience#Discretionary_sanctions :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

[2] Edit warring
[3] Edit warring
[4] Edit warring
[5] Edit warring and editing while logged out
[6] Very uncivil comment/borderline PA made at me while I was trying to calmly ask Bradv for advice
[7] Barely sensical ramblings on WP:FTN
[8] Claiming Einstein was a fringe scientist
[9] Rather long rant that boils down to 1. strong bias for article in question 2. Pseudoscience ramblings 3. WP:BATTLEGROUND

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

[10] Alerted to DS in PSCI by Bradv on September 7

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I originally got pulled into this debate (on whether Walter Russell was a genius and discovered Plutonium before Niels Bohr, among other issues) as a result of a WP:3O request. I tried to be very calm, civil, and helpful, and took WikipediansSweeps less than civil behavior and WP:BATTLEGROUND mentality in stride. But after more than a week, its become clear that WikipediansSweep is a WP:SPA who strongly wants Walter Russell to be portrayed in their chosen POV. For additional evidence of WP:IDHT and WP:BATTLEGROUND, see Talk:Walter_Russell#Third_opinion, and Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard#Walter_Russell. Please let me know if I've done anything wrong in this request, I have never filed a claim at AE before, and the process is a bit confusing. I tried to be very patient with WikipediansSweep, and I'm dissapointed it had to come to this. Smooth sailing, Captain Eek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 07:23, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

[11]

Discussion concerning WikipediansSweep

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Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.

Statement by WikipediansSweep

Concerning the above comments in regards to changing or reverting edits that do not match the criteria prescribed recently does not seem to be ingeniune as i am actually finding sources which support the conclusions and statements i have undone edits on. One example is the Modern Leonardo claim about Walter Russell which I supported in the talk portion of the article. There have also been sweeping edits in regards to multiple paragraph deletions and other credibly sourced portions upon which i am now paying for subscriptions to support and to find. The fact this man was an architect, painter, sculptor, speaker, musician, ice skater, and inventor are all supported in my sources recently mentioned. I do not have a battle ground mentality but request sensible edits that do not step over the bounds to match someones point of view rather than find the material questionable without research. I do find a lot of edits sensible and have not touched those, but major edits in regards to things as simple as personal history to well documented sources and saying "read the rules" as its justification whenever it fails to even meet that criteria is a bit absurd. I admit to somewhat of senseless ramblings but let us be humble and admit our shortcomings and imperfections. I also do believe Einstein was somewhat fringe in the years he published his famous papers which were originally scorned and then brought up many worlds theory and how it was initially scorned, both were seemingly fringe at the time, the mentioned how planck stated that science progresses one funeral at a time. But there are some ramblings in there i do admit. But i am simply trying to publish the truth out into the world and am conforming to every standard i see that requires more due dilligence. For example there was major edits done in regards to this man bein a master musician, artist, sculptor, architect, and how was able to successfully defend his points in the new york times against outspoken scientist, where i have them, albeit clumsily in an failed embedded format, sourced. This man was also personal friends of thomas edison, mark twain, and theodore roosevelt, and many more outstanding people in our society. I also am using a mobile device for most of this if not nearly all so forgive my lagish response and failure to be more formal in multiple places such as this. I also am noting how many warnings i received and honestly have only gotten one on this end. Also my friend above, whom i thought i was in good standing with now due to my lengthy sourcing last night, originally deemed this man a kook, quack, and in my opinion shot from the hip and demanded major editing was required on this article due to simply being ill informed. Also it seems as if i am the one doing the most work on the page as i am the one find sources, and asking for validation on edits rather than "fringe stuff removed" sweeping edits that include many things not considered fringe. It was a mans unique universal perspective or philosophy if nothing more being removed as fringe to where it begets the concern on how philosophy itself doesn't classify into the same spectrum. All of which i have asked for clarity on in the talk page with some but not adequate response. So apologies as i am in an attempt to actually uncover the truth in a format befitting to all readers, not defend my point of view strictly in regards to this individual. But obviously one of the best painters, sculptors, architects, and considered by a considerable few a polymath does not seem to be quackery by any stretch of the imagination. There are articles of him giving edison medals of honor from his society and it seems almost foolish to see a man never deemed a quack in his time of prominence to be in our times deemed such by people whom lack the full information on him. I am doing my best with the little i have and do not adopt battle ground mentality but a sturdy one finding only support for my claims. I apologize if this is over my word count. (Added 10 minutes after original comment: as i said i have only received one warning on this end and admit to somewhat senseless ramblings, i am using a mobile device mostly due to situational standards, i do apologize for the lagginess and informality of much of my input, i also apologize for seemingly brutish behavior which is not intended as such, i am only trying to find the actual material accepted by standards laid out here and question the exact reasons behind some things not being seen as reasonable sources, and i have a very limited pallet, and somehow even with 10 other editors, i can, on my phone, validate many claims with dozenz of sources previously deemed kookie by other editors, that should be stating something, i hope to be in good standing and will continue to find other sources, something i was in the process of until i saw this) WikipediansSweep (talk) 08:15, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Additional: look i will take this as a formal warning because i am new to editing on wiki and for the most part am swamped in response complexities i find it hard to retort. I will cool it on my end and keep the discussion strictly professional and if there are further warnings you can ban me.

For now I'm the only one adding source information previously deemed unfindable and thrown to the way side with lack of scrutiny. It honestly seems as if no one is reading those either and it seems the edits go far beyond the bounds of normal desire to present the facts and instead with a scorn for something that goes against the mainstream. Almost as if the vigor against faith healing is applied to this. That is my two cents though, I would honestly love to hear advice and feedback as it seems many eyes will view this and would be beneficial.

WikipediansSweep (talk) 15:37, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning WikipediansSweep

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

The request seems to have merit (pending a response by WikipediansSweep). I think a topic ban from fringe science, including Walter Russell, is in order. Sandstein 07:55, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The rambling response by WikipediansSweep confirms my view. Sandstein 08:51, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Looks to me like a pretty clear indefinite topic ban from fringe science topics, broadly construed.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:03, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This sort of issue is why the discretionary sanctions on pseudoscience article exist - endorse the indefinite topic ban, broadly construed - David Gerard (talk) 09:06, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Holy Crap Batman. Yes, a topic-ban is called for. It should be indefinite, and lifted only if they demonstrate the ability to be a net positive elsewhere. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:39, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

TheTimesAreAChanging

TheTimesAreAChanging is blocked for two months. Sandstein 15:33, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

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Request concerning TheTimesAreAChanging

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: My very best wishes (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 21:35, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: TheTimesAreAChanging (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Eastern_Europe#Discretionary_sanctions :
Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American_politics_2#Discretionary_sanctions_(1932_cutoff) :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

(edit summary) 05:14, 19 September 2019, a personal attack (“known troll”, “in an effort to bolster WP:FRINGE nonsense defending Nazism” and more)
(edit summary) 18:14, 19 September 2019, a personal attack again ("Stop defending Hitler!"), even after receiving a notification/reminder about discretionary sanctions in the Eastern Europe subject area
[12], [13], [14], [15],[16],[17] - All these edits seem to be in a violation of his topic ban of American politics [18]. The topic ban concerns “all edits about, and all pages related to post-1932 politics of the United States”. Does not it cover the foreign politics and wars by the United States?

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

[19], 7 February 2018 - topic ban on editing in the area of US politics imposed by Sandstein

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The contributor was previously sanctioned at WP:AE and frequently contributed with comments, complaints and appeals on WP:AE [20]
[21] - a notification for EE area, 16:49, 19 September 2019

Additional comments by editor filing complaint: I thought TTAAC would apologize [22] and start discussion of a disagreement [23] after his edit (diff #1). However, instead of doing just that, he responded with another offense (diff#2).

Note that in the both diffs, #1 and #2, TTAAC restored the following text: "Suvorov is often accused (or praised by historical revisionists) of shifting the blame of World War II on Stalin...^{[citation needed]}... In his later books, Suvorov insists that Stalin was a true evil genius (although unlucky), while describing Hitler as evil but grossly incompetent.^{[citation needed]}" This is an obvious WP:OR content which was unsourced for a long time, possibly also a WP:BLP problem. Also note that TTAAC never edited this page before. He just followed my edit to blindly revert and make an offensive edit summary.

More comments here. But no, I really do not have any content dispute with TTAAC on this page. He just followed my edit, reverted twice with offensive summaries, and refused to talk on the article talk page.

Speaking about this my edit, yes, I removed the phrase in WP voice: Proponents of this absurd justification can still be found today, a few even among historians and retired generals. Said who? This is not clear. An "absurd justification" of what? This is not clear.

Speaking about the "preemptive strike" by Hitler, here is what the author of this book claims: [24]. But even if it was indeed a "preemptive strike" by Hitler, how this can be seen a justification of anything Hitler did?

Responses.

@TTAAC. I think you are a good content contributor, and I tried to support you several times on WP:AE, last time here. But that incident was over the top. Speaking about my diffs #3, I think we just need a certainty here. If those were not topic ban violations, everyone needs to know.

@Drmies. I agree. Bringing back very old stories and grudges (by TTAAC and others) may qualify as WP:BATTLE.

@Icewhiz. Yes, there are many historians, including Suvorov, who place a part of the responsibility on Stalin, together with Hitler. This is because of the "secret protocols" with Hitler, Gestapo–NKVD conferences, the occupation of Poland, German–Soviet Commercial Agreement (1940), etc. There is nothing fringe here. More disputable is the Soviet offensive plans controversy. But I do not see how this can justify the incivility and non-cooperative behavior by TTAAC.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

[25]. My very best wishes (talk) 21:38, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion concerning TheTimesAreAChanging

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Statement by TheTimesAreAChanging

This is obviously a frivolous request for the reasons laid out by Paul Siebert below, and in far greater detail than the request deserves. My very best wishes's diffs simply do not support his claims. In fact, the bad faith displayed by MVBW in reinstating the apparently pro-Nazi IP's deletions is obvious from Icebreaker (Suvorov)'s revision history, where MVBW is edit warring with several users over long-standing content dating back as far as a decade ago, while pretending that it was recently added by an IP (as if that would be sufficient explanation for his edit). Note that MVBW also removed sources only to cite the lack of sources as justification for further deletions, omitting the consensus of academic historians in favor of the following profoundly misleading "summary": "Rolf-Dieter Müller a former professor of military history at Humboldt University who served as the scientific director at the Center for Military History and Social Sciences of the Bundeswehr states that Hitler claimed that he had been forced to counter Soviet expansionism with a preemptive strike." (Hitler may have claimed this, but RS do not take official statements by Hitler at face value.) This case should be dismissed and MVBW should be discouraged from gaming the system to "win" content disputes.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 00:45, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Paul Siebert

US ban should be discussed elsewhere.

This edit summary is actually correct: the IP restored the text removed by another IP. This second IP (97.115.131.125) made the edit demonstrating its pro-Nazi position. By removing the content that was previously removed by an obvious pro-Nazi IP, MVBW implicitly supported it. Therefore, a deeper analysis is needed to figure out if TheTimesAreAChanging's edit summary was a personal attack, or it was just an adequate description of what happened.
In addition, MVBW claimed that the text removed by one IP was added by another IP. That is not a legitimate reason for removal: any IP is allowed to edit. Second, that MVBW's statement is false: the content he removed was a result of a collective work of several users, for example, a significant part of the removed fragment was added by me in 2009.
By removing properly sourced material under a misleading edit summary, MVBW committed a serious violation. That is exacerbated by the fact that he was de facto acting as a proxy of an antisemitic IP.
Importantly, recent events demonstrate that this and similar MVBW's actions are not just good faith errors, and their roots go back to the infamous EEML case. Upon having read TTAAC's edit summary (TTAAC mentioned the EEML case), I decided to refresh my mind about this case, and looked through my talk page archive. I found this: look at the Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Eastern European mailing list section. During this discussion that took place in 2009, User:Viriditas was trying to convince me to read EEML emails, because the EEML members were contemplating something against me. I recall, in 2009, I refused to read EEML's emails, but after I have realised that Biophys may be dangerous not only for me, but for other users too, I decided to take a brief look at those emails, which are currently easy to find. What I found shocked me and dispelled my remaining beliefs in Biophys/MVBW's good faith.

Despite MVBW's dishonest behaviour (I know exceptional claims require exceptional evidences, and I am goint to present them), I was taking no actions against him, because I believed that that was only my problem. Now I started to realise that his activity is harmful for Wikipedia in general, and I would like to present evidences against him. In connection to that, it would be correct to suspend this case, and to wait for arbitrators' opinion on the evidences I am going to present. If the conclusion will be that I am right, then the TTAAC's edit summary was just a statement of fact, although redundantly emotional one. If the decision will be in MVBW's favour, than TTAAC's words are a personal attack. Since I was not going to report Biophys/MVBW before that case, I need some time to collect the evidences. Should I present them here, or they should be a separate case?--Paul Siebert (talk) 23:55, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Drmies, I mean recent evidences, but those old emails appeared to be instrumental for understanding some recent events. And, please, keep in mind that in 2009 I abstained from presenting any evidences against EEML members (although now I realize I probably should have done that), and I am currently maintaining good relationships with some of them. With regard to OUTING, I named noone, except one person who repeatedly attempted to OUT me (and, as I now realize, those plans go back to 2009). --Paul Siebert (talk) 00:43, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Drmies, I am going to present the evidences that MVBW is currently posting a direct lie aimed to discredit other users, and my analysis of old emails demonstrates this is not a good faith error, but a continuation of an old strategy privately discussed by EEML members 10 years ago. Other ex-EEML members abandoned this tactics many years ago, and currently they are good and productive editors. Biophys is an exception, and that is why discussion of his old name is quite relevant here.--Paul Siebert (talk) 15:19, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Drmies

Just one thing: will this EEML shit ever cease? And why on earth does TheTimesEtc. think this is somehow appropriate to bring up in an edit summary? I have been rev/deleting EEML references and old user names since they really constitute OUTING--and here we go again. But really, in the end: this is all water under the bridge, and should be disregarded/not mentioned/removed. Editors should be judged NOT on what happened a decade ago which somehow might be construed to be relevant today. Sheesh. Paul Siebert, I don't know what "evidences" you are trying to present, but I sure hope they are younger than my children. Drmies (talk) 00:37, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Siebert, I can't keep anything in mind cause those 2009 proceedings aren't in my mind to begin with. The OUTING relates to your naming of old accounts; there is no good reason to do that. We don't need to go back to 2009 and before (since I'm sure there's even older evidence in that case) to establish some pattern that you claim is causing disruption a decade later. Drmies (talk) 14:50, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (Jack90s15)

MVBW Said I should read the book Icebreaker

   (Why Stalin did it? Read the Icebreaker (Suvorov).)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Soviet_Union&diff=916481834&oldid=916481666

But then right after MVBW Deleted all the Sourced Information that were put by Paul Siebert with the False edit summary??

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Icebreaker_(Suvorov)&diff=916483449&oldid=890861013 Jack90s15 (talk) 01:00, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@TheTimesAreAChanging: that is Clearly Pov pushing they falsified what I put Rolf-Dieter Müller did not say (that Hitler claimed that he had been forced to counter Soviet expansionism with a preemptive strike)

What I put for my edit

(Rolf-Dieter Müller a former professor of military history at Humboldt University served as the scientific director at the Center for Military History and Social Sciences of the Bundeswehr. states Hitler claimed that he had been forced to counter Soviet expansionism with a preemptive strike. Proponents of this absurd justification can still be found today, a few even among historians and retired generals)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Icebreaker_(Suvorov)&diff=916489392&oldid=916486083 its on page x

What MVBW changed it to

"Rolf-Dieter Müller a former professor of military history at Humboldt University who served as the scientific director at the Center for Military History and Social Sciences of the Bundeswehr states that Hitler claimed that he had been forced to counter Soviet expansionism with a preemptive strike."

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Icebreaker_(Suvorov)&diff=next&oldid=916600593

Statement by Icewhiz

MVBW actions here on content (Icebreaker by Suvorov) described in academic literature as "overarching conspiracy theories" (source: Slavic Review) merits very close scrutiny from a WP:PROFRINGE perspective.Icewhiz (talk) 03:50, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Adding - Icebreaker transfers responsibility for World War II from Hitler to Stalin.Icewhiz (talk) 04:14, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning TheTimesAreAChanging

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The request has merit.
As regards the topic ban violation claims, the diffs at issue all relate to U.S. interventions abroad, i.e., U.S. foreign policy. A discussion could be had about whether this relates to the "politics" of the United States. I believe it does, because foreign policy is inseparable from domestic politics. Our article Foreign policy of the United States is labeled as being "part of a series on the politics of the United States", and Category:United States foreign policy is a sub-sub-category of Category:Politics of the United States. TheTimesAreAChanging therefore violated their politics topic ban by making edits about US foreign policy.
As to the personal attacks, they are also actionable as violations of WP:NPA.
The comments by TheTimesAreAChanging and others about the underlying content disputes are entirely irrelevant in this forum.
TheTimesAreAChanging does not address either the topic ban violations or the personal attacks in their response, which consists only of complaints against others. It can therefore be disregarded (cf. WP:NOTTHEM). We can therefore proceed from the assumption that TheTimesAreAChanging does not contest having violated their topic ban and having made personal attacks.
As per my usual practice, I am doubling the duration of the most recent block (of one month, for socking), and am imposing a two-month block. Sandstein 15:32, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Siebert

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Request concerning Paul Siebert

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: My very best wishes (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 15:58, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Paul Siebert (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

19:02, 20 September 2019 - those are serious accusations, and without a shred of evidence: a "Hitler's defender", "a troll", "was acting as a proxy", "Irving". None of that is true.

Based on his previous comment [26], Paul is talking about this my edit: [27]. Yes, my edit summary was insufficient, but I explained everything on talk [28]. Some of the content I removed was unsourced, other was not about the book (the subject of the page), but about ideas by Suvorov in general (he authored lots of books) which belong to other pages. Paul made only one response: [29] - OK, Paul seem to mostly agree with me. Nothing about Hitler. Why did he start making the accusations (diff #1) soon after this his comment on article talk page?

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Participated in an arbitration request or enforcement procedure about the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on September 20, 2019.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Comment 1. This and previous comments by Paul had a serious ripple effect:

[30] - a personal attack by User:Sir Joseph against Sandstein -> long ANI discussion about Sir Joseph [31], [32],[33]
User:Jack90s15 copy-pasted personal attacks by Paul (“statement by @Paul Siebert:”) on various pages, including Sandstein talk page, article talk page,same page again, his own talk page . He did it along with following my edits on other pages in a matter of minutes and reverting them without talking. For example, [34] (misleading edit summary: no, that was mentioned on the page ), [35] - restoring unsourced content on a BLP-relevant subject.

Comment 2. An enormously long ANI discussion resulted in a topic ban of Paul on August 5, 2019: [36]The problem was WP:TE by Paul, in particular WP:IDONTHEARYOU. However, same problem had happen on many pages, mostly on Eastern Europe subjects [37]: Paul made 3,301 posts to Talk:Mass killings under communist regimes 920 posts on Talk:Communist terrorism, etc. A casual contributor like me can only run from these discussions. That’s why I stopped editing all these pages [38].

Comment 3 I submitted previously a complaint about Paul on WP:AE: [39], and it was closed as “no action”.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

[40]

Discussion concerning Paul Siebert

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Statement by Paul Siebert

Well, it seems it is a time to discuss MVBW's behaviour in more details. I am going to present a comprehensive analysis of Biophys/MVBW's actions, that should lead to severe sanctions. However, I need some time to collect all evidences. In connection to that, may I ask admins to give me some time (about a week) to collect all evidences? I also need to analyse them to select only the most essential facts, to save admin's time and efforts.

In addition, since that will be a very complex case, I officially require an extension of a word limits. In my opinion, MVBW is dangerous to Wikipedia, and that is not just a conflict between me and him. Therefore, I believe it is in interests of a whole community to let me present all evidences.

I also have a technical question. After MVBW filed a request against TTAAC, I decided to look through an old EEML archive (as User:Viriditas asked me to do 10 years ago), and I found some evidences that partially explain current MVBW's behaviour (and which reinforced my belief in his danger to a community). I don't think it is correct to discuss other's private emails, however, can I quote some of them (without naming other EEML members except Biophys) in a part where they were contemplating actions against me? -

@Closing admins. I would be grateful to obtain the answers to all three my questions asap.-Paul Siebert (talk) 18:40, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (Jack90s15)

Removed as not helpful to assessing the request. Non-parties are asked to be brief and limit themselves to relevant new evidence related to the matter at hand, rather than continuing old disputes, content disputes, etc. Thanks, Sandstein 16:35, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And I was not following them I was watching the page after they told me about the book. The other page I came across at the same time as they were editing it was a Coincidence Jack90s15 (talk) 18:38, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Icewhiz

The trigger to this dispute seems to be MVBW removing 70% of the page - [41] saying an IP added it (the IP reverted another IP that removed it diff) - content that has been present on the article for over a decade.

The article in question is on a book that transfers responsibility for WWII from Hitler to Stalin. This article in Slavic Review sees this as "overarching conspiracy theories". The book is mainly known for this controversy.

The version created by MVBW - permalink is problematic from a NPOV and PROFRINGE standpoint - this version is absent anything critical on this book - presenting it as mainstream (when it is very much not so).Icewhiz (talk) 17:59, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning Paul Siebert

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