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2nd Largest country in Europe?

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The claim in the introduction is that Ukraine is the second largest country in Europe after only Russia. This page lists its total area as 603,000 km², which is a figure including all occupied territories. The Wikipedia page for France gives it an area of 643,000 km². If occupied territories are excluded this may fall behind Spain and Sweden too but it's consistent to use internationally recognized borders. I think the claim should either be revised to 3rd or removed altogether as it doesn't seem important enough to state in the introduction. 75.252.22.168 (talk) 17:31, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ukraine country profile - BBC News Europe's second largest country. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 17:33, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please see List of European countries by area. I believe only the area in Europe is counted for size in Europe. Peaceray (talk) 19:33, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That is how this specific trivia item is calculated. I have also seen "largest country entirely in Europe". Not sure what either might inform the reader more than the raw area and the map does. CMD (talk) 03:51, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why don't we just state that it is the largest country located entirely in Europe? This is clear and undisputed. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 06:37, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Because it's a specifically convoluted trivia item that mixes geographies with cultural conceptions to say very little. CMD (talk) 13:41, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see how that objection applies to my phrasing and not to what is already in the article. Either take it out or phrase it clearly. The status quo is just poorly written. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 14:19, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It applies to both phrasings, and most other specific rank records. CMD (talk) 14:35, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That area for France includes all of France's overseas territories. Metropolitan France (the part that's actually in Europe) is listed as having a land area of 543,940 km², which is clearly smaller than Ukraine. "2nd largest in Europe" is correct if nations' territory outside of Europe is excluded. The European portion of Russia is the largest, followed by Ukraine. — Red XIV (talk) 01:54, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I contend that "second largest country in Europe after only Russia" is still not clear. It could easily be misinterpreted as "second largest country with European territory" instead of the intended "second largest country by area counting only European territory". Using the first interpretation, the relevant country would be Kazakhstan. Again, just make it simple and indisputable: Ukraine is the largest country whose territory lies entirely within the European continent. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 13:17, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
um no, Russia is the still the biggest country in Europe, even if you exclude Siberia Undashing (talk) 05:30, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Where does Khajida assert that Russia isn't the largest country in Europe? 80.193.98.150 (talk) 11:32, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Sir/Madam
I think Ukraine IS the largest country in Europe as I do not include Russia; for, in addition to her not existng in the EU her main part is in Asia. Therefore, Ukraine is first in size on that continent,i one considers the occupied territories as a part, which I do.
Cheers, and GLORY TO UKRAINE! Mili Loves Ukraine (talk) 14:20, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
EU membership has nothing to do with anything, the EU doesn't define what the continent of Europe is. Imagine making the same remark in 1950 when there was no such thing as the EU or in 1953 when only six countries were members. And Russia's part that's in Europe is in Europe. Largoplazo (talk) 11:41, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Largoplazo: Thank you for the clarification
Mili Loves Ukraine Mili Loves Ukraine (talk) 14:15, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Handled it with a footnote stating that this figure only counts European territories. Terrariola 10:47, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Terrariola!! From a… see my Username. Mili Loves Ukraine (talk) 13:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Languages of Ukraine

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In the "Language" section, there is no mention of the Romanian language. Hungarian is mentioned there, but Romanian is missing, although it has twice as many speakers. Romanian is the most spoken language in Ukraine after Ukrainian and Russian. Since the article is closed to new editors, it would be nice if someone could add it. 2A02:2454:62A:B200:F4CC:76FE:FF22:C9B5 (talk) 10:45, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a reliable source for that please? Chidgk1 (talk) 18:14, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 November 2024

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Can you add a romanization in the infobox add Ukraina in the infobox Depotadore (talk) 06:08, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done Please use the form "please change X to Y". Rsk6400 (talk) 06:10, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 14:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]