Talk:Bradley Wiggins

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At the 2008 Beijing Olympics he won a gold medal in the 4km Individual Pursuit, defending his title from four years earlier. In doing so he became the first rider ever to successfully defend his pursuit title at the Olympics. On 17 August, he was a key member of the Olympic team pursuit squad which broke the world record in the heats with a time of 3:55:202, beating their Russian opponents comfortably to go through to the final ride-off for silver and gold.[5] The following day, on their way to winning the gold medal, the British Team pursuit broke their own world record in a time of 3:53:314, beating their Danish competitors by 6.7 seconds.[6] Wiggins paired up with Mark Cavendish but finished eighth.

The statement "Wiggens paired up with Mark Cavendish but finished eighth" has no antecedent. Clearly it does not refer to the team pursuit event, which is a four man event in which he won gold. Almost undoubtedly it refers to the Madison event, a two man team event, so it probably should read something like "Wiggens also partnered with Mark Cavendish in the Madison event in which they garnered an eighth place finish." Acerbas (talk) 18:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Palmarès

As this is an English language article, I think it would make more sense to list the title of this section as "Career Achievements" or something similar. This is how the same information is listed on Mark Cavendish and Thor Hushovd's pages. 170.141.177.66 (talk) 13:46, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

I'd say Palmarès is an acceptable word in English to describe a cycling career results list, the way that peoloton is also now an English langauge word. --Pretty Green (talk) 19:15, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Mind you, it's not in the dictionary... well it could be changed I suppose. --Pretty Green (talk) 19:17, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree - "palmarès" is not an English word so should be replaced by one which is.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:40, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Palmares is used in the English language but rarely by people who don't know too much about the sport. Severo^TC 09:04, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Quotations

I have removed the Quotations section. Mainly because there is no specific point to this section other than rants towards a subject at the time. For instance what does Big Brother have in relevance to this article. Also the last quote is rather inappropriate. Edinburgh Wanderer 22:49, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Medals table in infobox

I think the chronology is all messed up. Shouldn't they be listed by class and year?? Manchester came after Stuttgart for instance in the World Championships. 109.150.46.16 (talk) 16:03, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Colour comes before year. There's a couple out of place. Severo^TC 16:07, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Note that road and track cycling are separate sports and should be treated as such in this list. --Pretty Green (talk) 16:20, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Timeliness

BaldBoris, the wikiaudience will still give you attention if you wait until the olympics are aired on television around the world before you give the results. how about thinking a little when it comes to publishing sports results before the events have been broadcast. Mr etler (talk) 16:53, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

WP:Wikipedia is not censored, Wikipedia contains spoilers, and Wikipedia is not responsible for checking the broadcasting schedules of the world. In other words, don't go onto Wikipedia if you don't want to know a sports result. --Pretty Green (talk) 17:41, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and Use Wikipedia at your own risk!. --Pretty Green (talk) 17:45, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

I say NICE ONE, BaldBoris, for getting the results on here before other places! In fact, during the Olympics the Wiki medal table (2012_Summer_Olympics_medal_table) has often been more up-to-date than even the official table. That's Wikipedia at its best. 86.171.205.70 (talk) 06:57, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

New image?

Given his recent Olympic success, it would be cool to see a new image for wiggo on his page. I mean the current one doesn't even have his trademark sidebrns lol

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— Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.215.66.160 (talk) 01:43, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Simply put, well done at the olympics and TDF. With his recent pre-Tour success, there was no doubt he could do it, but he did it without much Tour pedigree. The previous fourth place finish is good, but one would expect more of a winner. Doesn't really matter as all that does matter is what you do on this year's tour and this includes all stages and all time trials. You don't need to win any stage, but rather just come in better than the top competitors on each day. Great formula and the only one to come close to him was his own teamate. Aganin, well done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.139.67.70 (talk) 15:25, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Agree about the sideburns image, and it should also be put in the gallery on the Sideburns page which currently has just one living sideburn-wearing gentleman. 87.112.181.220 (talk) 21:47, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 October 2012

Wiggins has been promoted to third place in the 2009 Tour de France following Lance Armstrong's disqualification: [1], [2]. Can his palmares and the text be changed accodingly? 90.195.129.15 (talk) 09:59, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

 Done -Nathan Johnson (talk) 22:05, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Image for his Olympic Time Trial Win

Current image

Proposed new image

I noticed that the image we're currently using for the Olympics Time Trial, while superficially not a bad image, is actually really very blurry when viewed in detail. I took a number of high quality images of him during the race and think they're substantially better than this one, but given I'm biased, I figured I would confirm here before replacing the image. Comments? Ðiliff «» (Talk) 18:25, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

As it's being used as a thumbnail the quality issue doesn't really matter. The current image captures the atmosphere of the race, rather than just a man on a bike. Not worth losing that for the sake of a higher quality one. BaldBoris 18:46, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

It isn't being used as a thumbnail any more than any other photo on Wikipedia is being used as a thumbnail. All photos are clickable, and when clicked, any flaws often become very visible such as in this case. It's silly and short-sighted to consider photos only by their thumbnail IMO. Ðiliff «» (Talk)

Both pictures look fine at screen size as well as thumbnail. It is only when looking at the 100% version you see Diliff's is considerably less blurred, though it isn't exactly pin sharp either. However, the proposed one lacks the atmosphere of the cheering crowd (as BaldBoris notes), has a tight vertical crop, and looks quite static. So, I'm afraid, Diliff, I prefer the current one for the article. Have you got any others to consider? -- Colin°^Talk 09:31, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Copy edit, November 2012

• The article was inconsistent on the use or otherwise of Oxford commas. I've gone without them. Hope that's OK. --Stfg (talk) 16:38, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
• 2007: "... and Wiggins and his team mates were led away from the Tour by police.[26]" was not in the source. Shuffled to FN27 and replaced with what that says. --Stfg (talk) 16:38, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
• 2012 (end of 2nd paragraph): "His final stage victory was also good enough to give him the points classification ahead of Alejandro Valverde.[93]" This is a bit jargony (I don't know what the points classification is). Is there something to wikilink to? I don't think the source (currently FN93) verifies the statement, but cannot be sure without more explanation. --Stfg (talk) 13:09, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

The points classification is the award that sprinters aim to win (e.g. Mark Cavendish). So it was an unexpected win for Wiggins. Not particularly notable so could be removed. BaldBoris 14:50, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

• 2012 (5th paragraph): "Wiggins began the Tour with second place in the prologue, behind Fabian Cancellara but taking time from all of his general classification rivals,[101]". I want to delete the words "but taking time from all of his general classification rivals" for the following reasons: (a) since the prologue is the first stage, the general classification at that stage is the same as the results of the stage, therefore those words are redundant; (b) since he came second, it's obvious that he would have taken time from everyone except the guy who came first. Am I missing anything? --Stfg (talk) 13:59, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Cancellara is a time trial specialist so never figures in the general classification, unlike Wiggins who can also ride up the hills/mountains with the general classification contenders who may not be as good at the time trial. BaldBoris 15:02, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

To play devil's advocate, I could mention that Cancellara figured in the general classification when he won the prologue. My point really is that the fact that Wiggins came second already tells us all we need to know about who he took time from and who he didn't, and these words are in the nature of editorialising about Cancellara's prospects. I'm sure you're right, but after all, surprises do happen (as you mentioned above). --Stfg (talk) 16:07, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

• 2012: "hinted he may return to track cycling at the Six Days of Ghent in November.[124]" -- needs bringing up to date. --Stfg (talk) 15:20, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Removed it as it didn't happen, probably due to his crash. BaldBoris 16:56, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

• Personal life: "His favourite musician is Paul Weller." Removed. The source doesn't say that, and it would be subject to change at a moment's notice anyway. --Stfg (talk) 17:28, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Wiggins talks about his music here, he said "As for Paul Weller, I love the guy as a musician, I’m really taken by his music, but it’s a mistake to say, as some people have, that I idolise him.". They recorded an interview together for the BBC earlier this month so there's something that could be mentioned. BaldBoris 17:45, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Please do, but statement and source need to correspond. People's favourite musicians change at the drop of a hat anyway, so it's probably just recentism. --Stfg (talk) 18:17, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

• Personal life: The list of Gary's sins is WP:COPYPASTEd from the source. I've reduced it to a phrase. It must not be restored in its copyvio form. --Stfg (talk) 18:17, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
• Personal life: "Wiggins launched the Wiggo Foundation in May 2012, which aims to promote participation in sport and encourage people to exercise on a regular basis.[148] Wiggins named the foundation after his nickname, garnered from fans and the media, "Wiggo", frequently paired with the RAF roundel.[149]" Lots of problems here. FN148 doesn't mention May. The source calls it the Bradley Wiggins Foundation, not the Wiggo Foundation. The aims were copy-pasted. (If the foundation has a web site, it would be better to direct-quote from there.) FN 149 (this) didn't support any of what was cited to it, so I'm just deleting that. --Stfg (talk) 18:17, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
• General: The article is severely WP:OVERLINKed, a problem I've only partly been able to tackle. The main problem is that every stage of every event has been linked separately, even though often around 10 such stages are actually covered in the same target article. The page looks blotchy blue-black. Some way of fixing this needs to be thought of. --Stfg (talk) 09:46, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Bradley Wiggins/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: GAtechnical (talk · contribs) 23:27, 20 February 2013 (UTC) I Shall review in the morning. GAtechnical (talk) 23:27, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry! tomorrow first thing. GAtechnical (talk) 21:18, 21 February 2013 (UTC) GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   Couple of bits needing clarity. Couple of things needing tidying up, I'll comment below.

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

   the sentence: after disappointing results at the 2002 Track World Championships in Copenhagen, together with his road career in France going nowhere. Bit subjective that, who judge that. And there are a couple of other examples of this type of wording

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. Has an appropriate reference section:

   B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:

   couple of claims that really should have a ref, particually in the 2012 section. But there are others

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Prose and refs improvements

• No mention what so ever of Wiggins funding a women's team. More details to come. GAtechnical (talk) 22:43, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

 Done I've added it to the personal life section. BaldBoris 16:23, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Lead

• Think you can expand on his track golds. E.g. what disipline did he win titles in and how many times. With the Olympics I think only the Golds are notable for the lead.

 Done BaldBoris 19:51, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

• (later promoted to third after Lance Armstrong's results were voided in 2012). Think annulled maybe a better term than voided. Certainly reads better to me.

 Done BaldBoris 19:51, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

• Think the road WC silver needs to go. The guy has so many wins etc I don't think anything less than that should be in the lead. Although I concur that the Vuelta should stay since there are only 3 Grand Tours. The repeat mention of the Olympic Gold needs to go, just say what discipline it was achieved the first time you mention it or scrub the gold from the first location and have that as a track paragraph then adding it here would make sense as its a road paragraph. Also TDF should go in that paragraph and how about two time winner of the Critérium du Dauphiné or words to that effect whilst keeping the point that it was his first "major win" so you don't have to write it twice?

 Done I've removed the text about his records as it's in the World records and other achievements section. BaldBoris 14:22, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

• "nominated for the 2013 Laureus World Sports Award for Sportsman of the Year." Really do we need this nomination in the lead. Mean he is only nominated he hasn't won it. And TBH should imo win it but until he does I think it's best not in the lead.

 Done BaldBoris 19:51, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

• Infobox the Athens and Stuttgart bronze. The city should be linked imo, once per a colour.

 Done BaldBoris 19:51, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Early life

• "Dibdin House estate." Should it not be housing estate? All sources for that are books.

It's called Dibdin House. I've restored the book link, in which it's described as "working-class flats". BaldBoris 14:33, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

• "He discovered cycling when his mother told him to watch the television showing the individual pursuit final of the 1992 Summer Olympics in Barcelona, which Briton Chris Boardman won, explaining that it was one the events his father had been successful at and the blue riband event of track cycling." Very long sentence, is there any way that you can chunk it down or use a ;

 Done Added a ;. Please check if it was used correctly. BaldBoris 18:16, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Perfect use of the semi colon. breaks it up nicely. GAtechnical (talk) 22:50, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

• "A312 dual carriageway in Hayes, west London." A312 needs linking as its A312 road and Hayes needs linking which is under Hayes, Hillingdon

 Done BaldBoris 15:09, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

• Does it say anywhere how he did in the London games?

Could only find out that he won a gold when he was 15, in this YouTube video. BaldBoris 15:45, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Shame leave it out then GAtechnical (talk) 22:50, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

• "In 1996, aged sixteen, he won the 1 km time trial at the British Championships at Saffron Lane sports centre in Leicester, and was invited by British selectors to train at weekends at Manchester Velodrome." Bit confused here. Was it the senior national champs or was it an aged group title as it A) seems strange that a 16 year old wins a senior title and B) that the senior champ (if it is) was not held in Manchester which was opened in 94'

 Done It was junior, also added his other titles. BaldBoris 23:16, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

• Think with the Commonwealths you can link race pages if they exist.

The pages don't exist. BaldBoris 16:08, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

OK then, worth asking with the amount of people creating pages for individual races GAtechnical (talk) 22:50, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Personal life

• "he has a younger half-brother, Ryan, from his mother and her new partner Brendan, who split up when Bradley was in his late teens. He also has two half-sisters from relationships his father had in Australia before and after the one with his mother. Wiggins endured a difficult relationship with his father Gary, who made no effort to contact Bradley for 14 years, since leaving the family when Bradley was two years old.[209] Bradley only knew his father had been a professional cyclist. Their first meeting was in 1999, when Bradley was at a training camp in Australia. They next met the following year, when Bradley was back in Australia training and had gone out three weeks in advance to stay with Gary. Bradley quickly became disillusioned at his father's alcohol and drug problems, and they never met again. Gary Wiggins died in Aberdeen, New South Wales in 2008, aged 55." Makes no sense to me. It needs to go into early life OR you need to reintroduce his family as you have his career in between and as a reader I've forgotten by the time I arrive here. But personally I think it works better in the other section but it's up to you if you can't make it work.

 Done I've moved the text about his brother into early life and the text about his sisters into the paragraph about his Dad. BaldBoris 00:10, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Works well. GAtechnical (talk) 22:50, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

• "He is a keen musician and guitarist and in December 2012 he made a surprise appearance at a Paul Weller charity concert, playing guitar on That's Entertainment." Opportunity to mention the radio show they did together here.

 Done BaldBoris 19:52, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

• Also from reading though the Cavendish fall out from 08' maybe better suited here as really has not a lot to do with A)Wiggins or B)cycling or his career.

 Done Removed from article, as it's not really notable. BaldBoris 16:06, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

• Now don't know if you feel this needs to be separate (and if you do, complete this section after GA, it won't change my mind) Wiggins anti doping stance should be mentioned. But as I say I don't know if it's appropriate here.

I don't think there's a need for it. BaldBoris 16:14, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

• "In a period after the 2004 Olympics, Wiggins started to drink heavily, struggling to cope with his new-found fame. In a 2012 interview he said that he would arrive at his local pub when it opened, often staying to drink 12 pints of beer. He said this ended when his son Ben was born, explaining: "We had a baby. So then it was a case of, well, I've got to earn some fucking money and the responsibility takes over."" Feel this would be better in his personal life as this is not the only occasion where he has struggled with fame. When he came out of hospital in 2012 is another example. Also can you help me here, what is Wikipedia's policy on swearing. Do we censor or not?

No thank God WP:CENSOR. BaldBoris 23:21, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

 Done Moved those bits to personal life. BaldBoris 19:59, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Career

2001-03

• "He made his Grand Tour debut at the 2003 Giro d'Italia, finishing outside the time limit on stage 18." Just for non cycling nuts it's probably better to say he was eliminated from the race when he finished out side of the time limit.

 Done BaldBoris 02:42, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

2004

• "He went on to win silver in the team pursuit and bronze in the madison with Rob Hayles." From my experience you can't put a reference in the middle of the sentence without it being next to a bit of punctuation.

 Done BaldBoris 03:14, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

• The Boardman quote seems a little out of place imo. Maybe better to pop it in the next section where he declares intention or around 08/09 point.

I think it tells us that he showed potential for success on the road and why the next year focused on his road career. It needs to be in that section because that's when it was said. BaldBoris 10:10, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

2005-2007

• He moved to Cofidis for the 2006 season[68] and was selected to ride in the 2006 Tour de France for the first time in his career, finishing in 124th place." Again as the bit in 04 punctuation and is there anything else to add, as one sentence is slightly out of keep.

 Done I've added some more on 2005. BaldBoris 03:05, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

• "In 2007 Wiggins returned to the track for the 2007 Track World Championships in Palma, Majorca, winning the individual pursuit and team pursuit, helping Great Britain dominate the medal table with seven golds. On the road he won the prologues of the Four Days of Dunkirk and 2007 Critérium du Dauphiné Libéré, before competing in the 2007 Tour de France and finishing fourth in the 7.9 km (5 mi) prologue in London. He won the combativity award on the sixth stage for a long solo breakaway on the 40th anniversary of British rider Tom Simpson's death in the 1967 Tour de France. Cofidis withdrew from the race before stage 16 after their Italian rider Cristian Moreni failed a doping test. Wiggins and his team-mates were interviewed by police. In the aftermath of the positive drug tests on Moreni and on race leader Alexander Vinokourov of Astana, Wiggins spoke out against dopers in the tour and threw away his Cofidis kit in a bin in Pau Pyrénées Airport, vowing never to race for the team again." Take out the GB line. Make both paragraphs one and link it with Back on the road... Also remove their Italian rider. With the threw the kit in the bin comment either use his guardian blog rather than velonation (velonation seemed rather bloggy to me) or any other reliable source such as this.

 Done BaldBoris 03:56, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

I've added some more on the 2007 World Championships and his breakaway in the Tour. BaldBoris 23:23, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

• "In August he won the stage 4 time trial of the Tour du Poitou-Charentes[85] and in September, with team-mate Michiel Elijzen, won the Duo Normand, a 53.4 km (33.2 mi) two-man team time trial. His season on the road ended with a tenth place in the time trial at the 2007 Road World Championships in Stuttgart, 2' 10" behind winner Cancellara of Switzerland; a result he was disappointed with, after hoping to finish on the podium." Due to to the previous chuck kit in bin comment, I think it's a good idea to state who he is riding for in these events.

 Done BaldBoris 14:16, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

2008

• "the heats with a time of 3:55.202, beating Russia to the ride-off for silver and gold." But uneasy about 'beating Russia to the ride-off' as you could come second and still make the final. From reading the article, semi final maybe a better phrase to use.

 Done BaldBoris 16:55, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

• Could maybe expand the madison races a little bit.

 Done BaldBoris 16:55, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

2009

• "Wiggins arrived at the Tour de France having lost 6 kilograms." Ok and many in the media dubbed him twiggo. Could be worth mentioning

 Done BaldBoris 02:11, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

• "Wiggins had been contracted to ride for Garmin Slipstream again in 2010, but it was announced in December 2009 that he was to leave to join Team Sky, having signed a four-year contract with the new British team." Bit of a chicken or egg question. 2010 section anyone?

I've left it there because it happened in 2009. BaldBoris 19:15, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

2010

• "After the Tour de France Wiggins took a break from cycling, deciding not to compete at the 2010 Road World Championships in Australia and the 2010 Commonwealth Games in Delhi." In the overall scheme of things I don't see why this is mentioned. In his biography fine but for wiki I think not.

 Done BaldBoris 19:11, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

2011

• Sky employed a triathlon coach to train the guys and he suggested the shorter stuff and less racing more training. Think that his name needs to be credited.

If you mean Shaun Stephens, he was appointed in November 2012. Source BaldBoris 02:31, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

• "In March he finished second on stage 3's time trial of the 2011 Critérium International, four seconds down on Klöden." Per MOS Stage 3's needs to be written in words (all numbers under 10) and on several other occasions in this section

Do you mean every instance of stage (number) or just ones with 's? BaldBoris 19:03, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Every time you right a number that is 10 or less numerically, which you do quiet a few times in this section, should be written with words as per MOS

 Done BaldBoris 23:36, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

• "On 26 June Wiggins won the British National Road Race Championships in Northumberland, his final race before the 2011 Tour de France." The last part of that sentence is OR. IMO Wiki should highlight results and go into detail of the big results little things like that don't really matter so much.

 Done I've removed it. BaldBoris 19:20, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

2012

• "In 2012 Wiggins continued to focus on road racing." The individual pursuit is no longer an Olympic event, and in December 2011 coach. Judging by the amount that the UCI having pissing about with I think saying at the time the individual pursuit was no longer an Olympic event may serve better in the long run.

 Done BaldBoris 14:48, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

• "In March Wiggins finished second in the opening time trial of the 2012 Paris–Nice, despite setting his time in wet conditions. The following day he took the lead in the race after being part of a 30-man breakaway as the peloton split into echelons. He held the lead for the rest of the event, winning the final stage, a time-trial on the Col d'Èze, to win the race by eight seconds overall and become the first British rider to win the race since Simpson in 1967. His final stage victory was also good enough to give him the points classification." Did it dry out then? IF not don't see the point of adding wet conditions if it was the same for everyone. Also Simpson, I would pop his first name in and link him as he hasn't been mentioned since 2007.

 Done BaldBoris 14:48, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

• "On stage 1 of the 2012 Tour de Romandie in April." Write first stage or stage one to comply with MOS

 Done BaldBoris 23:37, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

• "Wiggins began defending his 2012 Critérium du Dauphiné title in June with a second place finish in the prologue." How can he do that?

 Done BaldBoris 00:51, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

• Ref for leading all the GT's stats.

 Done BaldBoris 23:45, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

• "Froome had appeared to put Wiggins into difficulty at one point, and was ordered to wait for his leader. For his efforts in assisting Wiggins, Froome was lauded in the media as a super-domestique," Full stop on a comma at the end. You go into great detail about stage 14 you could expand this incident a little bit by saying about the communication etc since it was the biggest talking point of the tour

 Done BaldBoris 15:40, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

• Stage 18 should be mentioned as Wiggins effectively won the tour and dropped Nibali on the final climb the only time he did so and some more interesting team mate stuff, as Wiggo told Froome to go indirect contrast to earlier in the race.

 Done I think you mean stage 17, which I've added. BaldBoris 15:31, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

• "Wiggins rang the bell to start the opening ceremony at the 2012 Summer Olympics." Career? Really? Personal life would be better or where you have the awards at the end of 2012 as lets be honest only got to do that because of the TDF.

 Done BaldBoris 01:30, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

• BTW he didn't win the world sportsman of the year. But you may wish to put it in as being nominated is still and incredible achievement considering how many athletes there are.

 Done BaldBoris 11:11, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Everything appears to have been addressed, and the review appears very much comprehensive, so I'm going to close this and pass the article. Wizardman 21:28, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Congrats on this milestone in the progress of the article.joepa^T 04:41, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Sir ?

Why is he a Sir when he is "only" a CBE ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.49.47.150 (talk) 20:37, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Because he is a Knight Bachelor.--Racklever (talk) 22:53, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.49.47.150 (talk) 00:04, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

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Doping allegations

The edit summary is too small to fully explain myself, so let me clarify that I'm obviously not arguing that Armstrong is innocent. In fact it's precisely because he's guilty that we must be very careful including anything which effectively says "Wiggins is doing the same things as Armstrong". – Smyth\^talk 10:38, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Agreed. Wiggins had permission from a panel of three doctors to use the medication. We are not meant to put forward our own opinions about this decision. Any discussion of doping or comparison to dopers clearly violates the BLP policy.--Racklever (talk) 13:07, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

It seems to be common cause that Wiggins used banned performance-enhancing steroids on a number of occasions. The difference is that Wiggins won a number of high-profile events while using banned performance-enhancing steroids with official permission, while Armstrong won a number of high-profile events while using banned performance-enhancing steroids without official permission. Chalk and cheese. How difficult could it be to explain this clearly to the readers? Wdford (talk) 15:42, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

The idea is quite simple. Saying "Wiggins used banned performance-enhancing steroids" is incorrect. He had a TUE so the drugs he took were not banned. Mentioning Armstrong just seems to be the cycling equivalent of Godwin's Law. --Racklever (talk) 16:01, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

So would it then be acceptable to you to say that "On a number of occasions, Wiggins obtained permission through a TUE to use performance-enhancing steroids which are ordinarily banned by WADA"?

Re Godwin's Law, that article itself states that: "Godwin's law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate." Wdford (talk) 17:11, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Wdford: very similar wording is already in the article, and I'm fine with that.

We shouldn't refer to "steroids" without further qualification. The majority of readers will assume that means anabolic steroids, which is not the case. Corticosteroids are restricted for a completely different reason: because they allow a competitor to prevent what would otherwise be unbearable inflammation caused by pushing their body beyond its limits. – Smyth\^talk 18:00, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Wdford, can I ask you if you are interested in cycling or do you just like to fuel controversy? This is an encyclopedia, not a place for anti-sentiment tones. I'm sure there are plenty of websites out there that you can discuss this to your heart's content. If someone's actually interested in this I'm sure Wikipedia would be the last place they'd go to. BaldBoris 21:57, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Actually, if someone's interested in this I'm sure Wikipedia would be the FIRST place they'd go to for proper info on the issue. Following the huge publicity of the recent Rio Olympics, where hundreds of Russians were banned even though they never tested positive ever, the fact that some British athletes have repeatedly been given PERMISSION to use banned performance-enhancing substances is quite notable. This is particularly the case with cycling - a sport which has been much plagued by doping. Wikipedia rules require that we report the facts neutrally and without bias either way. Wdford (talk) 08:21, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

For a recent story that involves strong opinions you'd go to a website that anyone and everyone can edit to look for facts? OK. As for the middle, please read WP:NOTFORUM. I think you're clearly showing bias with you choice of words and links with LA. If you think you aren't, I wouldn't like to see what you really want to write. BaldBoris 09:37, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

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HoC committee report

This article gives a lot of prominence to the findings of the House of Commons Committee regarding alleged performance enhancing use of TUEs. I just wanted to point out that these findings have since been challenged.

In my view a reference link to the following study should be added for balance.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/olympics/tues-dont-help-you-win-an-olympic-medal-according-to-anti-doping-study-456411 Firestar47 (talk) 15:30, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Your link is WP:OR. The linked article makes it clear that Wiggins had lots of TUE injections, and thereafter won lots of races. The only link in this article between Wiggins, TUE's and the Olympics is a mention that Wiggins used TUE's to win the 2012 Tour de France, and then won the London 2012 Olympic time trial straight afterwards. That is already included.

What happens in the Olympics is a different thing to cycling, and there are many forms of TUE and many forms of Olympic sport - and different TUE's will not always be "useful" in particular sports. For example, using triamcinolone is a big aid in cycling, but would be useless in target shooting.

What the article perhaps should have investigated is the ridiculously large number of professional cyclists who have asthma, and who win using TUE's - that would have been a very revealing statistic. Instead Lord Coe protects asthmatic British cyclists using TUE's to win, and instead points fingers at Russian athletes who have never failed a test in their lives, in order to "punish" their country. Wdford (talk) 15:59, 19 February 2022 (UTC)